ADI 2 Series Discontinued, any news on successor?

[john61ct]

what do you mean??

5-band PEQ has been a standard feature of all the legacy RME ADI-2 models.

Woulda coulda shoulda gone to a higher count with the new generation.

Or even go head to head with miniDSP, especially with greater "open ness" to non-proprietary standards.

 

[i.shadrin]

5-band PEQ has been a standard feature of all the legacy RME ADI-2 models.

Woulda coulda shoulda gone to a higher count with the new generation.

Or even go head to head with miniDSP, especially with greater "open ness" to non-proprietary standards.

Got it, thank you. Honestly, I think 5 bands might be enough for FR correction (without stripping the speakers/headphones of their character).

 

[bungle]

feed the monitors AES-Signal and to connect the phono preamp directly. I would have also bought the predecessor- if available anywhere.

The 2/4 Pro you wouldn't even need phono preamp (I think that is gone now, but not sure, didn't they do it in digital domain anyway, not sure if it was MM only).

 

[Chanur]

Got it, thank you. Honestly, I think 5 bands might be enough for FR correction (without stripping the speakers/headphones of their character).

5 is definitely much better than nothing but I'd have preferred to see 8 or 10 at least.

 

[i.shadrin]

5 is definitely much better than nothing but I'd have preferred to see 8 or 10 at least.

EQ might produce phase issues and make high end speakers sounds like a garbage if overdone.
This limitation might be due to DAC chip if it's hardware DAC chip EQ config (possibly phase and pre ring linear)

 

[i.shadrin]

5 is definitely much better than nothing but I'd have preferred to see 8 or 10 at least.

My only disappointment is that they switch to Type C (while keeping USB 2.0 protocol). My guess they go this route because of marketing bs + the supply chain / aftermarket cables availability (future proof)

Will have to deal with childish plug Otherwise, a nice incremental upgrade, will buy it

 

[Chanur]

EQ might produce phase issues and make high end speakers sounds like a garbage if overdone.
This limitation might be due to DAC chip if it's hardware DAC chip EQ config (possibly phase and pre ring linear)

For the price of this that should never happen when much much cheaper units can deliver massive PEQ with no sound impact.

I read the USB C is some kind of EU requirement. I don't think they had a choice on that.

 

[waofner]

The 2/4 Pro you wouldn't even need phono preamp (I think that is gone now, but not sure, didn't they do it in digital domain anyway, not sure if it was MM only).

was only MM + i would never ditch my Rega Aria

 

[i.shadrin]

For the price of this that should never happen when much much cheaper units can deliver massive PEQ with no sound impact.

It's impossible to implement eq without artifacts both in digital and analog domains. I might be wrong it's even possible inside DAC. It's a hardcore engineering topic you can dive into by "linear phase eq / linear phase eq pre ringing" search keywords. My bet is that RME did the best job they can to implement the least destructive eq (making artifacts at least inaudible for human ear)

 

[ObjectiveSubjectivist]

Not this one again…

USB-A and USB-B are only required to be designed to survive 1500 mating cycles. USB-C is required to survive 10,000, just because it’s bigger and chunkier doesn’t mean it’s more robust.

In portable device more cycles makes sense.
In a desktop product.... Not so much

 

[Chanur]

It's impossible to implement eq without artifacts both in digital and analog domains. I might be wrong it's even possible inside DAC. It's a hardcore engineering topic you can dive into by "linear phase eq / linear phase eq pre ringing" search keywords. My bet is that RME did the best job they can to implement the least destructive eq (making artifacts at least inaudible for human ear)

I'm an idiot when it comes to audio science but I thought @amirm measured this and showed there was no impact to sound quality. Perhaps that doesn't capture what you are describing though. It's also entirely possible I completely misunderstood due to the first line of my post.

 

[i.shadrin]

Huh)

I'm an idiot when it comes to audio science but I thought @amirm measured this and showed there was no impact to sound quality. Perhaps that doesn't capture what you are describing though. It's also entirely possible I completely misunderstood due to the first line of my post.

Huh, if someone can't measure something it might not be because of it doesn't exists, but about the measurement method )) Although, eq artifacts are not a problem at all if you are not chasing perfect purity and use eq moderately

 

[Bland_username42069]

Really? What features?

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Amir reviewed the more expensive x9. Both look very impressive to me for the home user.

 

[win]

I'm an extremely happy owner of an adi2 pro (black edition)

What are the actual real world improvements for the new one? I only see trigger output, which is kinda useful, but don't really care about the other specs I've seen. I definitely don't care that the new one has chrome feet now.

 

[john61ct]

yes incremental, like more AES, SPDIF, ADAT flexibility

 

[Sieglinde]

Link posted on the 2/4 Pro thread, has details on all 3 units. Seems like all three will share the larger enclosure used in the 2/4.

RME introduces the next generation: Welcome to the ADI-2 EX series!

Just in time for HighEnd in Vienna, audio enthusiasts and mastering professionals are in for a real treat: RME is presenting the evolution of its reference conv...

www.musicnetwork.ch

 

[Chanur]

Link posted on the 2/4 Pro thread, has details all 3 units. Seems like all three will share the larger enclosure used in the 2/4.

RME introduces the next generation: Welcome to the ADI-2 EX series!

Just in time for HighEnd in Vienna, audio enthusiasts and mastering professionals are in for a real treat: RME is presenting the evolution of its reference conv...

www.musicnetwork.ch

Looks like ESS chips now. Which makes sense since I think the AKMs were one of things they had supply trouble with.

 

[Sir Sanders Zingmore]

It's impossible to implement eq without artifacts both in digital and analog domains

I may have missed it but this is not something I’ve seen mentioned on ASR. Do you have any references you could link?

 

[BassTinker]

I may have missed it but this is not something I’ve seen mentioned on ASR. Do you have any references you could link?

I am an electroacoustics engineer or you can take any hardware or software DSP engineer with a proper study background as source.

Every filter has its own frequency dependent amplitude response, which automatically results in a phase response. Always. That's mathematics,

"Always" with one exception: all-pass filters. These are special filters that are designed to only change the phase, but not the amplitude.

 

[Chanur]

I am an electroacoustics engineer or you can take any hardware or software DSP engineer with a proper study background as source.

Every filter has its own frequency dependent amplitude response, which automatically results in a phase response. Always. That's mathematics,

"Always" with one exception: all-pass filters. These are special filters that are designed to only change the phase, but not the amplitude.

Dumb this down please. Are you saying that any frequency dependant change (PEQ) means it will have an impact beyond the frequency change?