All About UFO's

[mhardy6647]

Actually, speaking of scientific, and in seriousness -- are there any quantitative assessments of any of the UAPs which have been monitored by radar as to their velocity, acceleration, g-factors of maneuvers, etc.? Spectroscopic or radiological assessment to see if they are "emitting" anything? Ideally in the peer-reviewed literature?

 

[Mart68]

Actually, speaking of scientific, and in seriousness -- are there any quantitative assessments of any of the UAPs which have been monitored by radar as to their velocity, acceleration, g-factors of maneuvers, etc.? Spectroscopic or radiological assessment to see if they are "emitting" anything? Ideally in the peer-reviewed literature?

There is in Psychology - studying of people who believe they were abducted by aliens:

https://www.peertechzpublications.org/articles/APT-5-137.pdf

Abstract

Purpose: Starting from the classic definition of “alien abduction”, the present research, starting from the study published in 2020 on the proposed clinical classification of this particular phenomenon, is aimed at confirming the theoretical assumption of psychopathological origin.

Methods: Clinical interview, based on narrative-anamnestic and documentary evidence and the basis of the Perrotta Human Emotions Model (PHEM) concerning their emotional and perceptual-reactive experience, and administration of the battery of psychometric tests published in international scientific journals by the author of this work: 1) Perrotta Integrative Clinical Interviews (PICI-2), to investigate functional and dysfunctional personality traits; 2) Perrotta Individual Sexual Matrix Questionnaire (PSM-Q), to investigate the individual sexual matrix; 3) Perrotta Affective Dependence Questionnaire (PAD-Q), to investigate the profiles of affective and relational dependence; 4) Perrotta Human Defense Mechanisms Questionnaire (PDM-Q), to investigate the defence mechanisms of the Ego.

 

[mhardy6647]

There is in Psychology - studying of people who believe they were abducted by aliens:

https://www.peertechzpublications.org/articles/APT-5-137.pdf

Abstract

Purpose: Starting from the classic definition of “alien abduction”, the present research, starting from the study published in 2020 on the proposed clinical classification of this particular phenomenon, is aimed at confirming the theoretical assumption of psychopathological origin.

Methods: Clinical interview, based on narrative-anamnestic and documentary evidence and the basis of the Perrotta Human Emotions Model (PHEM) concerning their emotional and perceptual-reactive experience, and administration of the battery of psychometric tests published in international scientific journals by the author of this work: 1) Perrotta Integrative Clinical Interviews (PICI-2), to investigate functional and dysfunctional personality traits; 2) Perrotta Individual Sexual Matrix Questionnaire (PSM-Q), to investigate the individual sexual matrix; 3) Perrotta Affective Dependence Questionnaire (PAD-Q), to investigate the profiles of affective and relational dependence; 4) Perrotta Human Defense Mechanisms Questionnaire (PDM-Q), to investigate the defence mechanisms of the Ego.

Well, not quite what I was thinking of - but it "confirms the psychopathological nature of the alien abduction phenomenon" -- so, there's that.

 

[WillBrink]

Actually, speaking of scientific, and in seriousness -- are there any quantitative assessments of any of the UAPs which have been monitored by radar as to their velocity, acceleration, g-factors of maneuvers, etc.? Spectroscopic or radiological assessment to see if they are "emitting" anything? Ideally in the peer-reviewed literature?

I posted a ton of it in this thread:

" Kevin Knuth, Associate Professor of Physics at the University of Albany, examines the physics of UAP and the clues about their detection, monitoring, and engineering. Presented by Nolan Laboratory and the Stanford School of Medicine in November 2023 at Stanford University, the symposium convened an unparalleled meeting of leading voices from academia, government and industry to collectively drive forward a new academic legitimacy to UAP. The videos encompass the various talks from across the two-day event, addressing the science of UAP, the potential societal impact, and considering the necessary steps to enable responsible sharing of any information held on the topic. Their release reiterates the Foundation’s message of increased transparency and disclosure surrounding UAP information and regulation; a defining theme of the symposium."

 

[Mart68]

Well, not quite what I was thinking of - but it "confirms the psychopathological nature of the alien abduction phenomenon" -- so, there's that.

You wanted peer-reviewed - but wrong subject!. I'd be surprised if there was anything that's been peer-reviewed in Physics.

 

[WillBrink]

Actually, speaking of scientific, and in seriousness -- are there any quantitative assessments of any of the UAPs which have been monitored by radar as to their velocity, acceleration, g-factors of maneuvers, etc.? Spectroscopic or radiological assessment to see if they are "emitting" anything? Ideally in the peer-reviewed literature?

You may find interesting. The authors are not lightweights nor are the universities they work for. There premise is not terribly compelling to me, but their overall review of the phenomena, especially for those who may not follow the topic closely, is well done:

The Scientific Investigation of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) Using Multimodal Ground-Based Observatories​

Journal of Astronomical InstrumentationVol. 12, No. 01, 2340006 (2023)

Introduction​

Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP), also known as Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) and Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena, have captured the public’s imagination since the late 1940s but have so far attracted very little scientific interest. Since the high water mark of scientific attention in the late 1960s, the technologies required to monitor the sky and environment using every known measurement modality have been dramatically enhanced. The advent of digital cameras and inexpensive single board computers has revolutionized our ability to construct systems of sensors able to measure numerous properties of the atmosphere and of objects that pass through it. Recent advances in machine learning have produced powerful tools for characterizing “background” conditions and for detecting outlier events. In spite of this, the past 50 years have seen very few attempts by establishment scientists to design instrument systems for the express purpose of studying UAP. By contrast with most previous work on this topic, which has focused on the analysis of eyewitness reports or of observations recorded using instruments not specifically designed for scientific analysis, the present study will focus on collecting new data using calibrated instrumentation under well-understood conditions.

Cont:

https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/10.1142/S2251171723400068

 

[terryforsythe]

It's certainly the least scientific.

Here's some related science:

 

[solderdude]

It seems like current science can't explain everything that is 'observed'.
This is yet another thing audio has in common with UAP/UFO/USO.
It does not play by the rules of current knowledge.

 

[WillBrink]

It seems like current science can't explain everything that is 'observed'.
This is yet another thing audio has in common with UAP/UFO/USO.
It does not play by the rules of current knowledge.

Some are incapable of even getting to that reality, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, perhaps due to cognitive dissonance or something else. There's obvious parallels to audio that can be used to poke fun at both groups, mostly to avoid reality there's something in our airspace and oceans that can't be explained away as easily as proving powercords don't alter the audio signal.

 

[mhardy6647]

Some are incapable of even getting to that reality, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, perhaps due to cognitive dissonance or something else. There's obvious parallels to audio that can be used to poke fun at both groups, mostly to avoid reality there's something in our airspace and oceans that can't be explained away as easily as proving powercords don't alter the audio signal.

... or perhaps both sets of phenomena (the UAPs and the blacker background power cords) are quantum entangled.

 

[krabapple]

The UFOs are real. Safe to assume something is being kept secret from the public.

LOL, OK, sure. Even Donald Trump can keep that secret, and so can every other government.

Mick West has developed tools to make it easier to check for likely man-made explanations, and provides details of their use when debunking stills or video for which there is sufficient information to check - time, location, direction etc. He posts videos giving worked examples such as using these tools and other publicly available information (ADS-B data for aircraft, satellite and celestial body positions etc.) to show the view from the camera location at the time the image was taken to check whether the UAP matches known objects. See for example: the LA fire UAP explanation. Many more on his youtube channel.

Mick West has done good work revealing the drone nonsense to be nonsense. He's got an article in the latest Skeptical Inquirer about how the drone thing was a classic UFO 'flap'...i.e, credulous, excitable people getting all excited about what turns out to be nothing...after which the true believers, rather than being chastened, simply move on to something else.

I really like this chart:

On and on this thread goes....I'm still hoping it will someday tie in to the Mystery of the Vinyl Renaissance (R.I.P.)

 

[WillBrink]

Will the Galileo Project supply any information regarding the UAP/UFO phenomena? I will not hold my breath, but it's a serious effort by serious people via Harvard's team:

Are we alone in the universe? Harvard Professor Avi Loeb says he doesn't think so. He and his team have set up the Galileo Project, aiming to bring a more rigorous approach to the study of unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAP. Using advanced technology such as high-resolution cameras and spectrographs to capture and analyze data on UAP, they hope to better understand the universe around us.

00:00 - 01:19 Intro 01:19 - 04:19
What is Project Gelalio 04:19 - 05:38
Meet the students behind the science 05:38 - 07:37
The AI tools, how it works.07:37 - 08:31
Avi Loeb a polarizing figure in science 08:32 - 09:28
Two years later: Update on Project Galelio 09:28 - 11:50
The US Governments Answer: Project Gremlin 11:50 - 12:10
Aliens go mainstream 12:10 - 14:43
The future of Alien Hunting 14:43 - 15:13

 

[WillBrink]

Mentioned briefly in vid above:

Pentagon UFO office developing 'Gremlin' sensors to help identify anomalies in orbit​

The Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office is producing and refining a new deployable surveillance capability — the Gremlin System — to enable personnel to capture real-time data and more rapidly respond to unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) incidents as they occur, the acting chief of the office told DefenseScoop during a press briefing Wednesday.

Tim Phillips, AARO’s acting director on assignment from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, shared the first public details about these in-the-works, sensor-equipped Gremlin “kits” during the Wednesday briefing, which was more broadly focused on the office’s release of the congressionally required “Volume I Report on the Historical Record of U.S. Government Involvement with UAP.” That report is attached below.

“We’re working with some of the government labs, such as the Department of Energy labs, and we have a great partner with Georgia Tech. And what we’re doing is developing a deployable, configurable sensor suite that we can put in Pelican cases. We’re going to be able to pull it to the field to do a long-term [collection]. Since the UAP target — that signature is not clearly defined — we really have to do hyperspectral surveillance to try to capture these incidents,” explained Phillips, who stepped into the AARO lead role when its inaugural director Sean Kirkpatrick departed last year.

DOD developing ‘Gremlin’ capability to help personnel collect real-time UAP data

The Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office is producing and refining a new deployable surveillance capability — the Gremlin System — to enable personnel to capture real-time data and more rapidly respond to unidentified anomalous phenomena incidents as they occur, the acting chief of...

defensescoop.com

 

[kemmler3D]

Some are incapable of even getting to that reality, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, perhaps due to cognitive dissonance or something else. There's obvious parallels to audio that can be used to poke fun at both groups, mostly to avoid reality there's something in our airspace and oceans that can't be explained away as easily as proving powercords don't alter the audio signal.

Yes, but the problem is it can neither be explained nor explained away. Since we don't have anything concrete to work with, plausibility and entertainment value tend to get muddled...

Well, I'm here, let me throw some fuel on the fire... New work in theoretical physics proposes time is 3-dimensional and space emerges from time rather than being a coequal dimension.

Clearly this implies UAP are not extraterrestrial but transdimensional beings (maybe humans) from parallel realities, who have learned to travel along 1 or 2 extra dimensions of time. This must be it, as we know, physically travelling between stars or galaxies through old fashioned space doesn't make any sense.

 

[WillBrink]

Yes, but the problem is it can neither be explained nor explained away. Since we don't have anything concrete to work with, plausibility and entertainment value tend to get muddled...

Well, I'm here, let me throw some fuel on the fire... New work in theoretical physics proposes time is 3-dimensional and space emerges from time rather than being a coequal dimension.

Clearly this implies UAP are not extraterrestrial but transdimensional beings (maybe humans) from parallel realities, who have learned to travel along 1 or 2 extra dimensions of time. This must be it, as we know, physically travelling between stars or galaxies through old fashioned space doesn't make any sense.

That's been one possibility mentioned many times over the decades and would explain much of what is seen and experienced. It's always been my favored possibility for NHI. Whether they originate from a parallel reality or simply learned how to travel inter-dimensional, I can't say. What is clear is, spacetime is not last word in reality and is, like Newtonian physics before it, a stepping stone to the next level and while useful, clearly incomplete.

 

[kemmler3D]

That's been one possibility mentioned many times over the decades and would explain much of what is seen and experienced. It's always been my favored possibility for NHI. Whether they originate from a parallel reality or simply learned how to travel inter-dimensional, I can't say. What is clear is, spacetime is not last word in reality and is, like Newtonian physics before it, a stepping stone to the next level and while useful, clearly incomplete.

Well, it makes as much sense as any other explanation we have. I don't know that UAP are evidence that our understanding of physics is incomplete, but we know that it is anyway.

 

[terryforsythe]

Mick West has done good work revealing the drone nonsense to be nonsense.

Maybe he has a change of heart after his interview with Tim Phillips, former Deputy Director of AARO, in the video I posted in post #4,121, starting around 50 minutes into the video. The Air Force shut down and moved flight operations for F-22s because of the drone incursions over Langley AFB, which included both fixed wing and rotary drones which were identified as "threats". Beyond that, just look at the damage drones are causing in Ukraine and Russia. Mick himself noted that there are security implications due to drone incursions.

 

[krabapple]

Some are incapable of even getting to that reality, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, perhaps due to cognitive dissonance or something else. There's obvious parallels to audio that can be used to poke fun at both groups, mostly to avoid reality there's something in our airspace and oceans that can't be explained away as easily as proving powercords don't alter the audio signal.

You persist in using the word 'can't' when the better word is 'hasn't'.

And I suspect the post you replied to was to some degree tongue-in-cheek.

 

[Audiofire]

To be fair, one should not expect people on an audio forum to be experts on the UFO phenomenon. Confusion as we see in the thread is OK.

 

[WillBrink]

You persist in using the word 'can't' when the better word is 'hasn't'.

Distinction without meaning or utility in the discussion.