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Active Room Treatment (ART) by Dirac

Hey guys is the ART license limited to one device?
If i bought another Denon 3800 for another system - would I need another license?
 
It is different as you say in case where there is onboard DSP. A friend of mine is thinking about building HT with Kii Three BXT as bed speakers (9 or 11 of them) and asking how would that work with ART. I have no idea and seems he is set on Kii's as he has a pair of them and really happy with them.

Layering one EQ on top of another seems like intriguing concept, but not sure what would be the outcome. I recommended passive setup which would cost considerably less, but in this particular case money is not really a factor.
It heavily depends on the type of DSP the speaker is using - if DSP is being used simply for crossovers and traditional fixed EQ then it will be no different from a passive speaker - but if the EQ varies with signal level - then it won't work so well...

From the reading I can find on the Kii speakers, I don't believe there is anything in the way of EQ variation with signal level - although loads of adjustment flexibility to tune the setup.

They are certainly an interesting speaker - one I would shortlist for myself to have a listen to if I was shopping....

With a speaker like that - I would do my best to EQ to/for the room within the speaker- reduce the workload for Dirac ... and then use ART and RC to complete the setup.
 
It heavily depends on the type of DSP the speaker is using - if DSP is being used simply for crossovers and traditional fixed EQ then it will be no different from a passive speaker - but if the EQ varies with signal level - then it won't work so well...

From the reading I can find on the Kii speakers, I don't believe there is anything in the way of EQ variation with signal level - although loads of adjustment flexibility to tune the setup.

They are certainly an interesting speaker - one I would shortlist for myself to have a listen to if I was shopping....

With a speaker like that - I would do my best to EQ to/for the room within the speaker- reduce the workload for Dirac ... and then use ART and RC to complete the setup.
Well Kii's have a full DSP. How much to be used is up to the user. But then I am not certain that using twice the DSP would actually make it better. Certainly Kii's don't have anything like ART, but they with their DSP aspire to ART behaviour on its own.

I would want some real life examples rather than theory. Sounds good but might not end up that way.
 
Well Kii's have a full DSP. How much to be used is up to the user. But then I am not certain that using twice the DSP would actually make it better. Certainly Kii's don't have anything like ART, but they with their DSP aspire to ART behaviour on its own.

I would want some real life examples rather than theory. Sounds good but might not end up that way.
I think using both Kii and ART together would probably work well. However, based on Erin’s review, I am a bit concerned about the effectiveness of ART at SPL levels where the limiter starts to engage.
At lower listening levels, I believe it should be possible to combine Kii’s active directivity control, which provides sharp dispersion down to around 100 Hz, with ART’s smooth frequency response and tight decay.
Adding the BXT might eliminate the limiter issue, so it would be interesting to ask Kii directly and confirm how the system behaves in that configuration.
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Thanks for the insights and help. My attitude to the question has not changed though. Have no idea how would the Kii's work with ART, or with Trinnov for that matter. Unless I hear differently that is a bit of unexplored area.

My recommendation was to keep it classic and use Perlisten 7 series towers and use Trinnov waweforming since it is custom HT built. Nothing wrong with ART, but feel that in larger venues like this one is planned, Trinnov might just do a bit better. Such build will need some special care into acoustics, and that would be beyond me or ART. That HT, if ever built, will be built to some specs. I have never done that so way above my head.
 
Thanks for the insights and help. My attitude to the question has not changed though. Have no idea how would the Kii's work with ART, or with Trinnov for that matter. Unless I hear differently that is a bit of unexplored area.

My recommendation was to keep it classic and use Perlisten 7 series towers and use Trinnov waweforming since it is custom HT built. Nothing wrong with ART, but feel that in larger venues like this one is planned, Trinnov might just do a bit better. Such build will need some special care into acoustics, and that would be beyond me or ART. That HT, if ever built, will be built to some specs. I have never done that so way above my head.
Since my friend already owns Kii BXT, I think it makes sense to first verify things in a 2.x setup using that, and only then decide on other speakers. If the L/R channels are ultimately set to Kii BXT, it would feel most coherent to unify the entire system’s base layer around that choice.
Using multiple layers of DSP, such as applying EQ before Dirac calibration, is not a problem. I’m not aiming to improve Dirac’s correction results through pre-calibration EQ, but since I sometimes listen with Dirac turned off, I do apply EQ to the subwoofers for that purpose.
 
Trying to find the right used PS3 (they are a vanishingly small percentage of all PS3's sold) is extremely difficult and expensive if you do manage to find one. The players needed for the USB drive hack method are plentiful and cheap.
I have an old Sony bluray player that does it. It will play multichannel dsf files as well. Its kind of wonder tech for something you can buy for 15 dollars. I like DSD.. its like when the fm channel came in Crystal clear on a perfect summer night. The purity folks cant stand when the dacs resample it to PCM. I dont think I can tell the difference. I can barely drive at night these days so who am I kidding.
 
Since my friend already owns Kii BXT, I think it makes sense to first verify things in a 2.x setup using that, and only then decide on other speakers. If the L/R channels are ultimately set to Kii BXT, it would feel most coherent to unify the entire system’s base layer around that choice.
Using multiple layers of DSP, such as applying EQ before Dirac calibration, is not a problem. I’m not aiming to improve Dirac’s correction results through pre-calibration EQ, but since I sometimes listen with Dirac turned off, I do apply EQ to the subwoofers for that purpose.
This particular plan is a bit different. It's either converting a room (really big one) into HT or building a dedicated HT adjacent to the home. In both cases I feel it's not really warranted do go mixed. Both passive Storm or Trinnov systems that are customized to space could do really well. I feel that Trinnov could do a bit better as more adjustable at the end. There is only so much you can do with ART - which is great but perhaps a bit limiting for the very high end.

Don't think that Kii has any real solutions for the multichannel, as opposed to some more mainstream brands. But then again, know little about how these other ones really integrate. Used is studios so I guess almost perfect, but don't know what's under the hood. Understand what's possible with Storm or Trinnov, so just more comfortable recommending that route.
 
Actually a good video. Too long but that's how it goes when the host is feeling epic.

Joss was great and really liked how he approached things.

Most what I learned from the video is explanation of how ART fills the nulls. It is collaborative effort of all the speakers supporting the range. Not that I did not understand that before, but it stroke me again as I was watching the video. In addition to canceling algo, this is truly what distinguishes ART from the rest. The idea that you can't boost the null - which was the premise of general room EQ - is out of the window.

Thinking fundamentally about ART seems to really help understand - I will say it - quantum leap forward.
 
It was a great interview. I summarized it with AI so that people can easily jump to the parts they want to watch.



00:00–01:49 Intro / roles
- Interview with Josh (audio systems engineer at Dirac). He works on signal chains, analysis, tuning and calibration across products (automotive, consumer devices, etc.). Cross-domain learnings carry over.

02:29–03:49 Measurement points: why more points can improve ART
- Even if you keep the measurement “cloud” tight around one seat, adding more points can improve ART.
- ART wants to understand wavefront propagation across space; more measurements provide more spatial info (frequency/pressure variation), improving multi-speaker integration.

03:49–05:09 Does microphone order matter?
- Only the FIRST measurement position is critical (used for coarse time alignment).
- After the first point, the order of remaining positions doesn’t matter; the on-screen sequence is guidance, not a strict requirement.

05:27–05:52 UMIK-1 vs UMIK-2
- From Dirac’s perspective, there’s no meaningful advantage for UMIK-2 for ART calibration.
- Higher sampling rates are not required by the algorithm; calibration files largely account for device differences.

06:14–07:18 Pre-adjustments vs post-adjustments
- Pre-adjustments (sub trim/PEQ/placement fixes) are welcome, especially if there are large issues and the system’s correction gain window is limited (often ~10 dB).
- Post-calibration changes are discouraged because they can break filter integrity more than users expect.

07:18–11:16 Denon/Marantz “Directional Bass” vs ART, and LFE direction
- With ART, subwoofer “support” is calculated to match the main channel target. If subs support Front Left, the perceived direction should stay “Front Left” down into bass.
- LFE is mono by source; ART uses the center channel as a timing reference for LFE, which can make LFE feel like it comes from straight ahead.
- If someone truly hears/feels only one sub playing, something is wrong (possibly a bug/config). All subs should contribute; it can help to listen close to each sub to confirm it is active.

11:42–13:56 Splitting subs into groups and “missing target curve” confusion
- Key distinction: you are optimizing the playback channel target, not “EQing the subwoofer as an instrument.”
- A supporting sub group may not show its own target curve because it is trying to match the target/impulse of the group/channel it supports (e.g., the LFE group). Filters still exist per sub even if the UI doesn’t show a separate target curve.

14:36–16:31 Different hardware (e.g., StormAudio) and filter resources
- Dirac aims for similar core implementation across brands; higher-end processors may allow more cross terms/resources, especially for larger systems.
- Exact filter counts vary; the interview references that some devices show ~98 filters while bigger processors can be far higher.

18:32–19:54 Small speakers can still benefit
- Even bookshelf/small speakers can contribute (often ~70–150 Hz region) and be useful “support” resources.
- Josh mentions using ART on small ~4-inch desk speakers and perceiving a “bigger speaker” effect (e.g., sounding closer to 6-inch), in the sense of capability/weight.

20:18–21:30 “Less space” or “less bass” perception after ART
- Controlling room resonance removes lingering low-frequency energy; this can be perceived as less “space,” but it is mostly removal of unwanted energy.
- With better control, users may be able to raise the target curve a bit for cleaner punch without bloated resonance.

22:00–25:08 Infrasonic toggle / <20 Hz behavior
- ART currently applies a cutoff around 20 Hz. To get <20 Hz back, enable infrasonic pass-through, which is unfiltered.
- Unfiltered pass-through can create a hump depending on phase relationships; visually it may appear, but audibly it is often not a major concern.
- Infrasonic content is typically on LFE, but it can also exist on L/R depending on source; enabling on other groups is optional, not forbidden.

25:35–27:41 Target curve “following dips” (cancellations/nulls)
- In traditional single-speaker correction, boosting into deep nulls wastes headroom and rarely “fixes” the null.
- With ART (multi-speaker co-optimization below ~150 Hz), you generally don’t need to shape the target to follow dips; other speakers can fill gaps due to different positions/response.

28:08–30:51 Support Level parameter: not “volume,” and smearing concerns
- “Support Level” is expressed in dB but it’s a mathematical control input, not a direct loudness/gain knob; the scale is counterintuitive (more negative can mean stronger support/“working harder”).
- If worried about localization/smearing, a better first lever is lowering “F support high” (support upper frequency), because localization is more relevant at higher bass/low-mid than at very low bass.

31:10–33:33 F support high vs F SISO
- F SISO is described as the crossover region between MIMO (ART) and SIMO (traditional Dirac correction).
- Support does not stop abruptly; it rolls off toward F SISO. Keeping F support high and F SISO closer can avoid unintended “roll-off” behavior.
- Josh hints F SISO may be automated/removed in a future update to reduce confusion.

33:41–36:13 Phantom center / no center speaker
- If no center is present, the LFE timing reference can shift (e.g., to Front Left). In many cases localization differences are small.
- For off-center seating/asymmetric rooms, placing the first measurement at the actual listening position can yield a strong phantom center.

38:32–40:18 Center dialogue clarity and correction range
- Case-by-case. Often correction helps; if dialogue clarity needs a lift, adjust target curve around ~1–4 kHz slightly for the center.
- If room acoustics are already good, backing off correction can also sound pleasant. Experiment with presets.

40:18–41:06 Presets / running more filters on Denon/Marantz
- Denon/Marantz may allow multiple “speaker presets,” each with multiple Dirac slots. It can be used to A/B experiments without overwriting the baseline.

41:39–45:28 “Weak bass” after ART: common causes and fixes
- Sometimes “less bass” is simply removal of a huge peak/resonance that was previously perceived as bass.
- If placement is perfectly symmetric and both subs share the same dips, there may be limited ability to fix that specific null.
- With ART’s improved control, increasing the target curve (bass boost) can restore desired weight more cleanly.

46:35–47:52 What’s next / improvements
- Dirac is iterating based on user feedback. UI improvements mentioned: holding Shift to adjust certain parameters across groups, and overriding certain warnings to speed workflow.
- Algorithm improvements are ongoing.

48:25–50:31 Commentary on sub grouping experiments
- Different grouping approaches change which impulse/target the subs try to match (e.g., matching LFE vs matching surround channel impulse if subs are tied into surrounds as “full-range”).
- Splitting groups can be useful to apply different parameter limits based on sub capability (e.g., different F support low), while still applying per-sub filters.
 
It was a great interview. I summarized it with AI so that people can easily jump to the parts they want to watch.



00:00–01:49 Intro / roles
- Interview with Josh (audio systems engineer at Dirac). He works on signal chains, analysis, tuning and calibration across products (automotive, consumer devices, etc.). Cross-domain learnings carry over.

02:29–03:49 Measurement points: why more points can improve ART
- Even if you keep the measurement “cloud” tight around one seat, adding more points can improve ART.
- ART wants to understand wavefront propagation across space; more measurements provide more spatial info (frequency/pressure variation), improving multi-speaker integration.

03:49–05:09 Does microphone order matter?
- Only the FIRST measurement position is critical (used for coarse time alignment).
- After the first point, the order of remaining positions doesn’t matter; the on-screen sequence is guidance, not a strict requirement.

05:27–05:52 UMIK-1 vs UMIK-2
- From Dirac’s perspective, there’s no meaningful advantage for UMIK-2 for ART calibration.
- Higher sampling rates are not required by the algorithm; calibration files largely account for device differences.

06:14–07:18 Pre-adjustments vs post-adjustments
- Pre-adjustments (sub trim/PEQ/placement fixes) are welcome, especially if there are large issues and the system’s correction gain window is limited (often ~10 dB).
- Post-calibration changes are discouraged because they can break filter integrity more than users expect.

07:18–11:16 Denon/Marantz “Directional Bass” vs ART, and LFE direction
- With ART, subwoofer “support” is calculated to match the main channel target. If subs support Front Left, the perceived direction should stay “Front Left” down into bass.
- LFE is mono by source; ART uses the center channel as a timing reference for LFE, which can make LFE feel like it comes from straight ahead.
- If someone truly hears/feels only one sub playing, something is wrong (possibly a bug/config). All subs should contribute; it can help to listen close to each sub to confirm it is active.

11:42–13:56 Splitting subs into groups and “missing target curve” confusion
- Key distinction: you are optimizing the playback channel target, not “EQing the subwoofer as an instrument.”
- A supporting sub group may not show its own target curve because it is trying to match the target/impulse of the group/channel it supports (e.g., the LFE group). Filters still exist per sub even if the UI doesn’t show a separate target curve.

14:36–16:31 Different hardware (e.g., StormAudio) and filter resources
- Dirac aims for similar core implementation across brands; higher-end processors may allow more cross terms/resources, especially for larger systems.
- Exact filter counts vary; the interview references that some devices show ~98 filters while bigger processors can be far higher.

18:32–19:54 Small speakers can still benefit
- Even bookshelf/small speakers can contribute (often ~70–150 Hz region) and be useful “support” resources.
- Josh mentions using ART on small ~4-inch desk speakers and perceiving a “bigger speaker” effect (e.g., sounding closer to 6-inch), in the sense of capability/weight.

20:18–21:30 “Less space” or “less bass” perception after ART
- Controlling room resonance removes lingering low-frequency energy; this can be perceived as less “space,” but it is mostly removal of unwanted energy.
- With better control, users may be able to raise the target curve a bit for cleaner punch without bloated resonance.

22:00–25:08 Infrasonic toggle / <20 Hz behavior
- ART currently applies a cutoff around 20 Hz. To get <20 Hz back, enable infrasonic pass-through, which is unfiltered.
- Unfiltered pass-through can create a hump depending on phase relationships; visually it may appear, but audibly it is often not a major concern.
- Infrasonic content is typically on LFE, but it can also exist on L/R depending on source; enabling on other groups is optional, not forbidden.

25:35–27:41 Target curve “following dips” (cancellations/nulls)
- In traditional single-speaker correction, boosting into deep nulls wastes headroom and rarely “fixes” the null.
- With ART (multi-speaker co-optimization below ~150 Hz), you generally don’t need to shape the target to follow dips; other speakers can fill gaps due to different positions/response.

28:08–30:51 Support Level parameter: not “volume,” and smearing concerns
- “Support Level” is expressed in dB but it’s a mathematical control input, not a direct loudness/gain knob; the scale is counterintuitive (more negative can mean stronger support/“working harder”).
- If worried about localization/smearing, a better first lever is lowering “F support high” (support upper frequency), because localization is more relevant at higher bass/low-mid than at very low bass.

31:10–33:33 F support high vs F SISO
- F SISO is described as the crossover region between MIMO (ART) and SIMO (traditional Dirac correction).
- Support does not stop abruptly; it rolls off toward F SISO. Keeping F support high and F SISO closer can avoid unintended “roll-off” behavior.
- Josh hints F SISO may be automated/removed in a future update to reduce confusion.

33:41–36:13 Phantom center / no center speaker
- If no center is present, the LFE timing reference can shift (e.g., to Front Left). In many cases localization differences are small.
- For off-center seating/asymmetric rooms, placing the first measurement at the actual listening position can yield a strong phantom center.

38:32–40:18 Center dialogue clarity and correction range
- Case-by-case. Often correction helps; if dialogue clarity needs a lift, adjust target curve around ~1–4 kHz slightly for the center.
- If room acoustics are already good, backing off correction can also sound pleasant. Experiment with presets.

40:18–41:06 Presets / running more filters on Denon/Marantz
- Denon/Marantz may allow multiple “speaker presets,” each with multiple Dirac slots. It can be used to A/B experiments without overwriting the baseline.

41:39–45:28 “Weak bass” after ART: common causes and fixes
- Sometimes “less bass” is simply removal of a huge peak/resonance that was previously perceived as bass.
- If placement is perfectly symmetric and both subs share the same dips, there may be limited ability to fix that specific null.
- With ART’s improved control, increasing the target curve (bass boost) can restore desired weight more cleanly.

46:35–47:52 What’s next / improvements
- Dirac is iterating based on user feedback. UI improvements mentioned: holding Shift to adjust certain parameters across groups, and overriding certain warnings to speed workflow.
- Algorithm improvements are ongoing.

48:25–50:31 Commentary on sub grouping experiments
- Different grouping approaches change which impulse/target the subs try to match (e.g., matching LFE vs matching surround channel impulse if subs are tied into surrounds as “full-range”).
- Splitting groups can be useful to apply different parameter limits based on sub capability (e.g., different F support low), while still applying per-sub filters.
Thx that's actually very helpful.
 
I loved Joss comment in the beginning about mono bass. I figured these guys were after the same thing I am, he mentions the feel too so he’s definitely speaking my language. Also not being able to create bass, folks think the bloom/reverb is bass and when it’s removed as it should be they hear the true response and either it’s good or your source speakers need fixed.
 
Please release pc version!
Next year.
 
I am tempted to try ART on my AV10.
Now using Audysey.
One issue I have is that I would lose dynamic loudness correction that I really like.
If Dirac would add that feature that would be great!
 
I am tempted to try ART on my AV10.
Now using Audysey.
One issue I have is that I would lose dynamic loudness correction that I really like.
If Dirac would add that feature that would be great!
I think this feature, being an extension of tone controls, should rest with the AVR/AVP platform manufacturer.

Dirac focuses on achieving optimal high fidelity results in the room.

Note: there is a loudness feature associated with the Dolby decoder/mixer - which can be used alongside Dirac
 
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