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About the grains of powder in the shell? I have heard it but it's not really noisy.That last sentence is not credible.
About the grains of powder in the shell? I have heard it but it's not really noisy.That last sentence is not credible.
Yes, in a large cartridge like the 45 long colt which will not need a full powder charge with modern powder it can make a sound though not very loud. Also nothing like even 1 bb in an empty. If she had trouble with those two she was incompetent.About the grains of powder in the shell? I have heard it but it's not really noisy.
I guess my big question would be, WTF were live rounds doing on the set, and why wouldn’t their presence generate a higher level of caution? The word cowboy used to connote an emotionally stunted overgrown child. A western made by real cowboys.45 long Colt rounds. You may notice the length of the brass. Single BB in place of powder will make a noticeable rattle when shaken. No rattle may mean a live round and call for stopping action to investigate further.
Agreed. Although a case might be made that Baldwin didn't provide due-diligence for not checking the weapon, it was the idiot that handed him a real loaded gun on the set that is most responsible. As I stated earlier,And if it was not a gun, but a sword, what then?
How about a hand grenade?
How many know how to handle those?
People with personal experiences with guns, are looking at this in a wrong light.
There was no gun. Without live rounds, a gun is just a harmless prop! Just wood and metal.
all and any of those precautions, become irrelevant,
So either someone planned to murder that actor ?, or it was so stupid a mistake that someone should be criminally responsible?Someone, if not a number of people here, are guilty of either first degree, premeditated murder, or reckless homicide.
Now you are making sense!I guess my big question would be, WTF were live rounds doing on the set, and why wouldn’t their presence generate a higher level of caution?
I guess my big question would be, WTF were live rounds doing on the set, and why wouldn’t their presence generate a higher level of caution? The word cowboy used to connote an emotionally stunted overgrown child. A western made by real cowboys.
This trial is about Baldwin’s state of mind.Now you are making sense!
Live rounds presence on the set, is the issue, was the issue, the only issue.
If it can be proven or shown that Baldwin had any reason to suspect that live rounds could have been anywhere on the set, then he becomes answerable, as to why the set was not immediately shutdown, or all weapons not double inspected.
Otherwise, he is not guilty in my opinion.
I know, nothing of the law, but do know, that laws are sensible, or they would not last.
His state of mind is the issue to be decided by the jury.I thought that question was already answered. Live rounds were around because there was some target practice during breaks. Which, if it can be proved that Alec - quick draw - Baldwin participated in shooting at shit in the desert.... That would not cast a favorable light on his defense.
Now there we have the big question, why and who allowed it?I thought that question was already answered. Live rounds were around because there was some target practice during breaks. Which, if it can be proved that Alec - quick draw - Baldwin participated in shooting at shit in the desert.... That would not cast a favorable light on his defense.
His state of mind is the issue to be decided by the jury.
I’m going to state my meanest, nastiest thought and leave the discussion. There’s a thing called punitive damages. It goes beyond compensation for an injury. It’s purpose is to raise the stakes for bad behavior and hopefully, prevent it.Now there we have the big question, why and who allowed it?
Most probably a repercussion of the cockeyed CA gun laws and being on-set is one of the few options those there have an opportunity to shoot them. Untrained, inexperienced weapon handling is a recipe for a tragedy.
There’s a separate but equal justice system for the rich and famous. A poor person would feel lucky to get a plea with no jail time.True, but OJ Simpson got away with something more serious courtesy of a jury.
How very sad that was.True, but OJ Simpson got away with something more serious courtesy of a jury.
We already knew that.then Hollywood is hopeless
He was already on a restraining order, She should have shot him! No ProblemWarning shots are illegal in Florida.
He was already on a restraining order, She should have shot him! No Problem
Warning shots have no idea who might be on the receiving end.
Failure to know the law has nothing to do with the law being broken.Handling guns on sets does not bring an actor any kind of expertise
And if it is already in the revolver's cylinder: I am pretty sure "no one" is the correct answer.Check out how similar the live and dummy rounds are with the only distinction being the more flattened tops one vs the other:
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How would an actor be able to tell such a difference?
True, but OJ Simpson got away with something more serious courtesy of a jury.
How very sad that was.![]()
Baldwin didn't provide due-diligence for not checking the weapon
An actor should check the gun on being handed it and if not sure ask.
The whole set was incompetent with regard to safety. Horsing around with a real gun is inexcusable. Firing a blank at a person is inexcusable. Blanks are not harmless.This point has been brought up multiple times throughout this thread. I think on the surface it might make sense, but in what should be very controlled environment with tight safety protocols, and a documented chain of custody- I don’t think it’s realistic.
Once a gun (or anything for that matter) has been “certified” safe by the expert. Does it make sense to have the actor open the weapon, remove and inspect rounds, and then rechamber them? Could the armorer still deem that gun safe after someone else has de-chambered and then re-chambered rounds.
That just would not make sense to me at all. The weapon has been tampered with by a non-expert after being certified safe.