Blumlein 88
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I don't doubt that Meyer and Moran has its problems, but depending on what your objectives are, it did some things right. You want to find out if there is, in the absolute, an audible difference between RB and hi-res? Yes, use one system. Use highly-trained listeners. Want to find out how much it matters? Use a broad spectrum of experienced listeners -- audiophiles, studio pros, audio engineering students with fresh, trained young ears. Use a broad variety of systems from studio monitoring systems to audiophile-approved high end. Run a lot of trials. If, in the end, very few people from any group listening to any system could differentiate any of the files (not just the up-sampled ones that shouldn't have been in the test) from each other, you've learned that it doesn't matter much. It may not meet scientific rigor. It proves nothing. But it sure seems to indicate that we're counting angels on the head of a pin. With all its flaws, it should have shut down the audiophile hyperbole around hi-rez like stepping on a hose.
But of course it didn't. In that world, the most rigorous science that disagrees with conventional wisdom is flawed, and no science at all that supports the tenants of the religion is new gospel.
Tim
That has been my take on M&M and other similar tests and my own tests. If there are differences, they sure are small, difficult to find, and disappear if the tiniest thing is off. So how important can they be? The answer is obvious. The difference in SD and HDTV is not difficult to perceive. The difference in HD and normal digital audio......if there much of anything at all to it, the idea would hardly be controversial or disputed here some 30 years later. Night and day differences? Bull carp. More like the difference between 10 minutes prior to sunset and nine minutes 45 seconds before.....if that.
In the very questionable AES meta-analysis they posit that with good gear, and trained listeners and appropriate material hires is perceived 60% of the time. Even that were it true is not that big a deal. It means 3 out of 5 times if you are well trained you can pick out the better source. Now considering what chance guessing would be then how significant is that for simple musical enjoyment?