All About UFO's

[kemmler3D]

A global catastrophe and ten thousand years would eliminate a lot of traces.

It would also leave a lot of traces of said catastrophe... so what was it? (not being snarky, I just don't know much about the topic.)

 

[Mart68]

It would also leave a lot of traces of said catastrophe... so what was it? (not being snarky, I just don't know much about the topic.)

There's a theory that the rapid end to the last glacial period was caused either by asteroid/comet impact (or air burst).

Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis:

Younger Dryas impact hypothesis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Solar flares is another possibility.

Of course we're outside the realms of mainstream history/archaeology here but its interesting to speculate.

 

[voodooless]

It would also leave a lot of traces of said catastrophe... so what was it? (not being snarky, I just don't know much about the topic.)

This would probably qualify:

Younger Dryas - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Madlop26]

There is archaeological evidence, for example the two distinct building styles in Egypt.

Is it not more a likely explanation change in construction fashion that a prove of an unknown ancient civilization?

A global catastrophe and ten thousand years would eliminate a lot of traces.

again making too much assumptions

There's a theory that the rapid end to the last glacial period was caused either by asteroid/comet impact (or air burst).

No, it is a cyclic period and predictable, related to earth orbital variations.

Look, it is not that what you are telling is impossible, but if we get ourselves in the area of wild speculations the endeavor becomes futile as the possibilities are endless, so I stick with the scientific facts:
- 300,000 years ago, first Homo Sapiens remains
- 110,000 start of the last glacial period
- 20,000- 30,000 years ago, sites showing that we were still in caves, making good pictures tough, of animals, hunting, hands, nothing more complex.
- 12000 years ago end of last Glacial period, finally here we go
- 11,000 years ago First temple site
- 9,000 years ago first cities sites
- 4700 years ago first pyramids
- 4600 years ago Great pyramid
This progression is quite logic, makes the chances of a previous advanced civilization quite low.

 

[mhardy6647]

Look, it is not that what you are telling is impossible, but if we get ourselves in the area of wild speculations the endeavor becomes futile as the possibilities are endless, so I stick with the scientific facts:

Wild speculations in this thread?
Such a thing cannot be!

 

[terryforsythe]

Here is an interview of Timothy Phillips, former Deputy Director of AARO. In sum, he states that much of the UFO lore is due to counter intelligence/psychological operations performed by the U.S. Military.

However, he also states that there are phenomena that we still do not understand, including the black triangle UAPs which he states are far beyond our capability. He has seen reports, photos and videos of them. He thinks they are operated by a foreign adversary who has technologically surpassed us with distruptive or emerging technology.

 

[Axo1989]

I'm a little surprised the skeptics haven't cited last Friday's Wall Street Journal article on the UAP issue. Admittedly the investigation is a little thin and, other than Sean Kirkpatrick, the sources all are anonymous. Of course, coming from mainstream media, the article completely ignores any information contrary to the authors' narrative. Still, I think it makes some good points from a skeptical perspective that are worthy of consideration.

Are you suggesting that generating material that "completely ignores any information contrary to the authors' narrative" is a skill unique to or monopolised by "mainstream media"?

 

[Axo1989]

Here is an interview of Timothy Phillips, former Deputy Director of AARO. In sum, he states that much of the UFO lore is due to counter intelligence/psychological operations performed by the U.S. Military.

However, he also states that there are phenomena that we still do not understand, including the black triangle UAPs which he states are far beyond our capability. He has seen reports, photos and videos of them. He thinks they are operated by a foreign adversary who has technologically surpassed us with distruptive or emerging technology.

As the title screen displays "New York Post" "BOMBSHELL" and "admits it's true" my expectations were pretty low, even so less than a minute of that shabby, breathless presentation style was more than enough for me. All this material seems produced as infotainment for people with only two numbers in their IQ. I'm not suggesting that's you, but I wouldn't be casting aspersions at "mainstream media" if this is a substantial part of your daily media diet.

Edit: I do like the "operated by a foreign adversary" angle as an entertaining example of the myopic paranoia of military-industrial-complex-adjacent entertainers though. They are flying gigantic black triangles across the USA. Absolutely.

 

[terryforsythe]

However, he also states that there are phenomena that we still do not understand, including the black triangle UAPs which he states are far beyond our capability. He has seen reports, photos and videos of them. He thinks they are operated by a foreign adversary who has technologically surpassed us with distruptive or emerging technology.

I re-watched the interview and have been pondering over the perspective of a foreign adversary operating the black triangle UAPs. It seems to me that if it were Russia, they would have used that technology to gain a decisive victory in Ukraine. It is highly unlikely that they are China's because reports of those craft pre-date China's technological rise by decades. I don't know of any other foreign adversaries that have had the requisite technological prowess going back decades. That leaves the possibility of a SAP so secret that most in U.S. leadership roles know nothing about it, or NHI. The current president previously mentioned "very interesting" capabilities of the U.S. Perhaps he was eluding to the black triangle UAPs. It will be interesting to see how this evolves.

 

[Audiofire]

Presidents don't have a need to know about all black projects and Area 51. There is said to be the MJ-12 UFO cabal who might have killed JFK (and Marilyn Monroe). Also Admiral Wilson actively tried to find out according to

The “Admiral Wilson Leak” – “Core Secrets” Document – An Analysis - The Black Vault Case Files

The Analysis The following video was created by The Black Vault which offers a full breakdown of the Wilson Leak, along with a proposed theory about what the documents are. This was recorded on June 19, 2020, and may be updated in the future as additional information presents itself (if any)...

www.theblackvault.com

 

[WillBrink]

Here is an interview of Timothy Phillips, former Deputy Director of AARO. In sum, he states that much of the UFO lore is due to counter intelligence/psychological operations performed by the U.S. Military.

However, he also states that there are phenomena that we still do not understand, including the black triangle UAPs which he states are far beyond our capability. He has seen reports, photos and videos of them. He thinks they are operated by a foreign adversary who has technologically surpassed us with distruptive or emerging technology.

Lots to unpack there. Only one that mattered to me is the admission, is at least one of the typical shapes reported (black triangles) are 100% legit. He thinks they're ours. In fact, UFO researchers have been saying for decades they are ours, but reverse engineered NHI tech. If they are ours without any NHI help, (1) someone literally rewrote physics as we understand it, which he also admits to, and (2) did so a long time ago as black triangles have been reported for 8+ decades. What is the probability of that? I don't know. All possible answers always lead to a highly improbable answer.

The rest of it is interesting, one could think of how smart a double and triple layered psyop being played out would be. Of course multiple things can be true at the same time.

 

[dkinric]

All possible answers always lead to a highly improbable answer.

Of course multiple things can be true at the same time.

This is really the crux of it, isn't it? Add in our evolving (mis)understanding of physics and it's why I don't completely rule out even the weird stuff like trans-dimensional visitors. Every explanation ends in "highly unlikely" - some more than others.

 

[WillBrink]

This is really the crux of it, isn't it? Add in our evolving (mis)understanding of physics and it's why I don't completely rule out even the weird stuff like trans-dimensional visitors. Every explanation ends in "highly unlikely" - some more than others.

That's always the perplexing and interesting part of it all. When the universe is mostly made of matter we know little about, run on a energy source we know nothing about, I think some humility as to what is yet to be learned is warranted. Hell, we don't even know about "simple" things we deal with every day, like gravity or time, so yes, I too keep an agnostic POV on things like inter dimensional travel, etc.

 

[Taiga]

That's always the perplexing and interesting part of it all. When the universe is mostly made of matter we know little about, run on a energy source we know nothing about, I think some humility as to what is yet to be learned is warranted. Hell, we don't even know about "simple" things we deal with every day, like gravity or time, so yes, I too keep an agnostic POV on things like inter dimensional travel, etc.

Perhaps true. But if we truly “know nothing about”, then each and every one of us is free to make up anything we want and it all has equal probability of being correct.

 

[WillBrink]

Perhaps true. But if we truly “know nothing about”, then each and every one of us is free to make up anything we want and it all has equal probability of being correct.

Those who study such things will say for example, gravity is an emergent phenomena from quantum level interactions and no gravitons exist and someone on Twitter claims it's due to unicorn farts. One is far more probable even if hard evidence for either does not exist. One may claim dark energy comes from black holes while another claims Shiva is responsible. I don't think there's equal probability of one being correct. Of course some of that comes under "we don't know what we don't know" kinda angle.

 

[kemmler3D]

Those who study such things will say for example, gravity is an emergent phenomena from quantum level interactions and no gravitons exist and someone on Twitter claims it's due to unicorn farts. One is far more probable even if hard evidence for either does not exist. One may claim dark energy comes from black holes while another claims Shiva is responsible. I don't think there's equal probability of one being correct. Of course some of that comes under "we don't know what we don't know" kinda angle.

Speculating about unknown physics in combination with known physics just gives us a narrower path to the same kind of fantastical nonsense though. Here's my crack at it:

Black hole cosmology turns out to be true and our universe is a black hole within a 4-D "master" universe, which is trillions of years older than our own. The vastly advanced Inhabitants of that universe can access ours by manipulating the 3D surface of the 4D black hole, enabling them to appear anywhere in the universe at any time.

Actual physics + superficially plausible sci-fi is not really better than "god did it" unless there's some actual evidence to go on.

 

[WillBrink]

Speculating about unknown physics in combination with known physics just gives us a narrower path to the same kind of fantastical nonsense though. Here's my crack at it:

Black hole cosmology turns out to be true and our universe is a black hole within a 4-D "master" universe, which is trillions of years older than our own. The vastly advanced Inhabitants of that universe can access ours by manipulating the 3D surface of the 4D black hole, enabling them to appear anywhere in the universe at any time.

Actual physics + superficially plausible sci-fi is not really better than "god did it" unless there's some actual evidence to go on.

As someone who writes some semi successful SciFi, I resemble that!

 

[kemmler3D]

As someone who writes some semi successful SciFi, I resemble that!

That's actually quite cool, I feel like that didn't totally sink in even though it's your profile pic. A little off topic but I'd like a professional's opinion on this: Do you consider Star Wars to be fantasy or sci-fi, and why?

 

[dkinric]

Perhaps true. But if we truly “know nothing about”, then each and every one of us is free to make up anything we want and it all has equal probability of being correct.

Well sure, but the fact that it could be non-zero is what is interesting to speculate about. I think the counter argument to this is that your probability calculation is based on our flawed understanding of our universe, incomplete at least. We consistently learn how much we don't know, but yes it could be anything really. There are theories.

 

[terryforsythe]

A video just came out, linked below, claiming that one of the primary sources of the WSJ article I referenced a few days ago is Susan Gaugh, who works with the DoD and who's own Linkedin profile states her expertise in psychological operations. Susan Gaugh is a contoversial figure when it comes to the UAP topic, to say the least. The video claims the WSJ article itself is part of a psychological operation and goes into depth debunking the article.