ADAM Audio D3V specs price ?

[bennybbbx]

Perhaps another difference between Abacus and ESI plays a role here. Mid-woofer in Abacus is compensated for the electromotive force (EMF)? Those -6 at 35Hz are perhaps only in ultranearfield? Also, Abacus is engineered from the ground up to be exclusively closed speaker that reaches deep down with very limited SPL.

I do not have any measuring equipment, but I hear sinewaves unmistakenly all the way down to 40Hz (I listen to in near-field, not ultranearfield).

I can hear with closed port 30 hz louder as with open port on the ESI. (minimum i can hear is 28 hz)I think with closed port sound more cleaner the 30 hz. the 40 hz sound also cleaner as with open port, it sound near same loud.

Intresting what happen with the D3V. if the 2 passive systems give even more bass gain as openport and what happen with distortion. between closed port and open port changes the room modes alot. maybe with the 2 passive speakers on side it give better sound

kick drum is between 50-70 hz. on this the open port sound most louder as the closed port. I verify with sine tone the arc 4 results on closed port. right speaker is level -18 db at 55 hz. but left speaker is -5 db(happen due to correction) can see in DAW Level meter. when reduce the lots correction on left speaker 6 db less at 50-70 hz then i can go loud enough for me and no risc for ear damage( 75 db max on music with DBa) with closed port. seem i can use the esi with closed port

 

[WOLFAGRAM]

I can hear with closed port 30 hz louder as with open port on the ESI. (minimum i can hear is 28 hz)I think with closed port sound more cleaner the 30 hz. the 40 hz sound also cleaner as with open port, it sound near same loud.

This makes sense. Open port allows for slower fall-off initially, or even slight bump just before the fall-off (but at the the expense of clean sound because ports must induce at least small level of resonance). Closed boxes tend to start falling off a bit sooner and the absence of the aforementioned bump is usually perceived as "bass lacking the punch (slam)". However, closed boxes tend to fall of more gradually and they usually offer cleaner sound because there are only driver/box resonances, there is no port resonance. In the case of bad port designs it can even come to hearable wind turbulences (wind gusts).

Now, I think that in theory, passive radiators should offer best of both worlds, if designed right. However, they are the most expensive solution and perhaps there is more that can go wrong if the engineering is not up to the point.

I am not 100% sure, I am just trying to reinterpret what I (an amateur) had read about the topic.

Cheers.

 

[bennybbbx]

In the case of bad port designs it can even come to hearable wind turbulences (wind gusts).

that is called port noise. port noise should be also gone with the D3V. port noise thats most problem with bass ports i hear even more on speakers under 6 inch. When play drum loop or drum and bass only or have no music in the range of 500 hz -2 khz. then port noise can hear alot. it make bass not so tight and when have more produce ugly noise that you think in your room is something rumbling. happen also when play complete youtube drum covers which i do often. they use original songs and do better drums with more level and punch to it. happen also that it sound in linear phase EQ not good because of prering. so i use no linear phase Mode in ARC 4.in the past i have sell the ik multimedia MTM. a nice speaker for complete HIFI songs but the port noise was very extreme. the mtm bring a low bass amazing for this small case but this low bass come together with huge port noise. the lot more level on the ESI on left side was a false measurement of arc 4. so verify always with sines if tone is simular loud and come from middle in stereo base .

this song is good for port noise test.

there is also a drum only version. you can compare with headphone to hear diffrence too

 

[MadMaxx]

I pre-ordered a pair of the black and will use them for my MacBook's audio. I've used a pair of iLoud Micro Monitors for several years. It'll be fun to see how the two speaker systems compare.

 

[Sjkrabbe]

Im just worried about the specs - They say that amplification is 2X70 watts for for woofers and 2X30watts for tweeters (RMS at 1% dist.) - BUT at the powerinput at the back it says 24volt - 2,5 amps which is 60 watts input - HOW can 60watts input become a 200watts RMS output. Is it just my elctrical skills that is mediocre??
Otherwise they look nice - but I have the ADAM T5V in my setup and I not changing from them any day soon - the T5Vs are awesome <3

 

[AnalogSteph]

Im just worried about the specs - They say that amplification is 2X70 watts for for woofers and 2X30watts for tweeters (RMS at 1% dist.) - BUT at the powerinput at the back it says 24volt - 2,5 amps which is 60 watts input - HOW can 60watts input become a 200watts RMS output. Is it just my elctrical skills that is mediocre??

Nope, I noticed the same discrepancy. My EVE SC203s are using a power supply of the same specs, which is also slightly overbooked (2x 30+30 W, though I assume the tweeter is never going to need more than a watt or two in real life, so this almost checks out). They may be banking on crest factor and higher short-term power handling.

 

[bennybbbx]

Im just worried about the specs - They say that amplification is 2X70 watts for for woofers and 2X30watts for tweeters (RMS at 1% dist.) - BUT at the powerinput at the back it says 24volt - 2,5 amps which is 60 watts input - HOW can 60watts input become a 200watts RMS output. Is it just my elctrical skills that is mediocre??

normaly RMS voltage of a sine AC is ~0.7 of DC. nearest come with this calculation but only for speaker power possible. 24 volt on 4 ohm = 24/4=6 A 24*6 = 144 Watts. from 144 watts DC power speaker can consume RMS for AC is then 0.7 this is 100 Watts. but this are 20 watts more as they post.

I think this 60 watt DC is good enough. I do a table for easy see whats need as input power.

a simple Calc whats need for 80 db per watt Speaker (with case losses). Speakers reach 83 db in specs often
are 83 db for Stereo System and 2 watt.
86 db 4 watt
89 db 8 watt
92 db 16 watt
95 db 32 watt
98 db 64 watt
101 db 128 watt
104 db 256 Watt (128 watt for 1 Speaker)
107 db 512 Watts

or maybe this speaker is fil with electric eel oil that bring the additional DC power.

 

[bennybbbx]

for this speaker is a complete set of measure inclusive group delay. this is good. the group delay look long for this speaker, but i can confirm that it is good, because when correct with arc 4 the ESI it get also a rise slop on lower bass, and it is more constant. seem that it is constant is most important. I have also attach 1 measure of each speaker i have currently and for ESI with and without arc 4. with arc 4 sound much better did what no other speaker correction can do. and you can see in the group delay, it come more near the D3V. smoothing is 1/3 in my measures

this is arc 4 natural mode and not phase linear mode. maybe thats reason wy most testers and developers not show group delay. you can see in the simple home measure shorter group delay, but it sound not so good . I really like see more group delay on a speaker . I have attach my speakers i have currently in the zip for REW and same microphone. without arc 4 they have all less group delay but not very constant

with arc 4

 

[lewdish]

Dang already on sale for $300 pre-order, debating if i should get this or the Kanto Ora 4, SPL & Distortion doesnt look too bad (roughly 92db to distortion therashold) and seems like the measurements are fairly accurate.

 

[silk186]

When are these supposed to ship? I'm ready to buy a pair of speakers and want to know how these hold up to the Kali LP-UNF and JBL 305P MkII.

 

[AnalogSteph]

Looks like mid-November here.
As a rule of thumb, only buy a 3" class speaker when you absolutely, positively need something this small. The D3V puts up a really solid effort but rapidly starts falling apart below 100 Hz at high levels, where the other two make it almost an octave lower, and that's an important octave. There's a reason why these are sold as desktop speakers, i.e. for sub-1 m listening distances. Interestingly enough, bass handling seems very similar between LP-UNF and 305P MkII, and the Kali clearly has the lower-distortion tweeter (though dispersion wise the JBL is ahead). In terms of low midrange at 95-96 dB, the JBL is the least bothered, then the Kali, then the D3V, much like you'd expect. The JBL has above average levels of hiss, the Kali should be nice and quiet, and the D3V obviously is a complete unknown.

 

[mrmojo]

I got them. They sound really good. Amazing value too. Not as good as my genelec 8030c, but better than the kantos, vanatoos, and ilouds I have tried, and they are an amazing value (i am so pleased adam doesn't nickel and dime you for stands). If this were another company they would likely be charging 300, or 400 dollars more. Not sure if I am using the correct phrasing, but the instrument separation and bass is pretty amazing. Especially for such a small package. Only complaint is auto off/stand by mode. They're noticably better than the a2+ speakers. The other desktop speakers I tried (with the exception of the vanatoos) didn't sound that much better than the a2+s. The worst value desktop speaker I tried was the genelec 8010, which sounded almost exactly like the a2+ (although I don't think it's meant to be a desktop speaker really).

actually, the thing I like about the a2+ vs the d3v is that the a2+ really bring vocals to the foreground. A solo vocal comes to the front way more on the a2+ vs the d3v.

 

[bennybbbx]

actually, the thing I like about the a2+ vs the d3v is that the a2+ really bring vocals to the foreground. A solo vocal comes to the front way more on the a2+ vs the d3v.

with the a2+ you mean the Audioengine A plus called ? Can you measure the speakers ? . when you measure both you can see diffrences even if you have no measure microphone

 

[mrmojo]

with the a2+ you mean the Audioengine A plus called ? Can you measure the speakers ? . when you measure both you can see diffrences even if you have no measure microphone

yes, the audioengine a2+.

No, i can't measure the speakers.

The d3v is clearly a way better speaker than the a2+ though. The a2+ sounds muffled in comparison, the instruments are far more clearly separated on the d3v, and the d3v has both better bass and treble. The only thing the a2+ has going for it, is that it can sometimes bring voices more to the front.

 

[Somafunk]

actually, the thing I like about the a2+ vs the d3v is that the a2+ really bring vocals to the foreground. A solo vocal comes to the front way more on the a2+ vs the d3v.

I have original Audioengine A2’s from 2010’ish for listening duties in the kitchen, warm mids bleeding into 3khz tends to be good for vocals, I believe this was one of the design briefs

 

[MadMaxx]

I returned my D3V after a week. Absolutely nothing wrong with them. They sound good, but I didn't hear anything that made me want to ditch my iLoud Micros. The D3V are quite a bit bigger than the Micros, too. I do a lot of traveling and the Micros are tough to beat for road warrior speakers. Glad I tried the D3V. They're just not optimal for my particular uses.

 

[AnalogSteph]

Now that a few people have heard them: Any hiss?

 

[bennybbbx]

I returned my D3V after a week. Absolutely nothing wrong with them. They sound good, but I didn't hear anything that made me want to ditch my iLoud Micros. The D3V are quite a bit bigger than the Micros, too. I do a lot of traveling and the Micros are tough to beat for road warrior speakers. Glad I tried the D3V. They're just not optimal for my particular uses.

how did you get it ?. in thoman germany stand that it is available in 4-5 weeks. on amazon germany stand january until may. and adam audio is german. on adam audio page still stand preorder.

there is a focal shape 40 with 2 side passive membrane and simular design but 1 cost more as the Adam audio 2 . there is also swissonic T204 wih such design but it have 2 woofers and is higher

 

[MadMaxx]

how did you get it ?. in thoman germany stand that it is available in 4-5 weeks. on amazon germany stand january until may. and adam audio is german. on adam audio page still stand preorder.

there is a focal shape 40 with 2 side passive membrane and simular design but 1 cost more as the Adam audio 2 . there is also swissonic T204 wih such design but it have 2 woofers and is higher

Bought it from Zzounds. They have the D3V in stock.

 

[bennybbbx]

thats really strange. here is the Adam Audio shop when click on USA do not work for me guess because i live not in USA. What happen when people in USA click USA. can it buy now in USA or is there too only pre order button ? https://www.adam-audio.com/de/desktop/d3v/
I can only click all other countries but then there is only a "Jetzt Vorbestellen" Button which mean "Now Pre Order" without any time how long to wait

maybe there need another month to get the German CE Label and so can only Pre Order . https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/product-requirements/labels-markings/ce-marking/index_en.htm