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After 9 Months of Research - Rate My First System (Before I Buy It)!

As to all the comments slamming vinyl - I think the OP wants the pleasure of using the medium realizing that digital is a better value and probably better sound. But I'm one of those people that likes using a lot of formats and SQ isn't the sole determinant. I think the question about storage raised above is a valid point, I guess we're assuming you will have some alternate space to store vinyl? It takes up room, yes indeed.
Your sentiment is exact. I know streaming is king, but I also know that I want to collect art, and for me that's a combination of music as well as record jackets, album covers, etc. I already have acrylic wall mounts so I can display albums like pieces of art, rotating them every now and then to change up the scene. I am really excited about collecting for reasons over and above sheer sound quality.
 
I made one post already. I'll reiterate a bit while acknowledging your reasons for not going so big on speakers.

Speakers are of overwhelming importance. They are the bottleneck for the sound you get. Speakers you like and that fit your room will dominate all other aspects of the sound you'll be listening to. There is no amount of money anywhere else in the system that will matter half as much as the speakers. With every other part of the system there has never been a better time as so much performance is available and at such low cost.

Now how you interact and feel about components may matter and is worth some money, but if you compromise too much on speakers nothing will make up for it. So think long and hard before you skimp on speakers, even with good reason, and spend more elsewhere.

Now what you really lack compared to some of us here is personal experience with lots of gear. The bit about speakers is the one big thing I would tell myself many years ago. It isn't that I didn't get some better gear in some respects, but with more experience and knowledge I could have spent less on other things I was mesmerized by and more on speakers to much greater satisfaction and less gear churning.

And since you are doing some reconsidering. Listen about wires and cables. You don't have spend more than a pittance. They just don't matter. Unless you want the spiffy looks.
 
Holy s**t. At that price, I'll buy them and just stare at them every day until I can afford a source to feed them. That is way too much speaker for me. That's like Sofia Vergara when all I can actually feel comfortable with is a Julie Bowen.
The WiiM Ultra is a plenty good source for any speaker, even the 8331s... it's a little counterintuitive but when it comes to digital sources in particular, even mid-tier quality is effectively perfect quality, i.e. there is no audible defect in the sound. So no need to spend much on that part.

Everyone is telling you go to go hard on speakers and minimize other stuff, because you hear the difference when you upgrade a speaker, but if you go from a WiiM Ultra to literally any digital source out there, including the ones that cost $20K+ ... you won't hear any improvement. The only reliably effective ways to improve sound are to get better speakers, do PEQ for room correction, or buy acoustic treatments for the room.

When it comes to turntables it's a different story, but when it comes to decent DACs and amps you max out sound quality very quickly in 2024. There are plenty of people who will argue against this as if their lives depended on it, but the numbers don't lie.
 
You are getting a lot of ASR feedback - sorry about that. I hope we're not throwing too much water on your campfire. You've done a lot of work already, and I sincerely hope that whatever you end up getting, you are really happy with it!

Making it all work in a room that small is indeed a challenge. My upstairs workroom is about 8' x 20' but it allows me to have nice speaker placement for nearfield on stands to L/R of the desk and then the main stereo console is off to my left, so I can easily reach the integrated amp and various sources, including TT. A more square room is a tough thing to make work.

Small advice again on the subwoofer front, if you go that route, be sure you can return it. Depending on the speakers you get, it really could just add boominess without any positive effect.
Nothing to be sorry about. I am soaking it all in, and the vast majority of it is sincere in its effort to be helpful. I am enjoying this journey, and this is the fastest and best way to do my research.

I am oscillating back and forth on the sub option. If I do get a sub, it will likely be via a Adam Audio T7V and T10S combo, but the favorite is still "postpone a sub to later".
 
The biggest risk of big speakers is that you cannot get the on axis response relative to the physical layout of the speakers. 1m isn’t bad though. A coaxial speaker like a Genelec would be a good option for you.
I wanted the Genelec 8231A for this room. Didn't mention it because far too expensive. Kali has coaxial M&T so maybe it's not the worst idea to start with those. It really depends how committed @56suited is to a belt-drive lifestyle. I am aesthetically opposed to that but it's just my preference, I said my piece (see my reply to DJSR above), and it's up to OP. I would only add: Try to get some hands-on experience handling both a DJ TT (optimally an SL-1200) and a modern low-mass belt-drive before deciding. Maybe OP did already, idk.

So, depending on priorities the original plan as set out in the OP isn't necessarily a bad idea (subtracting the overpriced brand-name cables and redundant phono preamp). It makes some sense to go with it if one's heart is set on that TT and maybe upgrade the speakers later.

That would not be my choice. I'd flip the TT vs. speakers priorities, i.e. KH 150 and AT-LP120XUSB. But it's not my choice.
 
Nothing to be sorry about. I am soaking it all in, and the vast majority of it is sincere in its effort to be helpful. I am enjoying this journey, and this is the fastest and best way to do my research.

I am oscillating back and forth on the sub option. If I do get a sub, it will likely be via a Adam Audio T7V and T10S combo, but the favorite is still "postpone a sub to later".
Having seen your room dimensions I probably wouldn't do a sub either. Subs do need the right spot not to hurt as much as help. With what else is in the room and that size you just won't have many options. So not only skip a sub i think, I might even not go for speakers that go to very low in the bottom end. Though if you did one can always roll it off in other ways. I think the KLH's would probably be a good choice of those you've mentioned.
 
@56suited I am sorry if we did anything that will cause you to delay the project. It can be like that here. By being flippant and long winded I played my part. (´;︵;`)

When I asked my first question here I was in the market for floor standers for our living room. I ended up in the Circle of Confusion and eventually found myself on the Lost Highway. But I stuck with it and eventually acquired Ascend Acoustics Sierra Tower speakers and I would choose the same today.

Your feeling of rabbit holes and drowning is familiar. I believe this disorientation is part of the process of becoming independent of the marketing memes that dominate this corner of consumer culture. If you have time and motivation you can learn enough to be largely independent. If otoh you want to hurry up and go shopping then I promise to help.

First question: Do you want digital streaming, and TV, and TT all on day one or are you willing to delay on any of those?

What online shopping sites do you like? (URLs with country code please)
I am not sorry for any of this experience. I am enthralled by the engagement. Answering your questions:
  1. I would like all of the things (TV, TT, streaming) on day one. I would be fine delaying the TV part as long as that doesn't mean I then have to sell something I buy in order to incorporate the TV with a NEW piece of equipment later.
  2. There aren't many sites that I frequent, and there are limited retailers in Ireland. Here's where I lurk mostly (in no particular order) there are a few others but not worth mentioning as they are outliers:
 
The biggest risk of big speakers is that you cannot get the on axis response relative to the physical layout of the speakers. 1m isn’t bad though. A coaxial speaker like a Genelec would be a good option for you.

You should still spend the most on your speakers. If you buy a budget speaker, resale value will take a pretty big hit because people would rather just buy a perfect brand new one for just a little bit more. If you buy a super premium speaker with great resale value, you will still lose a lot of money in the absolute sense but your ability to convert it into cash is good and then you have to have the discipline to have kept your gear long enough that the rental fee makes sense.

The goal is that if you buy a speaker that is overkill today like a premium Neumann or Genelec, you will be fine at 1m and underutilizing the capabilities. When you move and have a 2m or even 3m listening distance you are still going to be fine.
This was helpful perspective, and I feel better about spending more on speakers as a result - thank you.
 
I echo what @kemmler3D says about electronics. You can add a sub later but it is harder to get a new set of speakers.

I use Meyer Sound Amie, Trinnov Altitude 32, an a Linn LP12 which are all several digits more than your budget. But I use a LXV-OT10 for my phono preamp.

Along the same lines as the WiiM Ultra being 90%-100% of even a $10k source.

Same goes for the phono pre amp.

Same goes for the turntable.

My fancy Linn LP12/Ittok LVII with aftermarket Minos PSU, and fancy Sigma MC2000 where $2000 was the price of the cartridge will be pretty similar to something like a Debut Carbon Evo, and the parks Waxwing might make it better.

Don’t skip the turntable. It’s fun. Do consider the WiiM ultra’s internal phono eq or a waxwing for an upgrade.
 
What about KEF LS50 Meta and the WiiM Amp? That should be very well suited to this space, no?
That would require an amplifier, and I kissed off that proposition long ago due to space limitations as well as worry about passive speaker placement. Also...embarrassing as it is to say it...*(hiding my face)*....they're ugly.

...but I am not opposed to shifting away from active studio monitors...

When I started off my research I was initially hinged on the ELAC Debut Reference DBR-62...but that seems forever ago.
 
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That would require an amplifier, and I kissed off that proposition long ago due to space limitations as well as worry about passive speaker placement. Also...embarrassing as it is to say it...*(hiding my face)*....they're ugly.

...but I am not opposed to shifting away from active studio monitors...

When I started off my research I was initially hinged on the ELAC Debut Reference DBR-62...but that seems forever ago.
The WiiM Amp is a good integrated amp like the WiiM Ultra is a good preamp. The difference is that you use speaker cables instead of line-level interconnects.

KEF is making tip top stuff at fair prices these days and the coax Meta get uniformly good reports, except for models with integrated electronics that's perhaps not as reliable or serviceable as we would like.

Ugly? Perhaps. Have you ever experienced coming to love something after being aesthetically scandalized at first glance. That's happened to me in several domains. If you place these KEFs side by side with just the right inch or two spacing they kinda look pleasingly feminine. (Try it to see what you think! Stereo is a stupid idea for music that's enormously overrated anyway and less separation sounds better. Watching movies and TV is another matter. Ymmv.)

In general for near field I'd be thinking of active. KEF is the exception.

Thanks for the vendor list. Do you plan to buy from those or are there others, perhaps brick and mortar shops?
 
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$2500-3000 budget

Genelec 8030c - $1390
Genelec 7040a sub - $895
Audio technica LP120XBT with phono preamp - $400
Wimm ultra - $329
cables - $50 max

Total = $3064

BOOM!!

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get rich or die trying setup

Genelec 8331a - $5000
Genelec 7350a SAM subwoofer - $1425
Project x8 evolution turntable - $2499
Phonobox ds3 - $799
Eversolo DMP-A6 Master Edition $1300
Audioquest cables $500

Total = 11523

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As to all the comments slamming vinyl - I think the OP wants the pleasure of using the medium realizing that digital is a better value and probably better sound. But I'm one of those people that likes using a lot of formats and SQ isn't the sole determinant. I think the question about storage raised above is a valid point, I guess we're assuming you will have some alternate space to store vinyl? It takes up room, yes indeed.
Hear, hear. I don't even own a turntable, but I've absolutely experienced the magic of putting a great record on a great turntable. Is that magic in my head? Sure, magic isn't real after all. But there it is in my head!
 
The first part of my life was all vinyl. I used an Akai GX210D high quality reel tape too, but the "real" sound was always the record. I never liked cassette tapes.
When the CD arrived and mixed up the audio world, very suddenly the quality of pickup's exploded and prices dropped. Company's like Ortofon tried to save their sinking boat. It felt like they put a new, better and even cheaper product out every few month.
We were a bunch of audio crazy students and often meet to try new things we had bought or build, to compare them together. There was one guy with a very large, high basement room where we used to make A-B comparisons. Don't know what the neighbors thought about the young people carrying speakers and gear in and out all the time. We had no cheap stuff, but only high value products, often passed down from (not too poor) parents.
When one of us bought the first affordable CD player, it was the most interesting thing to compare it to our record players.
We had the same recordings on CD and vinyl. In the beginning no one, listening to CD, said something else but "Oh sh*t, that's it for the record". We suddenly realized that a part of the vinyl sound was some kind of distortion we were simply used to. Hearing all the bass and tremble of a recording without any other artifacts, was shocking. I think we all tried to be quite objective.
What was the answer, as we all had huge record collections? So after a short time we all got new pickup's for our loved record players. What I took away from that time, at the apex of the vinyl era, is that considered the record player meets a minimum quality standard, it's price doesn't matter, it is only the pickup that changes anything. I remember we got player from Thorens, Dual, Technics, Denon, JVC and some other established brands in the range from 200 to 1500 DM, which was a lot of money at that time. You got a good, used car for 1500 DM! At that time, the usual high end 1k DM record player you bought in a shop, had a 50 DM AKG OEM cartridge build in at best. That's what the majority of even expensive stereo's used. "Music lovers" got a Shure for about 150 DM, the pro audio standard quality. That was considered crazy expensive by "normal people". I talk about average upper middle class home.
We bought in the 200-400 DM range street price, just the pickup! That was the region where a good recording started to match the CD.
The point was, that even the cheapest record player sounded best, when the usually most expensive pickup was installed.
Our usual set-up was a Hafler amp, an AVM pre and a pair of large VIFA 3-ways. A DIYS that had won some comparisons to expensive commercial speakers. So something even today most here would like.
What was most impressive, that some expensive player did not well in the low range (the old pickups didn't play it) and developed feed backs at even medium SPL.
There simply was no reasonable relation between sound and price of record players, only look and feel changed.
I finished vinyl with a high output system from Ortophon in the 300 DM range. After a few years CD player sounded even better, prices dropped and any new recording was pressed in vinyl and CD. I got feed up with the deteriorating sound of records, the weight and sensitive needles. The best records I had at that time was something called DMM = Direct metal master. Anyway, rare and expensive. A few years ago I set up a record player, because my children didn't know what that thing was. It was quite disappointing. The girls asked me, really surprised, "that was what you had to listen to?". They heard all these vinyl typical noises of used records we had learned to ignore.
What I have to admitt, setting up and using the record player, after that many years, was quite amusing. I still got two in storage.
 
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WiiM Ultra and Genelec 8030c or Wiim Amp (Pro) and Kef LS50 (they can be found rather cheap nowadays). Similar space requirements, similar user experience. You will have decent PEQ for adjustments and you can add a sub later if you need it. Forget about vynils or buy a few of them to decorate your room ;).
 
I’d spend as much of the budget as possible on speakers and buy a turntable in the future. You could keep buying vinyl, displaying the album covers as art, and reading the liner notes whilst listening to a stream of the album. I’d also think of buying a secondhand turntable, waiting until a real bargain comes along.
 
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