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Petrushka said:
Assuming it’s an unaltered photo, it’s something military. There are precedents for military aircraft not being announced.
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Agreed.

The photo reminds me of a UAP report I heard about, which involved a sighting over the North Atlantic. A guy, who was an expert in identifying aircraft when he served in the British Navy, spotted a triangular aircraft that he did not recognize. Not being able to identify it, it was considered to be an unidentified flying object. He probably saw the craft in the picture (A-12 or newer version of that craft).
 
News Nation (Reality Check with Ross Coulthart) just released a new interview today. It is titled "Shellenberger: Pentagon's UAP program 'Immaculate Constellation' revealed". In addition to UAPs, it discusses other topics not suitable for this forum, so I won't post a link. But it will be easy to find for anyone interested.
 
terryforsythe said:
Agreed.

The photo reminds me of a UAP report I heard about, which involved a sighting over the North Atlantic. A guy, who was an expert in identifying aircraft when he served in the British Navy, spotted a triangular aircraft that he did not recognize. Not being able to identify it, it was considered to be an unidentified flying object. He probably saw the craft in the picture (A-12 or newer version of that craft).
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There are quite a few unmanned, basically triangular, classified/experimental aircraft in existence. The UK has Taranis, France has nEUROn, US has X-47B, RQ-180 (possibly photographed) and probably others.
 
terryforsythe said:
The photo reminds me of a UAP report I heard about, which involved a sighting over the North Atlantic. A guy, who was an expert in identifying aircraft when he served in the British Navy, spotted a triangular aircraft that he did not recognize. Not being able to identify it, it was considered to be an unidentified flying object. He probably saw the craft in the picture (A-12 or newer version of that craft).
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Are you thinking of this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(aircraft)#British_sighting_claims
That's more than a year before the A-12's planned first flight. The triangle proportions are also quite different. There's a similar sighting in 1992 near Beale AFB, again in formation with a KC-135 but this time with a pair of F-117s rather than a pair of F-111s. More on those at
Edit: it seems to be turning my link into an embed...
 
somebodyelse said:
Are you thinking of this one?
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That sounds like the one.

Good point. It was so long ago I didn't have the dates correct. Perhaps it was the Aurora and not the A-12. The more recent photo, though, to me looks more like what the A-12 was supposed to look like based on the information I have seen.
 
terryforsythe said:
I haven't seen any ironclad information on this subject. If it exists and were to be made publicly available, the discussion would be over.

Moreover, there are people (both apparently credible and apparently not credible) giving opposing information. They cannot all be correct.

Elon Musk provided interesting insight in a recent interview. Basically, he stated that he has not seen any evidence of UAPs, and with all of the space missions with which he has been involved (I presume he means both classified and unclassified), if they are real he would have seen evidence. This is another data point.

Also, a video of what appears to be a navy A-12 (supposedly canceled over 3 decades ago) is floating around the Internet. If it is an A-12, or perhaps a more modern version of that aircraft, it could explain some of the sightings of triangular shaped craft that people think are UAPs. This is another data point.
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Agreed, seen no iron clad evidence one way or another. That's about the most balanced take on it I have seen to date:

www.vice.com

That Time the CIA Investigated a Magician to See if Magic Was Real

A video with illusionist Uri Geller spawned dozens of pages of follow-up reports in the CIA about whether magic was real, and if so, how to harness it for espionage.
www.vice.com www.vice.com
 
Another data point: Yesterday's (Oct. 9) episode (S4, E147) of "The Benny Show" touches on the UAP topic starting at 53:13 into the program. The person he is interviewing is a powerful figure on a powerful committee, and received confidential briefings on the UAP topic inside a SCIF. The episode discusses numerous topics, including a topic that makes it inappropriate to post here. Nonetheless, here is how that figure answered questions about UFOs:

Q: "What about UFOs?"

A: "Um, well, we're learning more each and every day. You're getting the titrated leaking on the UFOs. It is now open source information that the CIA has a program around craft recovery. It's not a, not a question anymore. And, so, that's probably where I would start; the craft recovery, and the biologics that have been taken from those craft."

Q: "People, are people going to be ready for that?"

A: "I think, I think you got to let it out there. You don't, you don't ignore the benefit of the citizenry by keeping those kind of secrets from them."
 
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terryforsythe said:
Another data point: Yesterday's (Oct. 9) episode (S4, E147) of "The Benny Show" touches on the UAP topic starting at 53:13 into the program. The person he is interviewing is a powerful figure on a powerful committee, and received confidential briefings on the UAP topic inside a SCIF.
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Why not say who the interviewee is, which committee they are on, and what a SCIF is?
 
somebodyelse said:
Why not say who the interviewee is, which committee they are on, and what a SCIF is?
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Because I had many posts deleted, and received a warning, for discussing the UFO topic in context of how it is being handled with hearings, legislation, etc. I am striving to share information I find on the topic (I find it very interesting) while not ruffling any feathers.
 
somebodyelse said:
Why not say who the interviewee is, which committee they are on, and what a SCIF is?
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Because even mentions of such things and persons gets it removed here for being political, when it's clearly not. He gave you the source if interested. A SCIF is:

Sensitive compartmented information facility​

"A sensitive compartmented information facility, in United States military, national security/national defense and intelligence parlance, is an enclosed area within a building that is used to process sensitive compartmented information types of classified information."
 
terryforsythe said:
News Nation (Reality Check with Ross Coulthart) just released a new interview today. It is titled "Shellenberger: Pentagon's UAP program 'Immaculate Constellation' revealed". In addition to UAPs, it discusses other topics not suitable for this forum, so I won't post a link. But it will be easy to find for anyone interested.
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Some more information on this has come out:

1. The DoD has made a statement denying that "Immaculate Constellation" is a special access program (SAP).

2. Keep in mind that the program name just came out this week. Google was used to look at the statistics for "Immaculate Constellation" being used as a search term. Immediately after Grusche's testimony in July 2023 there was a spike in use of that term for Google searches in multiple regions with a DoD/intelligence agency presence, especially around Wright-Patterson AFB, which long has been the rumored location of UAP artifacts. But, Grusche never disclosed that program name nor used that term, and at the time of the spike in use of that term for Google searches the program name still was unknown to the public. The hypothesis presented is that the DoD/intelligence agencies were searching to see if Grusche disclosed the program in his testimony or any of his interviews, which would have landed him in hot water.

After news broke about the Google statistics being discovered for use of the term "Immaculate Constellation" in July 2023, those statistics were removed from Google and no longer are available (at least not to the public). A couple of YouTubers got screen shots of the statistics before they were removed. I think "Vetted" showed them in one of the videos this week if I remember correctly.

3. Allegedly, the person that released the program name is a new whistle blower not associated with Luis Elizondo, David Grusche, et al. That person is expected to testify in one of next month's hearings.

terryforsythe said:
Another data point: Yesterday's (Oct. 9) episode (S4, E147) of "The Benny Show" touches on the UAP topic starting at 53:13 into the program. The person he is interviewing is a powerful figure on a powerful committee, and received confidential briefings on the UAP topic inside a SCIF. The episode discusses numerous topics, including a topic that makes it inappropriate to post here. Nonetheless, here is how that figure answered questions about UFOs:

Q: "What about UFOs?"

A: "Um, well, we're learning more each and every day. You're getting the titrated leaking on the UFOs. It is now open source information that the CIA has a program around craft recovery. It's not a, not a question anymore. And, so, that's probably where I would start; the craft recovery, and the biologics that have been taken from those craft."

Q: "People, are people going to be ready for that?"

A: "I think, I think you got to let it out there. You don't, you don't ignore the benefit of the citizenry by keeping those kind of secrets from them."
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The ramifications of this:

We now have conflicting stories pertaining to the UAP issue coming from within our government itself. An elected leader provided the above answers, while the DoD still denies that information. More information will be coming from the hearings that are scheduled to take place in November. Specifically, there are two hearings scheduled, one for testimony from the DoD (AARO) and one for testimony from whistle blowers. I fully expect that the statements made in those hearings will be conflicting. Nonetheless, the information presented will provide more data points for this subject.
 
Chester said:
How did anyone know to look at the Google stats for that term back then, if the term was not known?
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They found the statistics this week, after Shellenberger disclosed the program name. With Google you can find statistics for historical usage of a search term. So, this week they found the statistics from July 2023. After news about the statistics got out, they quickly were removed from Google.
 
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terryforsythe said:
They found the statistics this week, after Shellenberger disclosed the program name. With Google you can find statistics for historical usage of a search term. So, this week they found the statistics from July 2023. After news about the statistics got out, they quickly were removed from Google.
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Upcoming hearings, mention of newly disclosed program, etc:

 
New interview with Sarah Gamm:
"Ross Coulthart sits down with Sarah Gamm, a former intelligence analyst for the UAP Task Force, to talk about her work with the Pentagon and her psychic encounters. Gamm also describes the moment that made her realize "we are not alone" and explains why some of the UAP videos on the web might not be accurate."
 
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