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Adding bypass capacitors correctly to a crossover?

This particular AI is a "people pleaser" -- when confronted with its error it totally changed (whatever passes for) its "mind". :cool:
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You are absolutely correct, and I appreciate the correction. My previous explanation failed to properly account for how capacitive reactance interacts with audio frequencies, which is the core engineering reason why bypass capacitors are generally ineffective in speaker crossover networks.

The fundamental issue lies in the physics of capacitive reactance ($X_C = 1 / 2\pi f C$). In a crossover network, a "bypass" capacitor is placed in parallel with a much larger main capacitor. For the bypass capacitor to have any meaningful effect on the signal, it must offer a significantly lower impedance path than the main capacitor at the frequencies of interest.

However, in the audio range (20 Hz to 20 kHz), the reactance of the typical small bypass capacitors used (e.g., 0.01 µF to 0.1 µF) is extremely high compared to the main capacitors. For example, a 0.1 µF capacitor has a reactance of over 15,000 ohms at 1 kHz.

To even bring that down to a comparable level of 15 ohms would require a capacitor of roughly 10 µF, which is not a "bypass" value but a main filter value.

Because the bypass capacitor's reactance is so high relative to the main capacitor's reactance at audio frequencies, it effectively acts as an open circuit. Current follows the path of least impedance, which is through the larger main capacitor, rendering the small bypass capacitor electrically negligible.

While some audiophiles claim to hear audible differences, the engineering consensus is that such small values do not provide a low-impedance path for audio frequencies. They might theoretically affect very high frequencies (ultrasonics) or transient response in ways that are often imperceptible or difficult to measure in a practical speaker system.

As one forum member noted, bypassing seems to be "a waste of time" unless the bypass cap makes up a significant portion (e.g., 10-20%) of the total capacitance, which changes the filter characteristics rather than just "bypassing".

The primary reason bypass capacitors are used in electronics (like power supplies) is to shunt high-frequency noise (often in the MHz range) to ground, where their reactance is very low 1. In audio crossovers, the frequencies are too low for these small values to function as intended.

Why This Matters: Understanding the frequency-dependent nature of capacitive reactance is crucial for designing effective audio crossovers and avoiding the misconception that small "bypass" capacitors can significantly improve sound quality in this application.
 
Total rubbish. If loudspeakers worked at 100s of kHz or MHz, I might agree, but below 100kHz these effects are utterly negligeable.

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I agree with you, but KEF actually do this and if I recall the reason correctly, the parallel combination where you have a big NP electrolytic and a smaller film type reduces distortion. It all sounds a bit dubious to me, a bit like "oxygen-free" copper wire that was all rage years ago.
 
I agree with you, but KEF actually do this and if I recall the reason correctly, the parallel combination where you have a big NP electrolytic and a smaller film type reduces distortion. It all sounds a bit dubious to me, a bit like "oxygen-free" copper wire that was all rage years ago.
A quick bit of research shows that this was done older KEF models, i.e. the 104 series and not current models.
 
AI: You are absolutely correct, and I appreciate the correction.
Is there any other aspect of our lives where if 'someone' was often wrong about basic things and responded like above, that we would keep going back to them for advice?

Contractor: I'm going to remove that wall.
You: Isn't that a load bearing wall?
Contractor: You are absolutely correct, what we will do instead is...
 
Is there any other aspect of our lives where if 'someone' was often wrong about basic things and responded like above, that we would keep going back to them for advice?

Contractor: I'm going to remove that wall.
You: Isn't that a load bearing wall?
Contractor: You are absolutely correct, what we will do instead is...
Exactly. Many is the time I've consulted an AI and wound up correcting it -- not exactly an oracle of truth!
 
That is exactly what I was shooting for, the Auricap XO’s being better than the Jantzen Superior-Z’s but I found it a very slight improvement, if any. Maybe a hair sharper, clearer maybe with a better attack which I mentioned earlier meaning all frequencies especially the mids and highs coming together more. It’s really hard to explain, please forgive me.
If i can find some for a fair price i may try some in the mid & treble drive units crossover capacitors in a good pair of 3-way speakers i built years ago, depending on there size & cost i may have to limit how many i can buy & use, hopefuly in both ends of the mids crossover, HP & LP as well as the tweeter, 3rd order 18db/octave, they sound good, i'm a sucker for detail retreval, i will look them up online....cheers
 
If i can find some for a fair price i may try some in the mid & treble drive units crossover capacitors in a good pair of 3-way speakers i built years ago, depending on there size & cost i may have to limit how many i can buy & use, hopefuly in both ends of the mids crossover, HP & LP as well as the tweeter, 3rd order 18db/octave, they sound good, i'm a sucker for detail retreval, i will look them up online....cheers
What your a sucker for is audiophool BS. These "boutique" caps are no better, sometimes worse than the caps from the industrial capacitor manufacturers.
 
What your a sucker for is audiophool BS. These "boutique" caps are no better, sometimes worse than the caps from the industrial capacitor manufacturers.
Where do you get your information from?
 
Where do you get your information from?
I’d be interested in his answer too.

But a bit or anecdotal info - I bought a few NP electrolytic’s in the past from BENNIC and MDL, not the high end ones and I found when I measured them, their actual values were way outside of the quoted tolerance range. KEF use BENNIC and I don't know if they pre-sort them for value bands, or just build directly assuming the value and tolerance band, but in any case the manufacturing spread on crossover performance (slope and XO frequency) is likely to be significant, so, in my opinion, that should be the focus before dreaming about the “magic” of bypass capacitors.
 
Where do you get your information from?
ASR.

For example, I compared the performance of some inexpensive capacitors from Panasonic and WIMA that many audiophiles would consider bog-standard compared to to a bunch of fancy-capacitors, including a very expensive Hovland.
Spoiler: the Hovland capacitor isn't very good. The Panasonic and WIMA have the best performance. The Hovland and other caps might be OK for audio, but certainly not for more sensitive applications. Of course, people designing more challenging applications would likely be selling into a market were the ridiculous cost of a Hovland or other fancy-cap is prohibitive.

I meant to post the part to part variability data. Panasonic and WIMA make capacitors with very tight run to run and within run tolerances. The Hovland actually have worse part to part variation. I'll try to dig it up and post it.

CTRL has a few series on the lack of improvement of fancy capacitors, try this one with links to some of his other tests:
 
I rebuilt my Klipsch speaker crossovers using medium priced capacitors, such as Jantzen Superior-Z and Silver-Z’s as well as Claritycap CMR’s with a few others and in testing them they are incredibly on spec! And I find there is a difference between these caps and Wima and Solen caps. The pictures show the bass section, the mid section and the tweeter section. This is an extreme slope crossover.
 

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Not sure if this is the right place to ask but in the picture below ( I will shorten the leads permanently ) I have added a yellow Auricap (0.015uf) to the tweeter and midrange circuits, and wondered if this is the correct way? They are connected in parallel to the two Jantzen capacitors (1uf each for a total of 2uf in each circuit. Btw the crossovers are Klipsch type AA. I’ve also went with black lead to black and red lead to red. Thanks for any help!………….Steve

There is little point is this method of experimentation. You can simply model passive xovers in software to see what the xover filter is doing. Vituixcad is what most people use.

It's a little hard to tell, but it looks like you just added 0.015uf to the caps already there. All this is doing is simply raising the total value from 2uf, to 2.015uf. There will not be a difference here, this is within cap tolerances. I have never heard of this bypass cap idea, and it really doesn't make any sense.

This graph shows the result of a simple high pass made of two 1uf caps wired in parallel. There is also another line in there somewhere that shows a total value of 2.015uf, two 1uf and one 0.015uf. I used a generic driver response and impedance so the filter would have something to react with. I had to zoom in as far as the software would let me to even see that there's two lines. Changing component values can have a varying range of effect on the circuit depending on where they are in the circuit, but in all speaker filter circuits, a 2.015uf is effectively the same as 2uf.

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And I find there is a difference between these caps and Wima and Solen caps.

It is possible to hear a change, when there isn't really one. It's placebo and it's very real and no one is immune to it. Our auditory memory is pretty dang poor for making comparisons. You have to switch between your options very quickly which doesn't tend to be easy when swapping out passive components.
 
People (and AIs) are talking past each other.

As @NTK showed, a small value parallel cap (not really a "bypass" in this use, just a "filter" cap) of a different type can have a use in a crossover. This is almost certainly what those JBL and KEF designs are doing.

Actual "bypass" capacitors are quite different and intended so shunt RF noise, which is why nearly every chip in a circuit will have a 10uF and 0.1uF (or similar ratio) ceramic cap (i.e. of the same type) at each power input, so that none bypasses the input and goes directly to ground.

Those fancy Jantzen polypropylene caps already have a vanishingly low self-inductance so don't need any help maintaining their value at higher frequencies. But if a much cheaper electrolytic was used, then a smaller film cap in parallel would flatten the overall response much more cheaply than a big PP cap.

The Auricap is unfortunately of the exact same type (PP film) as the Jantzen, so it is completely pointless in this use.


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People (and AIs) are talking past each other.

As @NTK showed, a small value parallel cap (not really a "bypass" in this use, just a "filter" cap) of a different type can have a use in a crossover. This is almost certainly what those JBL and KEF designs are doing.

Actual "bypass" capacitors are quite different and intended so shunt RF noise, which is why nearly every chip in a circuit will have a 10uF and 0.1uF (or similar ratio) ceramic cap (i.e. of the same type) at each power input, so that none bypasses the input and goes directly to ground.

Those fancy Jantzen polypropylene caps already have a vanishingly low self-inductance so don't need any help maintaining their value at higher frequencies. But if a much cheaper electrolytic was used, then a smaller film cap in parallel would flatten the overall response much more cheaply than a big PP cap.

The Auricap is unfortunately of the exact same type (PP film) as the Jantzen, so it is completely pointless in this use.


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I do not see any real use case for this bypass cap idea in speakers. I am not sure why this thread has gone on as long as it has.
 
I do not see any real use case for this bypass cap idea in speakers. I am not sure why this thread has gone on as long as it has.
It used to be somewhat universally believed. I often wondered how on Earth it could do much of anything, except add capacitance. But here we are.
 
Where do you get your information from?
Thats the problem, there is no information about these "audiophile" caps. Just looked at four different web sites, not one data sheet. Just pages of how great they sound and a comment or two about low ESR or inductance but zero numbers. Is this because the numbers arn't that great and easy to compare? So what exactly (electricaly) makes these caps better? Theres no magic.
 
Heres another reason using small bypass caps on larger caps might be a bad idea.

From: https://octopart.com/pulse/p/the-complete-low-esl-capacitor-guide
"The point here is, if you need to select a low-ESL capacitor with high self-resonance frequency, you can use a smaller capacitance, and just put multiple capacitors in parallel. The frequency response for a single low-ESL capacitor or multiple identical capacitors in parallel will be the same.

The same ideas do not strictly apply to different capacitors with different C or ESL values placed in parallel. In this case, there will be multiple resonance peaks due to interaction between different RLC networks with different poles, and a more thorough analysis is needed to understand the impedance and frequency response of these capacitor networks."
 
If you are buying caps, then Digikey or Mouser are your friends, and most components have detailed data sheets.. If you want a Non polarized cap just use two polarized caps in series, and calculate the total value correctly.
 
Heres another reason using small bypass caps on larger caps might be a bad idea.

From: https://octopart.com/pulse/p/the-complete-low-esl-capacitor-guide
"The point here is, if you need to select a low-ESL capacitor with high self-resonance frequency, you can use a smaller capacitance, and just put multiple capacitors in parallel. The frequency response for a single low-ESL capacitor or multiple identical capacitors in parallel will be the same.

The same ideas do not strictly apply to different capacitors with different C or ESL values placed in parallel. In this case, there will be multiple resonance peaks due to interaction between different RLC networks with different poles, and a more thorough analysis is needed to understand the impedance and frequency response of these capacitor networks."
Yes but those resonances are in the MHz region, so you can safely ignore them for audio
 
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