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Aiyima’s First Streaming Music Player — First Look!

No analog outputs? I know it's a streamer but not having to use an external dac would be a nice thing. I guess it's a way of keeping the cost down.

Cheers.
 
T&T said:
Wonder if you can roll up opamps
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JSmith said:
A pointless exercise, don't waste your time.
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It doesn't have any analog ins or outs. I wonder what the opamps would be for.

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Rider said:
The first Android device I bought was a tablet about 10 years ago. That went in the bin 9 years and 11month ago. Then I had an aftermarket car stereo baeed on Android installed in an older truck of mine two years ago. Absolute trash! And whenever I have to operate an Android cell phone I simply get the creeps. All in all Android is giving a horrible user experience, so I stay away from it where ever I can.
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I've used Android tablets since the ancient Google tablet running Android 2.x. I rooted it when it stopped getting OS upgrades and got a couple of extra years out of it. I've never had a problem with one. I also have a Oneplus phone that I love. Oh, the first Android device I had, 15 years ago, was a Samsung phone without the phone mp3 player that played FLAC files and introduced me to Bubbleupnp, my favorite music player app. There is plenty of robust hardware around that runs Android. Most of the sub $100 tablets, etc. are junk. For $200 from a known decent company you can get a device that does web browsing, email, etc. You have to pay more for something that runs graphics and processor intensive things like a lot of games. Apple hardware is very good. You also pay a premium for it. Judging by my wife's relationship with her iphone, it's not perfect.
 
I'm very interested in this device, has anyone been able to find an expected sales price (for the U.S.)?

To me, the choice to base this on Android is a huge plus, but I am a long term Android device user.
 
My guess is price will be between $400 and $700. It should be able to offer the same functionality you can achieve with a $100 RPi4/Moode setup. :cool:
 
amper42 said:
My guess is price will be between $400 and $700. It should be able to offer the same functionality you can achieve with a $100 RPi4/Moode setup. :cool:
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these Android based players are the only ones with Apple Music support. doesn’t matter to non-AM users but this price range would make it (I think) the cheapest player with native AM support.
 
amper42 said:
My guess is price will be between $400 and $700. It should be able to offer the same functionality you can achieve with a $100 RPi4/Moode setup. :cool:
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I'm currently using the $100 RPi4/Moode setup (maybe you noticed that :) ) - It works fairly well, but I am also using a 12-year old Windows 10 laptop to run my Jellyfin server (same storage that the RPi4/Moode accesses) and I am considering something like this to replace that, although running Jellyfin server on Android is hit and miss. I would be in at $400-$500 but above that and I would probably not.
 
masterhw said:
curious why that’s a dealbreaker?
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Well, Google ...

While Android can be almost bearable on a phone, in my experience it is unspeakably awful on TVs, 'AndroidTV' and other media devices and tablets in every which way imaginable. And that is even if you can accept Google's egregious spying ... which I can't.
 
Not looking to get into an argument about Google's spying versus every other vendor, but I believe the reason Android doesn't work so well on some non-phone devices is due to the lack of RAM provided in those devices. Aiyma is claiming 8GB of RAM in this device, and that should allow it to run much better than the cheap Android TV devices with ~2GB RAM.

Also, one reason companies like Aiyma and HiBy and others use versions of Android that are not the latest is they generally modify their builds substantially to somewhat de-Google it and to enhance audio operation that bypasses the Android limitations.
 
Have to be under 300.00 to compete with Wiim ultra streamer, otherwise people will buy Wiim, I hope don't have any dac built in to be cheaper
 
T&T said:
Have to be under 300.00 to compete with Wiim ultra streamer, otherwise people will buy Wiim, I hope don't have any dac built in to be cheaper
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This product is aiming to compete with other Android based streamers like the Eversolo and FiiO offerings. This class of streamer runs the native Android app for the music sources, and is usually considered the most fully featured. WiiM Ultra is great and ticks almost all the boxes for $300, this one ticks the rest for hopefully only a bit more.
 
Barrelhouse Solly said:
I've used Android tablets since the ancient Google tablet running Android 2.x.
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That seems wrong - I don't think Google released their own brand tablet until the Nexus 7 with Android 4.1. Before that they worked with a different OEM for the first/reference device of each major Android release. Android 3 (Honeycomb) was the first version to include tablet-specific functionality, and for that it was Motorola with the Xoom - coincidentally I fired it up yesterday for the first time in years. Updates for that ran out at 4.0.4 I think - I keep meaning to see if there's enough mainstream Tegra 2 support to get it running a pure linux, but the stuff needed to replace the default recovery may have disappeared by now. Anyway with Android 2.x it was probably a Galaxy Tab or an Amazon Fire tablet - or one of the many cheap and nasty tablets that appeared from unknown Chinese manufacturers. Samsung and Amazon made some custom stuff to make android work better on tablets, but the cheaper ones were mostly stock with poor user experience. I've no experience with the recent Android tablets.

My worry with Android on streamers (and almost anything else to be fair) is long term support - will they keep up with security updates and major version updates, and if so for how long? Any info on that @AIYIMA?
 
This sounds like it might be a good device. I have a Wiim mini that I like a lot. I use the optical output into a DAC so SQ is fine. Because I'm a geek and enjoy fooling with software and hardware my favorite approach is a Raspberry Pi with Moode Audio or LMS. It's not an appliance. For me that's good because I like descending into the black hole of semi DIY streaming. I think installing and configuring software is fun, especially if you get to use a command line. I can understand that a lot of people would prefer something they can plug in and use without fooling around with it.
 
somebodyelse said:
That seems wrong - I don't think Google released their own brand tablet until the Nexus 7 with Android 4.1. Before that they worked with a different OEM for the first/reference device of each major Android release. Android 3 (Honeycomb) was the first version to include tablet-specific functionality, and for that it was Motorola with the Xoom - coincidentally I fired it up yesterday for the first time in years. Updates for that ran out at 4.0.4 I think - I keep meaning to see if there's enough mainstream Tegra 2 support to get it running a pure linux, but the stuff needed to replace the default recovery may have disappeared by now. Anyway with Android 2.x it was probably a Galaxy Tab or an Amazon Fire tablet - or one of the many cheap and nasty tablets that appeared from unknown Chinese manufacturers. Samsung and Amazon made some custom stuff to make android work better on tablets, but the cheaper ones were mostly stock with poor user experience. I've no experience with the recent Android tablets.

My worry with Android on streamers (and almost anything else to be fair) is long term support - will they keep up with security updates and major version updates, and if so for how long? Any info on that @AIYIMA?
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I think you're right right about the Nexus 7.
 
somebodyelse said:
That seems wrong - I don't think Google released their own brand tablet until the Nexus 7 with Android 4.1. Before that they worked with a different OEM for the first/reference device of each major Android release. Android 3 (Honeycomb) was the first version to include tablet-specific functionality, and for that it was Motorola with the Xoom - coincidentally I fired it up yesterday for the first time in years. Updates for that ran out at 4.0.4 I think - I keep meaning to see if there's enough mainstream Tegra 2 support to get it running a pure linux, but the stuff needed to replace the default recovery may have disappeared by now. Anyway with Android 2.x it was probably a Galaxy Tab or an Amazon Fire tablet - or one of the many cheap and nasty tablets that appeared from unknown Chinese manufacturers. Samsung and Amazon made some custom stuff to make android work better on tablets, but the cheaper ones were mostly stock with poor user experience. I've no experience with the recent Android tablets.

My worry with Android on streamers (and almost anything else to be fair) is long term support - will they keep up with security updates and major version updates, and if so for how long? Any info on that @AIYIMA?
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We’re continuously improving our products — adding new features and fixing bugs through regular updates. Your feedback is very important to us, as it helps us optimize and enhance our products even faster. We also welcome your supervision and suggestions at any time.
 
AIYIMA said:
We’re continuously improving our products — adding new features and fixing bugs through regular updates. Your feedback is very important to us, as it helps us optimize and enhance our products even faster. We also welcome your supervision and suggestions at any time.
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That's good to know, but some specifics would be even better. Something like Fairphone's support details, or Samsung and Google promising 7 years of updates from launch date for their phones.
 
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