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AIYIMA A20 Stereo 2.1 Amplifier Review

Rate this amplifier:

  • 1. Poor (headless panther)

    Votes: 10 4.3%
  • 2. Not terrible (postman panther)

    Votes: 38 16.5%
  • 3. Fine (happy panther)

    Votes: 121 52.4%
  • 4. Great (golfing panther)

    Votes: 62 26.8%

  • Total voters
    231
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Isn't this chart saying that SINAD at 1Khz 5w@4ohm is around 86dB?
But then the initial measures say it is 93-94dB? What am I missing here?
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Isn't this chart saying that SINAD at 1Khz 5w@4ohm is around 86dB?
But then the initial measures say it is 93-94dB? What am I missing here?
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likely different measurement bandwidth.

The THD+N vs Power sweeps likely use higher BW than the dashboard, so that even the 20kHz sweep can be measured with plently of its harmonics included.

Higher BW always means lower SINAD. The more ultrasonic content the DUT produces, the greater the SINAD hit when increasing BW.
 
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Isn't this chart saying that SINAD at 1Khz 5w@4ohm is around 86dB?
But then the initial measures say it is 93-94dB? What am I missing here?
Thank you @hipoagu, Yes, good observation :=)
This is the THD+N vs Power Graph and the 5kHz/86dB (45kHz/BW) is about 1.5W Output (ie much >0.451V Input)
  • It is suggested that Ultrasonics are not audioable although and perhaps consider Downward Harmonic/Noise Decay and the interaction with the LC modulation (IMD). PFFB is designed to correct these interactions. The Multitone 19k/20kHz Graph will hopefully show the Implemented Effectiveness, reasonable? If not Effective then the AMP will show Non-Linearity, reasonable?
The other is the THD+N vs Freq Graph where the Power is much less than 1W (0.451V Input and 20-20kHz/BW (ie nothing >22.4kHz and note that 22.5kHz is a downward harmonic of 45 kHz, reasonable?)
 
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Isn't this chart saying that SINAD at 1Khz 5w@4ohm is around 86dB?
But then the initial measures say it is 93-94dB? What am I missing here?
As noted, the bandwidth for the dashboard is half as much so integrates less noise and distortion into THD+N computation (22.4 kHz vs 45 kHz).
 
I mentioned earlier that I measured the frequency response of the Aiyima A20 driving a speaker with and without the high pass filter engaged. Here is a plot of the amp driving a CDT Audio wide band speaker pod over the range 20-300 Hz. The filter plot is green. This looks like a 6 dB/octave filter based on calculating the difference between the two plots.
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Seeing this makes me regret my purchase even more. What with the somewhat fraudulent optimistic power output claims and a not very useful HPF for sub integration, which was a big claim on their website, I am feeling like Aiyima dishonestly represented exaggerated the benefits of this product.

Edited after consideration of clearer explanations from other forum users.
 
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Seeing this makes me regret my purchase even more. What with the somewhat fraudulent power output claims and a not very useful HPF for sub integration, which was a big claim on their website, I am feeling like Aiyima dishonestly represented this product.
Keep in mind that for use as a desktop amplifier in a simple system, the A20 is OK. I can hear a reduction in distortion with small speakers when I switch the high pass filter in. If your goal is to put together a high fidelity system, then no, the A20 misses the mark but at current Black Friday pricing it is competitive. When priced closer to $200, I agree it is not a great choice. I regret buying mine from that standpoint but I also have fun measuring and testing this equipment so there is some value in that for me.

Knowing what I know now, I will use mine with a Dayton DSP-408 to set crossover frequency because I already have one I purchased before prices got ridiculous with tariffs. I will sacrifice some SNR that way but it will be good enough for a higher performance desktop system. If I knew the high pass filter was only 6 dB/octave ahead of time, I would have purchased the Fosi V3 Mono bundle currently on sale for $230 or the 3E Audio A7 Stereo amp.
 
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Seeing this makes me regret my purchase even more. What with the somewhat fraudulent power output claims and a not very useful HPF for sub integration, which was a big claim on their website, I am feeling like Aiyima dishonestly represented this product.
I mean yeah, if all you needed was a single pole highpass, you could just as well use a single inline capacitor between devices, and calculate its value by desired corner frequency and input and output impedances of your gear.

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Close enough lul
 
No need to ask Aiyima. Here is Amir's measurement.
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Here is the calculated response of a 1st order HPF with 80 Hz cutoff frequency. The filter in the unit Amir tested was 1st order.
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Python:
import numpy as np
from scipy import signal as signal
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt

norder = 1
hpf = signal.butter(norder, 1.0, btype='high', analog=True)  # For the filter, cutoff frequency is normalized to 1

wc = 80.0  # Actual required filter cutoff frequency
w = np.logspace(np.log10(10.0), np.log10(100000), 200) / wc
w, h = signal.freqs(*hpf, worN=w)
ymin, ymax, ystep = (-5.0, 5.0, 1.0)

fig, ax = plt.subplots(figsize=(8, 6))
ax.semilogx(wc*w, 20 * np.log10(abs(h)), '-', markersize=2, markeredgecolor='k')
ax.set_title('Butterworth order {:d} HPF frequency response'.format(norder))
ax.set_xlabel('Frequency, Hz')
ax.set_ylabel('Amplitude, dB')
ax.set_yticks(np.linspace(ymin, ymax, int((ymax-ymin)/ystep)+1))
ax.set_ylim(ymin, ymax)
ax.margins(0, 0.1)
ax.grid(which='both', axis='both')
ax.axvline(wc, color='green', lw=1, ls='--')
ax.axhline(0, color='k', lw=1)
fig.savefig('hpf_fr.png')
plt.show()
 
Seeing this makes me regret my purchase even more. What with the somewhat fraudulent power output claims and a not very useful HPF for sub integration, which was a big claim on their website, I am feeling like Aiyima dishonestly represented this product.
I'm feeling like Amir should start putting a disclaimer on his reviews as this needs to be noted in almost every amplifier review it seems: the way Amir rates power is not how any manufacturer (or any other reviewer to my knowledge) rates power and you can't compare Amir's power rating to anyone else's. It's also somewhat iffy to compare between Amir's reviews as his method of taking power at the "knee", where the amp's distortion starts to increase rapidly, is inherently subjective and done by eyeball. To be clear, I have no issue with Amir's method as I understand the reasoning and it's consistent enough between reviews, but it does cause this issue where Amir's ratings are often very different from the manufacturer's specifications and we get these comments.

Let's look at the actual graphs shall we:

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I'm unclear why there isn't agreement between the max power bar chart and the power versus distortion chart, as we can plainly see that the amp reaches about 200W before hitting 1% distortion (-40dB THD+N). Rating power at 1% distortion is common. We are still short of the 250W rating, but I don't see in Aiyama's specs how they did the rating so it may have been taking at an even higher distortion figure.

While not specifying the conditions for the power rating is bad practice, based on the graph this amp almost certainly can put out 250W into 4ohms as long as you allow for a fair amount of distortion.
 
I'm feeling like Amir should start putting a disclaimer on his reviews as this needs to be noted in almost every amplifier review it seems: the way Amir rates power is not how any manufacturer (or any other reviewer to my knowledge) rates power and you can't compare Amir's power rating to anyone else's. It's also somewhat iffy to compare between Amir's reviews as his method of taking power at the "knee", where the amp's distortion starts to increase rapidly, is inherently subjective and done by eyeball. To be clear, I have no issue with Amir's method as I understand the reasoning and it's consistent enough between reviews, but it does cause this issue where Amir's ratings are often very different from the manufacturer's specifications and we get these comments.

Let's look at the actual graphs shall we:

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I'm unclear why there isn't agreement between the max power bar chart and the power versus distortion chart, as we can plainly see that the amp reaches about 200W before hitting 1% distortion (-40dB THD+N). Rating power at 1% distortion is common. We are still short of the 250W rating, but I don't see in Aiyama's specs how they did the rating so it may have been taking at an even higher distortion figure.

While not specifying the conditions for the power rating is bad practice, based on the graph this amp almost certainly can put out 250W into 4ohms as long as you allow for a fair amount of distortion.
Aiyima claimed 150W per channel into 8ohms with 1% distortion using the 48V/10A power supply. I cannot see that this is the case. Perhaps my reading of Amir’s graphs is incorrect.
 
Aiyima claimed 150W per channel into 8ohms with 1% distortion using the 48V/10A power supply. I cannot see that this is the case. Perhaps my reading of Amir’s graphs is incorrect.
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It looks like we are getting a bit more than 100W into 8ohms on Amir's testing at 1%. Still falls a bit short of the spec, but pretty close and it's possible that different test conditions could give different results. Doesn't look at all like the specs are fraudulent to me.
 
Why is this called a 2.1 amp? Its a stereo amp with a sub out nothing else.
 
I think the way Amir tests is fine. I gives us a consistent approach no matter what the manufacturer claims. I would rather have that than ask him to tweak his approach. I also agree with publishing actual power output at less than 1% distortion.
 
I think the way Amir tests is fine. I gives us a consistent approach no matter what the manufacturer claims.
Yes, I tried to make clear that I have no issue with how Amir does his testing. Its more about people seeing Amir's power ratings and noting (correctly) that they are often very different than the manufacturer's specs without understanding that they aren't comparable.
 
As noted, the bandwidth for the dashboard is half as much so integrates less noise and distortion into THD+N computation (22.4 kHz vs 45 kHz).
Ah yes, double measurement bandwidth will add up noise and distorsion and no signal, i understand.
I am newby on this... May i ask why this test runs thd+n measurement on 45khz bandwidth?
I supose the purpose of this chart is finding the curve bending point as a function of outout power for different frequencies, so Y-axis scale does not matter much if it is about finding the usable power before thd+n starts increasing dramatically.
But just for my understanding, would it make sense that thd+n (y axis) was mesured in the audible range up to 20khz, as the initial measurement did? (Then initial thd+N test for 5W o 8ohm would be a particular point in this chart)

Thanks!
 
@AIYIMA can you confirm the dB/octave filter used in this amp please.
The high-pass filter (HPF) is 12 dB/octave, and the low-pass filter (LPF) is 24 dB/octave. Initially, we planned to make the HPF 24 dB/octave, but due to the difficulty of ensuring potentiometer consistency in a fully balanced circuit, after multiple tests and adjustments, we ultimately changed the HPF to 12 dB/octave. We sincerely apologize for any confusion this may have caused.

This is the high-pass filter response curve measured in our lab using professional AP instruments, provided for your reference.
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The high-pass filter (HPF) is 12 dB/octave, and the low-pass filter (LPF) is 24 dB/octave. Initially, we planned to make the HPF 24 dB/octave, but due to the difficulty of ensuring potentiometer consistency in a fully balanced circuit, after multiple tests and adjustments, we ultimately changed the HPF to 12 dB/octave. We sincerely apologize for any confusion this may have caused.

This is the high-pass filter response curve measured in our lab using professional AP instruments, provided for your reference.
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Hi, sorry ... what Low Pass Filter? I missed that, how is this implemented? Thanks
 
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