All About UFO's

[Axo1989]

The Venn diagram between UFO phenomena and evidence in the era of AI-amplified disinformation is sure to show a lot of overlap though.

Hmmm, can it still be called a Venn diagram if one circle is ... empty?

 

[pablolie]

Hmmm, can it still be called a Venn diagram if one circle is ... empty?

Very well countered. My point is it's easy to fill the "UFO evidence" circle with a lot of disinformation created with AI tools that people sadly fall for all the time. My mom loves birds. Now she keeps reposting ridiculous AI-created bird pictures believing they are true.

The fuzzy UFO pics we have seen for many years will soon enough look natural and real, and no long after there will be sharp videos as well... and following the 80/20 rule, at least 80% of people will not question what seems to *looks* real.

 

[JSmith]

ChatGPT

... and yet its "credible" evidence, is anything but.

The USS Nimitz Encounter

The Skeptic’s Guide to the Pentagon’s UFO Videos

The videos aren’t proof of extraterrestrial life, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t interesting.

www.vice.com

Science writer, engineer, and skeptic Mick West has a YouTube channel where he extensively documents his efforts to provide alternative explanations for the Navy UFO footage that doesn’t involve alien visitors to planet Earth. According to West, FLIR is probably a “low resolution, out of focus, backlit plane.” In the FLIR video, the video focuses on a single UAP in the distance. It appears to rotate in place before zooming to the left of the frame. According to To the Stars Academy, this movement is “unprecedented velocity.”

West pointed out that, as the camera stops tracking the object, it also changes the zoom. This switch from a 1x zoom to a 2x zoom gives the object the appearance of “teleporting” to the left. The craft, which was always traveling to the left, continues apace but isn’t followed by the camera anymore. That gives it its apparent speed. “This is perfectly consistent with something like a distant aircraft just flying along quite normally making no sudden movements,” West said on YouTube.

He believes GIMBAL to be a plane as well, lit by the infrared flare of the engine and locked in place by a trick of the gimbal mounted camera viewing it. In a series of several videos on his YouTube channel, West walks through how a gimbal mounted camera can produce the effects seen in the Navy footage, including the rotating glare and image sharpening in IR cameras.

O'Hare International Airport Sighting

O’Hare UFO sighting in 2006 one of the most famous reported

The city of Chicago isn’t known as a hotbed of UFO activity, but O’Hare Airport is the home of one of the most publicized sightings of the last decade. A “flying saucer-like objec…

www.chicagotribune.com

The FAA dismissed the incident as a weather phenomena and Dr. Mark Hammergren, an astronomer at Adler Planetarium, agreed, saying the weather conditions at O’Hare that day were right for a “hole-punch cloud.”

“It’s something that occurs when a propeller or jet airplane passes through when you have uniform cloud cover and the temperature is right near the freezing point,” Hammergren explained. ” They make liquid water droplets freeze and a hazy disc of ice crystals descends from a hole, and it looks like a perfect hole punched in the cloud.”

Belgian UFO Wave

Belgian UFO wave - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On 26 July 2011, in an interview for the Belgian TV channel RTL, Patrick Maréchal explained that it was a hoax that he had constructed to fool with his workmates. He constructed a model using a triangle cut from styrofoam, painted it black, and then used light bulbs from flashlights, one colored red, and then hung it from the roof and took photographs. He produced about 30 copies and distributed them to his workmates.

In his 27 September 2016, Skeptoid podcast episode titled "The Belgian UFO Wave," author Brian Dunning discussed the photographic evidence and said that the single photograph is emblematic of the quality of all the evidence that characterized the Belgian UFO wave. In 2011, Patrick Maréchal demonstrated how he had created the hoax UFO, by cutting a piece of styrofoam into a triangle, painting it black, embedding a flashlight in each corner, and hanging it from a string.

JSmith

 

[pablolie]

... and yet its "credible" evidence, is anything but.
...

In case it wasn't clear, I posted it for fun.

I do believe it's a 100% certainty there is other intelligent life in the universe. Whether we'd ever recognize it as such give our ridiculous bias to represent alien life as having a body design that gimmicks ours yet has green skin and trumpet ears is another matter.

I do rate the possibility of aliens flying millions of light years to get to earth and just buzz around pointlessly much lower, probably less than 5% if I was a betting man. But I certainly don't completely exclude the possibility, nor would I be if Elon Musk steps suddenly out of a human outer skin. :-D

 

[Axo1989]

Very well countered. My point is it's easy to fill the "UFO evidence" circle with a lot of disinformation created with AI tools that people sadly fall for all the time. My mom loves birds. Now she keeps reposting ridiculous AI-created bird pictures believing they are true.

The fuzzy UFO pics we have seen for many years will soon enough look natural and real, and no long after there will be sharp videos as well... and following the 80/20 rule, at least 80% of people will not question what seems to *looks* real.

Yes, I agree.

A bit off-topic but in an (more) ideal world OpenAI would follow its original public benefit charter, and have successfully removed greed-driven shill Sam Altman. But billions of dollars gave us a different outcome. One could say the venture capital 'AI' horse has bolted. But just now we see some of these billions break stride over a DeepSeek rabbit hole and disappear ...

Anyway, the attention economy craves attention, so all this 'AI slop' will keep coming. I don't understand sustained (or accelerated?) credulity.

 

[JSmith]

In case it wasn't clear, I posted it for fun.

Oh I know... I just need to debunk these things, or I will be thinking about it later.


JSmith

 

[sam_adams]

Hmmm, can it still be called a Venn diagram if one circle is ... empty?

If I remember my fifth grade set theory, it would be an empty or null set:

Set theory pedants, feel free to correct.

 

[Axo1989]

If I remember my fifth grade set theory, it would be an empty or null set:

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Set theory pedants, feel free to correct.

Null set and match!

*apologies to tennis pedants in advance

 

[sam_adams]

I do believe it's a 100% certainty there is other intelligent life in the universe.

At some point we will all have to reconcile our beliefs with both the Drake Equation and the Fermi Paradox. After all, the Milky Way at it's estimated true size—386,815,540,487,402,828 cubic light-years (386 quadrillion cubic light-years)—is a big place. It would take a very long time for any technologically advanced civilization to search that volume. Given the infinite number of random events that have brought us to this point, the odds are heavily stacked against us ever making contact with another intelligent lifeform—if they even exist.

 

[pablolie]

At some point we will all have to reconcile our beliefs with both the Drake Equation and the Fermi Paradox. After all, the Milky Way at it's estimated true size—386,815,540,487,402,828 cubic light-years (386 quadrillion cubic light-years)—is a big place. It would take a very long time for any technologically advanced civilization to search that volume. Given the infinite number of random events that have brought us to this point, the odds are heavily stacked against us ever making contact with another intelligent lifeform—if they even exist.

I think our thinking is aligned. Especially considering the amazingly large Milky Way is in no remote way the only galaxy that was blown about the vast expanse fueled by the Big Bang (it's the best theory we have). I think it is silly human arrogance to think we are just a single entity in the entire Universe. We haven't even been the single dominating species on our very planet for more than 10k years, tops. And earth has a 4B years history, we are a microscopic side story in earth's history. The entire universe? The probabilities are probably in the nano percentile area.

But as far as the bizarre buzzing by of UFOs go, color me very skeptical. I think totally and completely closing one's mind to possibilities is not a long term winning strategy in anything, but my personal betting odds on that are in the <5% realm. That's all.

 

[tomtoo]

Did you just tell us you didn't watch the vid without telling us you didn't watch the vid?

Did you watch and just not understand?

 

[Petrushka]

Hmmm, can it still be called a Venn diagram if one circle is ... empty?

It’s the set of empty sets.

 

[tomtoo]

Its not that hard in the realm of known physics visitors are very hard to belive on.
In unknown physics everything is possible. But thats than called science fiction.

 

[mhardy6647]

It’s the set of empty sets.

I think that's a thing...

 

[PierreV]

I think that's a thing...

Yeah, they have a very high success rate in formal _vacuous_ proofs in induction and logic. In fact, the notion of vacuous proof seems to fit our topic quite well.

 

[mhardy6647]

I think that's a thing...

I guess I was actually thinking of George Cantor, but I was still kinda, sorta on the right track with my comment.
I am not the math person in my house. That would actually be everyone else in the family (wife, many of her siblings, and both of our kids).
I, on the other hand, am one of the four-thirds of Americans who struggle(s) with fractions.

 

[antcollinet]

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Righto then... what have you got to share?


JSmith

Have you NOT been listening? FIGHTER PILOTS. Talking.

 

[pablolie]

Have you NOT been listening? FIGHTER PILOTS. Talking.

Those 9G turns can mess with your brain... :-D (Kidding! But personally, I'd probably be seeing all sorts of things...)

 

[terryforsythe]

It has become an open secret that string theory is dead, and with it, wormholes as a method of travel.

This video came out today from Sabine Hossenfelder discussing Sting Theory. You may be interested.

 

[antcollinet]

Sting Theory

Is that a theory about the shape of his heart? Or the goldenness of the fields?


Sorry - I'll get me coat.