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All About UFO's

Look up the definition of the term.
I did.

But consider in a court of law where anecdotal (witness) evidence can be used. If the witness has not taken any notes at the time of the event, or has no other records he can refer to (photos, video etc), the evidence will be attacked by the opposing lawyers as being unreliable - especially when significant time has elapsed. Human memory is very malleable over time.

Both times I've witnessed traffic accidents, I've made notes about what I saw (including sketches) as soon as possible after the event. I'm well aware that my witness statement will be close to useless otherwise.
 
These are potentially extraordinary claims being made, and this new stuff adds very little to the party. It is just more of the same. We need evidence, so why can't these important, high-level people demand that we obtain some and not just talk the talk?
High level people have demanded it, two years straight in the UAP Disclosure Act. But, we are venturing too close to talking about politics, so I will say no more about that subject. The Acts, as initially proposed but not enacted, are very interesting reading, though.
 
Yep, pretty much this. While there are certain things certain people say that could indicate "big things" if they were referring to what we'd hope they were referring to, but there just isn't anything, and I mean anything, tangible enough to reasonably put trust in that possibility.

Not only do we not have anything tangible, we have nobody referring to anything specific and tangible.

I mean I'd want to hear "We have half of a gravity drive from a crashed alien ship and we got 1/8 of it apparently working and it's in a bunker in Nevada." Instead we get "Non human biologics! <very meaningful eyebrow motions>"
Look for Bob Lazar on youtube.
 
Look for Bob Lazar on youtube.
I'll admit that I am skeptical of Bob Lazar's story. In the interviews I have seen of him, his knowledge of physics isn't on par with what I would expect for someone to have been brought into a black project UFO program for reverse engineering. But, who knows. A lot of crazy decisions have been made over the years.

Lazar's disclosure is a good rubuttal to people who claim that if it is true the government would not have been able to keep it secret all of these decades. If it is true, it hasn't been kept secret. In addition to Lazar, over the decades other people also have come out claiming to have worked in the UFO reverse engineering program. Whether they should be believed is another matter but, if it really exists, the veil of secrecy has not been as effective as some like to pretend.

In the past, campaigns against the credibility of witnesses have been very effective at keeping the UFO topic relegated as being crazy talk from hoaxsters, opportunists and crazy people. Further attempts to do so occurred just this week:

After the release of the Harald Malmgren interview yesterday where he delves into the UFO topic, there was pressure to remove his biography from Wikipedia. Wikipedia even held a request for comments on the issue. As of today the page still is up, but a whole lot of edits to the page were made this morning: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harald_Malmgren&action=history.

Yesterday, though, Christopher Mellon's biography was deleted from Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Christopher_Mellon. The fact it happened on the day the Malmgren interview was released is not a coincidence. I have no doubt in my mind the motivation behind the deletion was his involvement in the UAP topic.

Regardless of those shameless attempts to censor UAP information, smoke around the topic continues to build. The shear number of people coming out of very high positions in the U.S. government who are telling us UFO phenomena are real is significant. There also were tussles in Congress that gutted the original UAP Disclosure Act, there has been a congressional investigation of the UAP topic underway for the past couple of years, and the military and intelligence agencies have continued to resist the release of information they have on the topic.

What is the truth on the matter I do not profess to know, and I am very skeptical of much of the UFO lore. But, I find the topic to be interesting, especially the struggles over transparency going on behind the scene, and I am curious to see how it evolves.
 
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I'll admit that I am skeptical of Bob Lazar's story. In the interviews I have seen of him, his knowledge of physics isn't on par with what I would expect for someone to have been brought into a black project UFO program for reverse engineering. But, who knows. A lot of crazy decisions have been made over the years.

Lazar's disclosure is a good rubuttal to people who claim that if it is true the government would not have been able to keep it secret all of these decades. If it is true, it hasn't been kept secret. In addition to Lazar, over the decades other people also have come out claiming to have worked in the UFO reverse engineering program. Whether they should be believed is another matter but, if it really exists, the veil of secrecy has not been as effective as some like to pretend.

In the past, campaigns against the credibility of witnesses have been very effective at keeping the UFO topic relegated as being crazy talk from hoaxsters, opportunists and crazy people. Further attempts to do so occurred just this week:

After the release of the Harald Malmgren interview yesterday where he delves into the UFO topic, there was pressure to remove his biography from Wikipedia. Wikipedia even held a request for comments on the issue. As of today the page still is up, but a whole lot of edits to the page were made this morning: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harald_Malmgren&action=history.

Yesterday, though, Christopher Mellon's biography was deleted from Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Christopher_Mellon. The fact it happened on the day the Malmgren interview was released is not a coincidence. I have no doubt in my mind the motivation behind the deletion was his involvement in the UAP topic.

Regardless of those shameless attempts to censor UAP information, smoke around the topic continues to build. The shear number of people coming out of very high positions in the U.S. government who are telling us UFO phenomena are real is significant. There also were tussles in Congress that gutted the original UAP Disclosure Act, there has been a congressional investigation of the UAP topic underway for the past couple of years, and the military and intelligence agencies have continued to resist the release of information they have on the topic.

What is the truth on the matter I do not profess to know, and I am very skeptical of much of the UFO lore. But, I find the topic to be interesting, especially the struggles over transparency going on behind the scene, and I am curious to see how it evolves.
Agree, see how it pans out, it must be clear to even the greatest sceptists
that there's a lot going on behind the scenes in the highest circles of (politics ; defense industry ; secret service(s)
 
I did.

But consider in a court of law where anecdotal (witness) evidence can be used. If the witness has not taken any notes at the time of the event, or has no other records he can refer to (photos, video etc), the evidence will be attacked by the opposing lawyers as being unreliable - especially when significant time has elapsed. Human memory is very malleable over time.

Both times I've witnessed traffic accidents, I've made notes about what I saw (including sketches) as soon as possible after the event. I'm well aware that my witness statement will be close to useless otherwise.

I have done 50+ multi-day trials and evidentiary hearings, and have never had a witness who made contemporaneous notes. I have also never asked a witness about their contemporaneous notes or had opposing counsel ask such questions. Your testimony about the hypothetical accident where you did not take notes is far from worthless - you would be like every other occurrence witness. You might be asked about how you made your observations (distance from occurrence, lighting conditions,etc), but you are not going through be asked about your notes, unless you are a cop.
 
Agree, see how it pans out, it must be clear to even the greatest sceptists
that there's a lot going on behind the scenes in the highest circles of (politics ; defense industry ; secret service(s)
There has always been a lot going on behind the scenes in these areas, and disinformation is part of the game for all of them. The question on the 'alien tech' side is whether it's the thing being covered up, the cover for other things, just a mass delusion, something else, or some combination of these.
 
There has always been a lot going on behind the scenes in these areas, and disinformation is part of the game for all of them. The question on the 'alien tech' side is whether it's the thing being covered up, the cover for other things, just a mass delusion, something else, or some combination of these.
Any ‘alien tech’ idea is outrageous and not something to take seriously before exhausting countless other more rational explanations. No matter how crazy an idea you come up with that does not include advanced interstellar intelligence, it is statistically orders of magnitude more likely to be the solution.
 
Hasn't panned out yet..
No, it hasn't.

There has always been a lot going on behind the scenes in these areas, and disinformation is part of the game for all of them. The question on the 'alien tech' side is whether it's the thing being covered up, the cover for other things, just a mass delusion, something else, or some combination of these.
I think it is a combination of things.

Although I have not ruled it out, I will be surprised if it turns out they really are in posession of NHI technology. Currently I am leaning toward the hypothesis that counter espionage misinformation campaigns and psychological operations have gone out of control, and confused even those at very high levels in the government. If that hypothesis is correct, exactly what secrets are being protected may be just as interesting as the UAP topic, and may be responsible for some of the UAP sightings.
 
I'll admit that I am skeptical of Bob Lazar's story. In the interviews I have seen of him, his knowledge of physics isn't on par with what I would expect for someone to have been brought into a black project UFO program for reverse engineering. But, who knows. A lot of crazy decisions have been made over the years.

Lazar's disclosure is a good rubuttal to people who claim that if it is true the government would not have been able to keep it secret all of these decades. If it is true, it hasn't been kept secret. In addition to Lazar, over the decades other people also have come out claiming to have worked in the UFO reverse engineering program. Whether they should be believed is another matter but, if it really exists, the veil of secrecy has not been as effective as some like to pretend.

In the past, campaigns against the credibility of witnesses have been very effective at keeping the UFO topic relegated as being crazy talk from hoaxsters, opportunists and crazy people. Further attempts to do so occurred just this week:

After the release of the Harald Malmgren interview yesterday where he delves into the UFO topic, there was pressure to remove his biography from Wikipedia. Wikipedia even held a request for comments on the issue. As of today the page still is up, but a whole lot of edits to the page were made this morning: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harald_Malmgren&action=history.

Yesterday, though, Christopher Mellon's biography was deleted from Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Christopher_Mellon. The fact it happened on the day the Malmgren interview was released is not a coincidence. I have no doubt in my mind the motivation behind the deletion was his involvement in the UAP topic.

Regardless of those shameless attempts to censor UAP information, smoke around the topic continues to build. The shear number of people coming out of very high positions in the U.S. government who are telling us UFO phenomena are real is significant. There also were tussles in Congress that gutted the original UAP Disclosure Act, there has been a congressional investigation of the UAP topic underway for the past couple of years, and the military and intelligence agencies have continued to resist the release of information they have on the topic.

What is the truth on the matter I do not profess to know, and I am very skeptical of much of the UFO lore. But, I find the topic to be interesting, especially the struggles over transparency going on behind the scene, and I am curious to see how it evolves.
Yeah, I found it interesting that in very early videos he (Lazar) was described as an electronics tech, but more recent ones claim electronics engineer. Maybe he finished his degree? <shrug>
 
Yeah, I found it interesting that in very early videos he (Lazar) was described as an electronics tech, but more recent ones claim electronics engineer. Maybe he finished his degree? <shrug>


Maybe he finished his degree when he was doing time for one of his numerous criminal convictions?
 
Yeah, I found it interesting that in very early videos he (Lazar) was described as an electronics tech, but more recent ones claim electronics engineer. Maybe he finished his degree? <shrug>
I have not heard whether he finished his degree. Based on the interviews I have seen with him, I suspect not.

But, what makes his case interesting to me is that there was an attempt to sabatage his credibility right after he came out. I don't remember who, or which department stated it, but they denied that he ever worked at Los Alamos. An investigative journalist, I don't remember who, was able to find a news paper article about Lazar and his jet car, which mentioned his employment at Los Alamos. More importantly, a Los Alamos employee directory was retrieved, (I think from archives, but I could be wrong) and it listed Lazar as an employee at the time he claimed he worked there. He also disclosed things about area 51 which were not discovered to be true until much later.

The entire Lazar issue if befudling to me. As I indicated, I don't think he has the scientific credentials to have been hired as a scientist to reverse engineer an alien craft. But, if he were just some crazy person with a wild story, why was there an attempt to sabatage his credibility? Bizarre.
 
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I have not heard whether he finished his degree. Based on the interviews I have seen with him, I suspect not.

But, what makes his case interesting to me is that there was an attempt to sabatage his credibility right after he came out. I don't remember who, or which department stated it, but they denied that he ever worked at Los Alamos. An investigative journalist, I don't remember who, was able to find a news paper article about Lazar and his jet car, which mentioned his employment at Los Alamos. More importantly, a Los Alamos employee directory was retrieved, (I think from archives, but I could be wrong) and it listed Lazar as an employee at the time he claimed he worked there. He also disclosed things about area 51 which were not discovered to be true until much later.

The entire Lazar issue if befudling to me. As I indicated, I don't think he has the scientific credentials to have been hired as a scientist to reverse engineer an alien craft. But, if he were just some crazy person with a wild story, why was there an attempt to sabatage his credibility? Bizarre.

That guy. That they took such efforts to discredit Lazar is what actually gave him credibility and why I don't fully dismiss his claims:

 
This video is an interview with Dr. Harald Malmgren. He was a presidential advisor to JFK, LBJ, Nixon and Ford. It is a very long interview. In it Malmgren discloses the reality of UFOs, and claims to have held UFO debris in his hands. The interview took place shortly before his death in February of this year.

Again, we have more stories without indisputable evidence. On the other hand, Malmgren was well entrenched in the Executive branch. Combining his disclosure with that of James Clapper, 4th Director of National Intelligence, the amount of the anectotal evidence from those very high in the U.S. government continues to increase. Make of it what you will.


Tangential:

 
UFOs are the techno-nerds that developed the computer program we lovingly refer to as the “Cosmos.” Human beings are a bug in the code that will be removed with the next software update.
 
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