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AIYIMA A70 Stereo Amplifier Review

Rate this amplifier:

  • 1. Poor (headless panther)

    Votes: 16 3.9%
  • 2. Not terrible (postman panther)

    Votes: 41 9.9%
  • 3. Fine (happy panther)

    Votes: 194 46.7%
  • 4. Great (golfing panther)

    Votes: 164 39.5%

  • Total voters
    415
I recommend a performance improvement method. It requires soldering skills. The cable of the added GAN power supply is quite long but very thin. I shortened it to a length of 20 cm and soldered a DC power plug to it. So it is even more energetic at high volume/dynamics, there is not so much loss. :)
 
I recommend a performance improvement method. It requires soldering skills. The cable of the added GAN power supply is quite long but very thin. I shortened it to a length of 20 cm and soldered a DC power plug to it. So it is even more energetic at high volume/dynamics, there is not so much loss. :)
Hi, thanks. Maybe for somebody who has the skill and time, but I'm not gonna spend any time on this. Anyway, it's all been superceded by events. Got an audiophonics 5 channel amp for 500 euros. The c70s set me back 500 from amazon, so in end I got the package for 1000. I know I could've bought an x3800h, but it was too big. The new 5 channel amp is hidden away behind the TV. No issues at all with sound. It's a very good combo together with Ma8000 preamp. Cheers!
 
Dear @amirm , please answer me one question already. When you measured the A70 with an artificial load (4 and 8 ohms), you measured power, then how long was the measurement time? Did the final stage have time to warm up? Do you know the sinusoidal 2x 100+ Watts for a 4 ohm load? Thanks for the answers. If someone else has tested it this way, I thank them too. (I wonder if it can even maintain a sinusoidal 2x100w/4 ohm power in the long term with the 48v/5A gan power supply? Does it not overheat or distort? Thanks.
 
Dear @amirm , please answer me one question already. When you measured the A70 with an artificial load (4 and 8 ohms), you measured power, then how long was the measurement time? Did the final stage have time to warm up? Do you know the sinusoidal 2x 100+ Watts for a 4 ohm load? Thanks for the answers. If someone else has tested it this way, I thank them too. (I wonder if it can even maintain a sinusoidal 2x100w/4 ohm power in the long term with the 48v/5A gan power supply? Does it not overheat or distort? Thanks.
Amir's power test is not a long term test. However, the testing typically does take long enough to dissipate significant power in the output stage.

You might find this thread interesting which goes into (LOTS OF) detail of long term full power tests.

 
Amir's power test is not a long term test. However, the testing typically does take long enough to dissipate significant power in the output stage.

You might find this thread interesting which goes into (LOTS OF) detail of long term full power tests.

Unfortunately, I can't measure at home. I would have been interested to know how many Watts of real sinusoidal power the A70 can continuously maintain at 4 or 8 ohms, in long-term operation. How much can reality be? For example, is it capable of 2x70W / 4Ohm sinusoidal power for hours?
Thanks
 
Unfortunately, I can't measure at home. I would have been interested to know how many Watts of real sinusoidal power the A70 can continuously maintain at 4 or 8 ohms, in long-term operation. How much can reality be? For example, is it capable of 2x70W / 4Ohm sinusoidal power for hours?
Thanks
This isn't tested here.

If you read the thread, you'll find Amir repeatedly explaining why this is not needed for real use audio amps, and why he doesn't do ti. And other people explaining why they believe it should be tested anyway.

Bottom line - it will never be tested here. If the test information is needed, it should be done by the manufacturer.
 
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This isn't tested here.

If you read the thread, you'll find Amir repeatedly explaining why this is not needed for real use audio amps. And other people explaining why they believe it should be tested anyway.

Bottom line - it will never be tested here. If the test information is needed, it should be done by the manufacturer.
If anyone has done a similar test on the A70, please write about your experience. Thank you.

one more thing: Is the A70's 48V/5A power supply capable of 200-250 Watts in continuous operation or not?
 
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The a70 12V regulator type I need it, please help me, which type of 12v regulator is it equipped with? LM2596HVS-12, or another type? It really doesn't matter. Thanks to anyone who helps me...
 
The a70 12V regulator type I need it, please help me, which type of 12v regulator is it equipped with? LM2596HVS-12, or another type? It really doesn't matter. Thanks to anyone who helps me...
The LDO linear regulator uses the LM7812 model, while the DC-DC switching regulator uses the SSP9459.
 
The LDO linear regulator uses the LM7812 model, while the DC-DC switching regulator uses the SSP9459.
Dear @AIYIMA Aiyima, everyone! I would like to ask, is the frequency of the TPA3255 in the A70 circuit set to 450 or 600 kHz? Thanks to anyone who can help me.
 
I would like to ask, is the frequency of the TPA3255 in the A70 circuit set to 450 or 600 kHz? Thanks to anyone who can help me.
Can you help with what?
What do you need all this data for?
Do they provide a better listening experience?
Or do you need the data for reverse engineering?
 
Can you help with what?
What do you need all this data for?
Do they provide a better listening experience?
Or do you need the data for reverse engineering?
If I knew, I might try it on a different frequency. For example, if it's 450 kHz, I'd listen to it on 600 kHz. Just curious. Has anyone checked/tested it yet?
 
If I knew, I might try it on a different frequency. For example, if it's 450 kHz, I'd listen to it on 600 kHz. Just curious. Has anyone checked/tested it yet?
Surely if you know how to change it you know how to find out yourself.
 
Surely if you know how to change it you know how to find out yourself.
Sorry, but I asked the question in the topic specifically to ask the members what their experience is. Then I'll decide whether to start or not. For now, I'm curious whether it runs at 600 or 450 kHz from the factory. I'm posting to ask for help and experience first. Thanks.
 
My hypothesis on why the unbalanced RCA has worse S/N performance than the balanced XLR:

The marketing for this amp says it is "fully balanced" meaning that each balanced input drives a L+/L- and R+/R- pair of amplifiers, bridge-tied, in the four-amp total TPA3255

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In order to use a single-ended input, a single-ended to balanced conversion must take place, using an op-amp per channel to invert one of the inputs to drive the "-" side of the balanced amp. In other words the S/N and THD of that additional op-amp is added to the output, resulting in worse performance.

Normally, the opposite is seen -- that is, the internal circuitry is single-ended, and additional inversion/buffer (to create balanced output) or a differential amp (on input) is needed, to convert balanced external signals to unbalanced internal signals, which raises (doubles) S/N and THD compared to an unbalanced circuit feeding single-ended audio circuitry.

PS: I just ordered the last standalone A70 from amazon (-20% $135.20 -- though now it says there's still 1 available) and a 10A power supply (-13% $69.99) which will arrive on Thursday. Concerned that if i wait longer, the prices will go up, or that such Chifi will become unattainable due to trade war. I'm being especially cheezy because I'm pairing this with renewed $95.99 Micca MB42X G2... but this is for my bedroom system, for which that level of power is overkill. I guess I should be pairing it with more expensive speakers, and maybe I will, if I return the Micca's, or end up getting a bunk "renewed" speaker. Since the speakers arrive later than the amp, I will probably have to see how the A70 compares temporarily replacing my Hypex NC400 monoblocks on my main system.
 
My hypothesis on why the unbalanced RCA has worse S/N performance than the balanced XLR:

The marketing for this amp says it is "fully balanced" meaning that each balanced input drives a L+/L- and R+/R- pair of amplifiers, bridge-tied, in the four-amp total TPA3255

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In order to use a single-ended input, a single-ended to balanced conversion must take place, using an op-amp per channel to invert one of the inputs to drive the "-" side of the balanced amp. In other words the S/N and THD of that additional op-amp is added to the output, resulting in worse performance.

Normally, the opposite is seen -- that is, the internal circuitry is single-ended, and additional inversion/buffer (to create balanced output) or a differential amp (on input) is needed, to convert balanced external signals to unbalanced internal signals, which raises (doubles) S/N and THD compared to an unbalanced circuit feeding single-ended audio circuitry.

PS: I just ordered the last standalone A70 from amazon (-20% $135.20 -- though now it says there's still 1 available) and a 10A power supply (-13% $69.99) which will arrive on Thursday. Concerned that if i wait longer, the prices will go up, or that such Chifi will become unattainable due to trade war. I'm being especially cheezy because I'm pairing this with renewed $95.99 Micca MB42X G2... but this is for my bedroom system, for which that level of power is overkill. I guess I should be pairing it with more expensive speakers, and maybe I will, if I return the Micca's, or end up getting a bunk "renewed" speaker. Since the speakers arrive later than the amp, I will probably have to see how the A70 compares temporarily replacing my Hypex NC400 monoblocks on my main system.

The "sinad" of a single op amp stage should be orders of magnitude better than that of the power amp. It should therefore make almost no difference.

The difference in performance between RCA and XLR is normally simply due to the lower voltage of the balanced input. Typically 2V instead of 4V. For the same output level tehre must be 6dB of extra gain in the system - which also increases the noise by around 6dB. Since SINAD at the 5W it is measured at is normally noise dominated - that is the typical reason - and we always see XLR being better regardless of whether it is a balanced architecture in the amp or not.

However, in this case we are seeing a significant increase in harmonic distortion, particularly 2nd harmonic. It could be down to a bad implementation of that rebalancing circuit - or could be some other issue in the input circuit.
 
So I received the A70 and 10A supply from Amazon. Hooked it up to one channel of my system, the other powered by a hypex nc400 monoblock I constructed years ago, having paid careful attention to its potentially problematic inputs w/r/t RF interference and the lack of adequate RF rejection (which can alias against the switching frequency of the hypex), and also using RF-rejecting XLR interconnects i built. I've never actually A/B'd this amp to see if it sounds as good and clean as I've been used to for years.

I was prepared to be disappointed that the nc400's were going to sound exactly the same as this cheap amplifier. But that is absolutely not the case. The nc400 sounds significantly, night-and-day better. Bass is slammier and punchier and properly beefy like I expected it to be. The bass on the A70 sounds much thinner, slower, and less substantial than the other channel. The Hypex highs sound clearer and audiofilier, while the A70 has a bit of a class-D car-stereo or class-D boombox feel -- slightly grittier highs. Overall it sound like I'm listening through a fog or haze on the A70 while the Hypex is crystal clear sounding.

Now obviously everybody's going to say it's psychological, as I must be in some kind of love relationship with my hand-assembled carefully routed and length-minimized and power-twisted cabling soldered to connectors on the monoblocks. That may be true, in which case. it's the best damn placebo effect ever!

I used the balance on RME ADI-2 PRO FS R to switch between amplifiers. The level on the A70 is significantly lower than the NC400, so you have to volume adjust, which I did by ear, but I guess I can be scientific by looking up the amplification level of the NC400 versus A70 -- anybody have those figures handy?

So once I do that (or just use my phone as a level meter), I can make a final determination if the significant difference I can hear is more than just a bad level adjustment on my part. [[And I just double-checked that I didn't do this A/B-ing and level-adjusting with RME's "loudness" enabled -- it was off -- because that would have explained why the bass sounded so much better on the hypex. But no -- it's real -- the bass on the Hypex is proper, and on the A70 it is thin, slow, and doesn't slam.

But right now I guess this what a brand-new SOTA mass-consumer class-D amp sounds like, and I significantly prefer my old Hypex. Just wanted to report an initial reaction.

So now I get to decide whether this is good enough for my bedroom system, where maybe I won't care about depth and slamminess of bass? Or do I return it via Amazon and try something else?

Hey @amirm -- any chance you can test slew-rate on these amplifiers or show what a 20-60 Hz square wave looks like into a reactive load? Likewise, that's a more interesting thing to measure, IMHO, when op-amp rolling. For example the
LME49720 replaces the NE5532 with higher slew rate. I wonder if that would sound different, even if steady-state measurements end up being nearly the same -- which is as expected because of the general theoretical property of op-amps and feedback in control circuits. But music isn't a steady-state sine-wave, and the performance of op-amps with real world signals and potentially reactive loads is much different from theory and assumptions of infinite bandwidth and infinite speed-of-light (e.g. ringing). For example a faster "better" op-amp could potentially induce ringing that wouldn't be seen in a more pedestrian circuit. So it's possible "drop in" op amp rolling may produce non-optimal results as ringing compensation circuitry would need to be tuned to a specific op-amp's gain-bandwidth and gain-bandwidth-flatness: https://www.analog.com/media/en/training-seminars/tutorials/MT-045.pdf

Thus the request for a low-frequency square wave.

Also wondering how many capacitors are in the signal-path on the A70 -- because the bass sounds like it's not DC-coupled, unlike the rest of my system (RME ADI-2 PRO FS R --> Hypex NC400). Note the Hypex spec sheet says: "To achieve optimal signal coupling, the audio signal inputs are all DC coupled." That IMHO is why the bass on the original system sounds proper and the A70 sounds like a capacitor. I specifically selected a DC-coupled system because I hate the sound of capacitors in the signal path (other than a speaker crossover where it doesn't matter because it's feeding the tweeter).
 
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