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Acoustic effects of the audiophile shrine
- Thread starter Thomas savage
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I can only think If indeed it is truly harmful that it would be to do do with the off axis response of the speakers.
But the degree of off axis would already be steep ,at that point even with your speakers toed in.
Having a flat table I between you and the speakers would be worse .
AJ or Amir will know.
Keith.
But the degree of off axis would already be steep ,at that point even with your speakers toed in.
Having a flat table I between you and the speakers would be worse .
AJ or Amir will know.
Keith.
OP
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It could well in part be a brain thing, you see the rack where the sound is coming from and it buggers up the illusion.
But some guys have racks to the side wall... That got to be bad!? Lateral reflections and such.
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See no issues with that. It actually acts like a scattering device which is good in the front wall.
Between front speakers was always popular for me, especially with planar speakers that have little radiation to the sides. Most speakers have little response 180 degrees off-axis and that seems like a good place for electronics and (especially) turntables.
We used to measure TT output using a silent groove to check out resonances and how much vibration the TT was picking up via mechanical or airborne sources. Was pretty enlightening and sometimes a little scary but very OT for this thread. And like everything else my info is ancient and undocumented so useless to many. But, I remember, and have no real need to prove to anyone else. Those experiments did help guide my first audiophile TT purchase, however.
We used to measure TT output using a silent groove to check out resonances and how much vibration the TT was picking up via mechanical or airborne sources. Was pretty enlightening and sometimes a little scary but very OT for this thread. And like everything else my info is ancient and undocumented so useless to many. But, I remember, and have no real need to prove to anyone else. Those experiments did help guide my first audiophile TT purchase, however.
Mivera
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Did you ABX those cable stands?
Mivera
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I find a lot of the big wigs with the uber expensive stereos have the gear off to the side with 30+ feet of interconnects going to the amps. The main reason for this is so the dealer can sell them more cable.
OP
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Yea they are a special wood, like the cardas ones. Tried all sorts and these ' sound' the best
Mpingo?
Keith
Keith
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I have African hardwood stuck to my wall socket and distribution block...
They have special topaz crystals on them to....
DIY accident?I have African hardwood stuck to my wall socket and distribution block...
They have special topaz crystals on them to....
Keith
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A lesson to handle your hardwood with care, try it in different places and know its effectiveness is probably over estimated..
AJ Soundfield
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Yo Don, that would be like, behind the speakers...and also incorrect, because even monopole speakers have significant rearward radiation, due to the trends of narrow baffles and small drivers, which are largely omni directional in the lower frequencies of their passband. Ain't nothing to stop that wrap around.
Anyway, this looks more 75 degree-ish, the speakers toed-in and pushed back behind the plane of the shrine.
Speaking of speakers, looki here at this Vivid:
Note that we are barely down 6db over a large swath at 90 degrees of axis!!
Methinks shrine between, not such a good idea. A wide, low rack would be my suggestion. That way you could kneel in front of each component!!
Yeah, I meant 90 degrees, brain fart. The radiation pattern of speakers is heavily dependent upon so many variables that there is no really hard and fast rule, at least for me.
Where would you put the stand?
Remind me to never post in any thread in which you are participating; I'll never match your level of acumen and expertise.
Where would you put the stand?
Remind me to never post in any thread in which you are participating; I'll never match your level of acumen and expertise.
You see the cursor position and the label saying -9.33 db at 7 Khz??? After that, it drops much more yet again. My quick read says -18 db at 20 Khz. Wouldn't call this barely 6 db down.Speaking of speakers, looki here at this Vivid:
Note that we are barely down 6db over a large swath at 90 degrees of axis!!
AJ Soundfield
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Well yeah, but I was referring to the ones specifically in this thread which we have data for (I think those are G3s)
Umm, low and in between?
If you don't participate, how am I going to remember to remind you not to??
Look, I told you I'm not an expert either, but I do play one on TV.
cheers,
AJ
p.s. now watch Amir ask me if I have any AES papers on low racks!
OP
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They play a little louder in the HF than standard as I had them match to my preference in room but still amps etc lo and wide would do no harm. I would ideally like them behind the speaker line but not possible with this lay out.
Oh and AJ like you I am too busy worshiping or is that loathing myself to kneel down and worship my hifi...
Oh and AJ like you I am too busy worshiping or is that loathing myself to kneel down and worship my hifi...
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AJ Soundfield
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I would, especially at less than 90 which his picture clearly shows. He's going to have strong reflections of the shrine with that setup. Whether he finds it audible or detrimental is whole 'nother story.
-18db at 20k? You see the thick hair around his ears, I doubt he can hear much past 12k
Strong reflections from sides of equipment in that shelf? I don't think so. It is pretty airy in there and anything hitting them is going to then bounce off the wall and then get to your ear.
As I said, what is there is more akin to a scattering device than hard reflections as if it were a wall.
I confess my stuff is enshrined between the speakers and under the TV.
It makes for a compact installation with a minimum of cabling. My speakers are somewhat planar-like too.
At least, that's my story, and I'm sticking with it, for now.
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