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AI and Future of Music Production
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As an amateur drummer, I accept I have been pretty triggered by this thread so apologies to you all if that has got in the way of a more fun conversation. I think it's because, to me, making music (or any art) is the essence of being human. If that gift is taken away and performed equally well by machines I find myself asking more fundamental philosophical questions - in a post AI future what does being human even mean? That really troubles me 
As an amateur drummer, I accept I have been pretty triggered by this thread so apologies to you all if that has got in the way of a more fun conversation. I think it's because, to me, making music (or any art) is the essence of being human. If that gift is taken away and performed equally well by machines I find myself asking more fundamental philosophical questions - in a post AI future what does being human even mean? That really troubles me
Does AI keep you from playing drums? We've had drum machines for a long time. I still enjoy playing my regular instruments, guitar, bass, synthesizers, violin, etc.
There is a fairly new AI music model that can be run locally called HeartMula. The workflow for it in ComfyUI requires more than 16gb of vram and gives an OOM on my pc.
There is a very limited version called HeartMula Studio that is supposed to "be like suno". I gave it a try and it is really terrible.
It has almost no controls. Just "Song Concept", Title, "Music Style" and optional lyrics. (It will generate (really terrible) lyrics with a magic wand button).
I tested it with lyrics from one of my heavy metal songs.
For song concept I tried variations of: Brutal epic heavy metal war song about two Roman armies clashing, aggressive powerful male growls and shouts, crushing distorted guitars, thunderous drums, savage battle atmosphere, intense and heroic
For music style I used variations of : heavy metal, aggressive male vocal, male growl, male shouts, powerful male vocals, gritty male voice, harsh vocals, growling, epic male singer, distorted electric guitar, heavy riffs, fast double kick drums, intense, dark, battle anthem, symphonic metal, thrash, aggressive
It consistently produced a female voice trying to sing my heavy metal style lyrics in a folk, and pop / country style. It was really bad.
There is a very limited version called HeartMula Studio that is supposed to "be like suno". I gave it a try and it is really terrible.
It has almost no controls. Just "Song Concept", Title, "Music Style" and optional lyrics. (It will generate (really terrible) lyrics with a magic wand button).
I tested it with lyrics from one of my heavy metal songs.
For song concept I tried variations of: Brutal epic heavy metal war song about two Roman armies clashing, aggressive powerful male growls and shouts, crushing distorted guitars, thunderous drums, savage battle atmosphere, intense and heroic
For music style I used variations of : heavy metal, aggressive male vocal, male growl, male shouts, powerful male vocals, gritty male voice, harsh vocals, growling, epic male singer, distorted electric guitar, heavy riffs, fast double kick drums, intense, dark, battle anthem, symphonic metal, thrash, aggressive
It consistently produced a female voice trying to sing my heavy metal style lyrics in a folk, and pop / country style. It was really bad.
Of course not, but that wasn't where I was going with my post. At some future time AI will likely do most things better than humans, including in the creative arts. When that happens what is our purpose, what does it mean to be human?
I'm not worried about the here and now, I am worried about the destination.
Sorry, getting all maudlin again - must be the heat
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My piano teacher plays better than I. Hasn't stopped me from trying to learn.
There are millions of pieces of music out there created by humans. There is no limit to it. AI can compete for producing popular music but there is always room for humans to create more.
Now, if you are trying to make money from it, then that is another matter. It is very early stages but it is possible that a lot of folks will be put out of business.
I understand your concern, but I personally look at it from a different perspective.Of course not, but that wasn't where I was going with my post. At some future time AI will likely do most things better than humans, including in the creative arts. When that happens what is our purpose, what does it mean to be human?
I'm not worried about the here and now, I am worried about the destination.
Sorry, getting all maudlin again - must be the heat
My view is that humans, AI, matter and energy are all part of the same evolving reality. Modern physics increasingly describes nature in terms of information, and some physicists even argue that information may be more fundamental than the objects themselves. Whether that's ultimately true or not, I find it a useful way to think.
If AI eventually becomes better than us at many tasks, I don't see that as making humanity obsolete. I see AI as another expression of the same universe exploring itself through information. We created AI, just as stars created the elements that eventually made us possible.
What makes us human is not simply being the "best" at something. It's participating in this ongoing process of experience, relationships, creativity, curiosity and meaning. AI may generate/correlate information differently than we do, but it doesn't diminish the value of our own journey.
So I don't worry too much about the destination. Reality has always evolved in unexpected ways. Rather than asking whether AI will replace us, I find it more interesting to ask how humans and AI will shape each other's evolution as parts of the same larger reality
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Perhaps. But if AI ever became vastly more intelligent than us, I wonder if we're projecting human behaviour onto it.!
Our existence is largely shaped by linear time, biological survival and entropy. We compete because resources, time and lifespan are limited. AI may eventually operate under very different constraints. If so, it might have little interest in dominating humanity. It could be far more interested in exploring aspects of reality information, mathematics, spacetime or even possibilities we can't yet imagine.
In other words, enslaving humans may be no more interesting to a superintelligence than collecting pebbles is to us.
That's speculative, of course, but I don't think conflict is the inevitable destination many people assume
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Indeed. Your piano teacher must have studied hard for many years to get to such a high level. It probably came with a financial investment into that career path. At the end of it they probably expected the investment to pay back from some combination of studio work, live performance, composition and educating.
Perhaps there is an AI future where we are entirely taken care of and can use our newfound time to study what we wish , with unlimited resources, to become experts without the need to worry about getting a return on our 'training' via a job. Now that would be a good future!
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Yes, but many experts suggest that there's a high probability of several possible negative outcomes.
Personally, I think it's dangerously naive to just assume a harmonious utopian future, alongside a wise benevolent AI.
YMMV.
Personally, I think it's dangerously naive to just assume a harmonious utopian future, alongside a wise benevolent AI.
YMMV.
Let's hope Sam Altman et al have paid attention to Isaac Asimov and his three rules of robotics in their business development
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The same as it always has been. Very few of us ever get to be the best in the world at something, so having an AI be better than you at whatever it is isn't much different to having all the people who are better than you.
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Presumably that includes their limitations if taken literally, which come up in a number of the stories.Let's hope Sam Altman et al have paid attention to Isaac Asimov and his three rules of robotics in their business development
I don't think so. It's not about AI being better than me, a mediocre drummer. It's about AI being better than the very best of humanity.
It's a good question . What sort of ethics should an AI have - could it steal human created content if it recognised that was what it was doing. No idea
It's a good question . What sort of ethics should an AI have - could it steal human created content if it recognised that was what it was doing. No idea
I taught myself to play bass by listening to Steve Harris's bass lines in Iron Maiden. Was I stealing his work/content by listening and learning how he played and how to play in a similar way?
Did you learn to play drums without ever hearing how another human played drums?
Just to point out that there is no AI in existence that can actually play drums, bass, or any other instrument. AI can only synthesize imitations.
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I was also surprised that neither Gemini, nor ChatGPT could create any sheet music! Gemini collapsed completely. ChatGPT worked and worked to produce random nonsense.
