All About UFO's

[sam_adams]

I do not think she is willingly participating in a dissinformation campaign. It appears to me that she truly believes what she said.

I had compiled a list of the members of the UAP committee a while back—I didn't save it and don't have the links anymore—and it was interesting that all the R-affiliated members of said committee were also well-documented conspiracy theorists/believers. So the committee is properly staffed for the task.

 

[sonitus mirus]

In my opinion, Avi Loeb’s ideas are drifting (no pun intended) into stuff that just doesn’t feel grounded in science. I’m at the point where I don’t trust much of what he’s putting out, and I wonder if money or some other motive is behind it. Same goes for big pharma, as a point of perspective about my views. I think they’ve got more pull than most people realize when it comes to college research, the way products are marketed, and even how governments shape policies and run elections, not just here in the U.S. but in other countries too.

 

[Andysu]

Having personally witnessed the launch of one of the later Saturn V moon rockets from as close as I could get to it, I'd have to rate it as a most excellent fake.

i no doubt that . having myself witnessed the space shuttle on the tour bus feb 1981 , only can see tip of ext , and part of the wings as they had it covered up prep for few days later , clearwater tampa bay , saw the live tv of the engine test before its april launch ( of course i was 100% believer then )
the tour inside one of the buildings demonstrating a blow-touch heating one of the thermal tiles and someone holding it in there hand , with the lights turned down can see an orange heat , very impressive usually your fingers would be blistered

saw one of apollo saturn v laid outside ( like everyone else saw it ) in sections outside near the VAB , misplaced 16mm pictures i took

 

[antcollinet]

i no doubt that . having myself witnessed the space shuttle on the tour bus feb 1981 , only can see tip of ext , and part of the wings as they had it covered up prep for few days later , clearwater tampa bay , saw the live tv of the engine test before its april launch ( of course i was 100% believer then )
the tour inside one of the buildings demonstrating a blow-touch heating one of the thermal tiles and someone holding it in there hand , with the lights turned down can see an orange heat , very impressive usually your fingers would be blistered

saw one of apollo saturn v laid outside ( like everyone else saw it ) in sections outside near the VAB , misplaced 16mm pictures i took

Again - you are off topic here. Take it to a different thread. Where we can lambast you as being a conspiracy theorist tin foil hat type.

 

[Audiofire]

What’s really going on with UAPs? Neil deGrasse Tyson and co-host Paul Mecurio get to the bottom of identifying the unidentifiable with Jon Kosloski, Director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO).

Why the switch from “UFO” to “UAP”? John explains the rebranding and how public interpretation shaped the language. They begin with John’s background in electrical engineering, quantum optics, and a “love-hate” relationship with the NSA. They break down how anomalies are detected, from doorbell cameras to advanced electromagnetic sensors, and the challenge of relying on low-quality footage and human observation. Can machine learning and better cameras help? Will there be an app for citizen reporting?

They explore the data pipeline: how AARO collects, verifies, and investigates reports, including the role of AI-generated fakes, confirmation bias, and false positives like Venus over Brooklyn. With 98% of cases explained and 2% still mysterious, Kosloski shares insights on working with law enforcement, geographic bias, sensor kits, and what defines a “hot spot.”

What makes something “classified”? We break down specific sightings like GoFast or the Mount Etna Object. From fighter jet footage to birthday party mishaps, Starlink flares to flying dolphins, this episode takes us deep into how science, skepticism, and sensor tech unravel the unknown–no alien abduction stories required.

 

[terryforsythe]

I had compiled a list of the members of the UAP committee a while back—I didn't save it and don't have the links anymore—and it was interesting that all the R-affiliated members of said committee were also well-documented conspiracy theorists/believers. So the committee is properly staffed for the task.

Conspriacies sometimes happen, which is why in the U.S. there are both federal and state statutes addressing those crimes.

As an example of a conspiracy committed by the CIA, look into operation Midnight Climax, a sub-operation of operation MKUltra. The testomonies provided in the recent Congressional hearing on the JFK assassination also are interesting, as well as the Tuskegee Syphilis Study.

 

[WillBrink]

Given the things the highest official regularly spouts, I would not value this very highly.

The relevant part is, she's not an outsider but a current high level gubment employee.

Conspriacies sometimes happen, which is why in the U.S. there are both federal and state statutes addressing those crimes.

As an example of a conspiracy committed by the CIA, look into operation Midnight Climax, a sub-operation of operation MKUltra. The testomonies provided in the recent Congressional hearing on the JFK assassination also are interesting, as well as the Tuskegee Syphilis Study.

It's a conspiracy theory until it's not, and recent events have demonstrated that in spades. Obviously some people are more prone to be open minded about it than others, some so open their brain falls out... Regardless, at this point in my 60 years on the planet, I due things you listed and a loooooooooooong list of others, I try not to dismiss out of hand what's labelled a conspiracy theory without doing any due diligence on it, similar to what so many have done in this thread with UFO/UAP.

There has been 100% confirmed long term campaign by the gubment to destroy the career of anyone who even hints at the need for serious investigation/research on UFO/UAP for at least 80 years, and that alone makes it a must to investigation/research the topic in a new culture that simply does not follow the old rules of suppression of information, for better or worse. The "we are with the government and no best, it's for your own good" mantra, no longer works for modern culture.

Whether it's all a massively elaborate scheme to protect top secret black projects, or to keep evidence of NHI away from us, or a combination of both, it seems the wall O silence is showing some serious cracks. Will it burst in our life time?

 

[terryforsythe]

Another conspiracy with which most people in the U.S. should be familar, which I forget to mention, is the Watergate scandal.

 

[Taiga]

Three things in this interview stuck out for me:

1) The government classifies UAP information not because they want the information to be kept secret, but to protect the technology that collected the information, whether or not the information actually reveals anything.
2) The observations of fighter pilots and other military officials are no more reliable than those from the old lady with twelve cats living in the house up the street.
3) Congress allocated a bunch of money for a program that has well paid people sifting through unlimited mounds of useless reports looking for a needle in the haystack. Tyson correctly points out that the amateur astronomer community already does a much better job at this for free. It is just one example of getting more bang for the buck without all of the fanfare that many politicians seem to crave. We have politicians telling their constituents that certain ethnic space lasers cause forest fires, sinister electromagnetic fields collect our personal information, and vaccines contain insidious microchips.

 

[Axo1989]

The relevant part is, she's not an outsider but a current high level gubment employee.

Further evidence that government recently turned inside-out?

 

[Axo1989]

Three things in this interview stuck out for me:

1) The government classifies UAP information not because they want the information to be kept secret, but to protect the technology that collected the information, whether or not the information actually reveals anything.
2) The observations of fighter pilots and other military officials are no more reliable than those from the old lady with twelve cats living in the house up the street.
3) Congress allocated a bunch of money for a program that has well paid people sifting through unlimited mounds of useless reports looking for a needle in the haystack. Tyson correctly points out that the amateur astronomer community already does a much better job at this for free. It is just one example of getting more bang for the buck without all of the fanfare that many politicians seem to crave. We have politicians telling their constituents that certain ethnic space lasers cause forest fires, sinister electromagnetic fields collect our personal information, and vaccines contain insidious microchips.

Sounds quite sensible. Did Audiofire accidentally post the wrong video?

 

[solderdude]

With the absence of undeniable and public evidence from various independent sources with sharp images that are confirmed to be real (as in not Ai generated or faked in a conventional way) this whole UFO/UAP/USO business, just like in subjective audio, is basically nothing more than a belief that feels real to those that are interested in these phenomena.

Maybe, someday, it turns out to be real and finally undeniable, public evidence from various independent sources with sharp images that are confirmed to be real emerges.
Still... that may only apply to that specific case and not validate all other 'sightings'.

 

[Taiga]

With the absence of undeniable and public evidence from various independent sources with sharp images that are confirmed to be real (as in not Ai generated or faked in a conventional way) this whole UFO/UAP/USO business, just like in subjective audio, is basically nothing more than a belief that feels real to those that are interested in these phenomena.

Maybe, someday, it turns out to be real and finally undeniable, public evidence from various independent sources with sharp images that are confirmed to be real emerges.
Still... that may only apply to that specific case and not validate all other 'sightings'.

Yep. Some people seem to just want to believe the hype and denigrate those who seek verifiable evidence as closed minded. They fail to recognize or acknowledge that many people would be thrilled to be shown convincing evidence of ETs, but that what has been offered simply falls apart under honest scrutiny. If the data stood on their own, we would not need sensationalized videos that drag on painfully with inference and supposition while failing to provide verifiable evidence.

It is true that some phenomena and technologies thought to be impossible have eventually been shown to be supported by data, but it is also reasonable to presume that in the history of supposition and open thinking, far more ideas have simply faded away as unsupported. The expectation and insistence of supporting and reproducible data do not necessarily equate to being close minded. But they are useful for evaluating the integrity of poorly documented claims.

 

[Audiofire]

Sounds quite sensible. Did Audiofire accidentally post the wrong video?

Haha, I adapted to the demands

 

[PierreV]

In my opinion, Avi Loeb’s ideas are drifting (no pun intended) into stuff that just doesn’t feel grounded in science. I’m at the point where I don’t trust much of what he’s putting out, and I wonder if money or some other motive is behind it. Same goes for big pharma, as a point of perspective about my views. I think they’ve got more pull than most people realize when it comes to college research, the way products are marketed, and even how governments shape policies and run elections, not just here in the U.S. but in other countries too.

I think he enjoys being in the spotlight.

As far as being "scientific", some of his speculations definitely are not.

Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Jews

Tomorrow, I am scheduled for a public interview with the distinguished science journalist, Joshua Foer, on the topic: “Extraterrestrial…

avi-loeb.medium.com

Come to think of it, maybe if we ask kindly he will write a piece about extraterrestrial intelligence and hi-fi cables?

His math is always mostly correct (some of his equally talented and knowledgeable colleagues do not agree but that's normal scientific debate).

But the problem is, imho, the way he spins it. If we take, for example, what he describes as a very significant statistical anomaly in the timing of the trajectory of 3I in one of its recent papers, is actually not an anomaly because any combinations of orbital trajectory occurences would be equally improbable given the same set of constraints. He knows it, but he also knows that if he creates a scenario and hunts for "supporting evidence" what will be end up blasted all over the Internet is the scenario, not the fact that the math is cherry picked.

Still, imho, there is some value in considering the possibilities and approaching them in a somewhat rigorous way.

 

[terryforsythe]

Congress allocated a bunch of money for a program that has well paid people sifting through unlimited mounds of useless reports looking for a needle in the haystack.

Assuming we are not being visited by NHI, the more pressing issues are:

1) Where are the ~$20 trillion EDIT: ~$2 trillion missing from the pentagon over the last few decades?
2) Are there hidden special access programs hidden from elected governmental oversight, as numerous former high ranking officials have alleged, which is illegal?

Stated goals of the UAP task force include, inter alia, answers to those specific questions. Yes, money is being spent by the UAP task force, but it pales in comparison to the money that continues to go missing in the depths of the Pentagon and our elected government needs to get to the bottom of the above issues.

Now, if we are being visited by NHI, which I think is unlikely, and certain unelected government officials know about that, the facts behind that scenario also need to come out; in the U.S., enshrined in our democracy is government "of the people, by the people, for the people..." (Abraham Lincoln).

 

[WillBrink]

Assuming we are not being visited by NHI, the more pressing issues are:

1) Where are the ~$20 trillion missing from the pentagon over the last few decades?
2) Are there hidden special access programs hidden from elected governmental oversight, as numerous former high ranking officials have alleged, which is illegal?

Stated goals of the UAP task force include, inter alia, answers to those specific questions. Yes, money is being spent by the UAP task force, but it pales in comparison to the money that continues to go missing in the depths of the Pentagon and our elected government needs to get to the bottom of the above issues.

Now, if we are being visited by NHI, which I think is unlikely, and certain unelected government officials know about that, the facts behind that scenario also need to come out; in the U.S., enshrined in our democracy is government "of the people, by the people, for the people..." (Abraham Lincoln).

I get a much better impression and sense from new AARO director Jon Kosloski, than the guy he replaced, who no one trusted and for good reasons. Kosloski seems interested in getting answers by applying the scientific methods and developing more of them, and maybe the UAP/UFO community will work with him. End of the day, he still works for the DOD, who has spent much effort and time suppressing information and giving us "there's nothing to see here" position. So he has to earn the trust of those who (supposedly) have the information we want to see.

 

[PierreV]

1) Where are the ~$20 trillion missing from the pentagon over the last few decades?

Given that the US federal debt just topped $37 trillion are there really $20 trillion "missing" from a single government agency?

That seems a relatively large amount that has, as far as we can tell, very little apparent societal consequences.

The sum of the net worth of the 100 richest persons in the world is around $6 trillion currently.

 

[terryforsythe]

Given that the US federal debt just topped $37 trillion are there really $20 trillion "missing" from a single government agency?

That seems a relatively large amount that has, as far as we can tell, very little apparent societal consequences.

Oops, I shouldn't have added the zero. It is approximately $2 trillion in missing assets.

If $2 trillion has very little apparent societal consequences, then the extremely small amount, relatively speaking, being spent on the UAP investigation is utterly inconsequential.

Nonetheless, current projections are that 100% of collected federal tax revenue will go to pay for interest on the federal debt sometime between 2051 and 2054. I'll probably be dead by then, but I don't envy the future generations that are going to have to deal with that mess.

 

[Axo1989]

Oops, I shouldn't have added the zero. It is approximately $2 trillion in missing assets.

If $2 trillion has very little apparent societal consequences, then the extremely small amount, relatively speaking, being spent on the UAP investigation is utterly inconsequential.

Nonetheless, current projections are that 100% of collected federal tax revenue will go to pay for interest on the federal debt sometime between 2051 and 2054. I'll probably be dead by then, but I don't envy the future generations that are going to have to deal with that mess.

Adding a zero? That’s nothing, right?