AKG K371 vs FiiO FT1

[ZolaIII]

The bass extension into the lower mids also worries me about these. Too warm/muddy?

And it's worse with FT1, take a look at solderdude review comparation graph (for FT1). Yes every deviation from target there will sound boomy. As planars don't produce pressure (almost at all) with such little of that there is actually desirable to try to emulate it with increase in energy.
Edit: usually referred as slam.

 

[RHO]

FiiO FT1 is not a planar, nor is the Denon D5200.

 

[ZolaIII]

FiiO FT1 is not a planar, nor is the Denon D5200.

But Audeze Maxwell and Dan Clark Stelth (to illustrate you what I am talking about) are.
FT1 and AH-D5200 are dynamic free edge and they don't really cope well under 30 Hz while AH-D5200 is far less pushed there, that's why FT1 compresses so much. It's still recommend to easy their burden there for both.

 

[RHO]

I see what you mean. It's indeed something to take in consideration.

 

[Pictus]

Anyone tried these with a dongle-DAC?

FT1 + MOONDROP DAWN PRO and works OK.

 

[RHO]

FT1 + MOONDROP DAWN PRO and works OK.

Nice to know. I've got the Dawn Pro too.

 

[FTB]

I just saw Oratory released his review of the FT1 :

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Too much bass, peaking at 5 KHz, reduced high treble.

I still prefer the K371 that is really a bargain :

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Cool, not a new pair of headphones to buy.
Instead I'll buy a second K371 just in case

Rtings bought the FT1 and will release their own measurements soon.

 

[markanini]

I just saw Oratory released his review of the FT1 :

Dropbox

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Too much bass, peaking at 5 KHz, reduced high treble.

I still prefer the K371 that is really a bargain :

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Cool, not a new pair of headphones to buy.
Instead I'll buy a second K371 just in case

Rtings bought the FT1 and will release their own measurements soon.

Reviewers will make you believe that Fiio FFT1 is the best budget closed back date if you take them on their word. It's good to touch grass with objective measurements, K371 is clearly the better allrounder.

 

[petebone]

Reviewers will make you believe that Fiio FFT1 is the best budget closed back date if you take them on their word. It's good to touch grass with objective measurements, K371 is clearly the better allrounder.

What if you have actually listened to both and like the FiiO better?

 

[FTB]

What if you have actually listened to both and like the FiiO better?

Just be serious and take a look at the measurements...

 

[FTB]

Reviewers will make you believe that Fiio FFT1 is the best budget closed back date if you take them on their word. It's good to touch grass with objective measurements, K371 is clearly the better allrounder.

Reviews without measurements are a bunch of hollow words without meaning.

 

[RHO]

Just be serious and take a look at the measurements...

So, the measurements determine @petebone his preferences? He doesn't know that he is wrong about his current preferences and should look at the measurements to fix that?

 

[sharock]

I have both and use EQ.

For my head, the K371 breaks seal too easily with slight movement, which impacts the bass. Therefore, I do not use the K371 anymore.

 

[markanini]

What if you have actually listened to both and like the FiiO better?

It's the same answer if someone preferred the other one of the two: Individual preference, fit, and listening habits. These are variability factors. The scope of my comment is about allround preferable tuning, between the two the overall frequency balance of K371 supports my conclusion. U-shaped tunings like that of FT1 are niche.

 

[FTB]

So, the measurements determine @petebone his preferences? He doesn't know that he is wrong about his current preferences and should look at the measurements to fix that?

No but I keep in mind that two third of people prefer the Harman curve so we can use the measurements as a majority basis for preference.

If you are a Harman person, it is obvious that this 5 KHz peak will damage your ears.

If you already tried some headphones like the Sennheiser HD560S or the Philips Fidelio X2HR or IEMs like the Truthear Zero (blue) you will know a peak in this area is unbearable.

The name of this forum is Audio Science review, I don't get why there is a need to claim that objective measurements are more interesting and valid than a subjective, personal and blind (no measurements) preference that will vary day to day according to our mood and psychoacoustics phenomenon.

Can I quote your quote ? “If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?” ― Sam Harris

 

[petebone]

No but I keep in mind that two third of people prefer the Harman curve so we can use the measurements as a majority basis for preference.

If you are a Harman person, it is obvious that this 5 KHz peak will damage your ears.

If you already tried some headphones like the Sennheiser HD560S or the Philips Fidelio X2HR or IEMs like the Truthear Zero (blue) you will know a peak in this area is unbearable.

The name of this forum is Audio Science review, I don't get why there is a need to claim that objective measurements are more interesting and valid than a subjective, personal and blind (no measurements) preference that will vary day to day according to our mood and psychoacoustics phenomenon.

Can I quote your quote ? “If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?” ―

No but I keep in mind that two third of people prefer the Harman curve so we can use the measurements as a majority basis for preference.

If you are a Harman person, it is obvious that this 5 KHz peak will damage your ears.

If you already tried some headphones like the Sennheiser HD560S or the Philips Fidelio X2HR or IEMs like the Truthear Zero (blue) you will know a peak in this area is unbearable.

The name of this forum is Audio Science review, I don't get why there is a need to claim that objective measurements are more interesting and valid than a subjective, personal and blind (no measurements) preference that will vary day to day according to our mood and psychoacoustics phenomenon.

Can I quote your quote ? “If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?” ― Sam Harr

No but I keep in mind that two third of people prefer the Harman curve so we can use the measurements as a majority basis for preference.

If you are a Harman person, it is obvious that this 5 KHz peak will damage your ears.

If you already tried some headphones like the Sennheiser HD560S or the Philips Fidelio X2HR or IEMs like the Truthear Zero (blue) you will know a peak in this area is unbearable.

The name of this forum is Audio Science review, I don't get why there is a need to claim that objective measurements are more interesting and valid than a subjective, personal and blind (no measurements) preference that will vary day to day according to our mood and psychoacoustics phenomenon.

Can I quote your quote ? “If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?” ― Sam Harris

Headphone measurements are not objective.

 

[flaviowolff]

If you already tried some headphones like the Sennheiser HD560S or the Philips Fidelio X2HR or IEMs like the Truthear Zero (blue) you will know a peak in this area is unbearable.

I love my HD560s, and prefer them without any EQ

 

[FTB]

Headphone measurements are not objective.

Yes they are as they can be repeated with the same results.
That's the definition of science.

I love my HD560s, and prefer them without any EQ

Maybe you are not a Harman person and that's fine. I like harman curve as I usually like the headphones which measure well on this target.
The HD560S was too shooty (treble peaking is obvious to the ears) and you can see this or these treble peak(s) on measurements made by Amir, DIYaudioheaven, Crinacle or Oratory.

I don't think that is for no reason that these famous reviewers use the harman target.

 

[RHO]

No but I keep in mind that two third of people prefer the Harman curve so we can use the measurements as a majority basis for preference.

If you are a Harman person, it is obvious that this 5 KHz peak will damage your ears.

If you already tried some headphones like the Sennheiser HD560S or the Philips Fidelio X2HR or IEMs like the Truthear Zero (blue) you will know a peak in this area is unbearable.

The name of this forum is Audio Science review, I don't get why there is a need to claim that objective measurements are more interesting and valid than a subjective, personal and blind (no measurements) preference that will vary day to day according to our mood and psychoacoustics phenomenon.

Can I quote your quote ? “If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?” ― Sam Harris

So he doesn't have the right to have a personal preference that strays from the majority, because your preference falls within that majority?

Objective data says very little about individual preference.

I think you are a little confused about the science and what the objective data means.

And yes, you use that quote. It's a very intelligent one.

 

[Ufasas]

snatched good condition used k371 for 62~, thomann has new for £125, i guess a steal, i wanted a different akg headphone other than wireless or openback, and didn't want pay 100+ for Ft1