Accuphase E-3000

[Mr Tripp]

It is an electronic device that works in the electronic plane. Everything it does can be measured. An Accuphase does not measure any better that a Fosi that costs 200$
Most likely you were fooled by one amplifier playing louder than the other.

And you know this how? Have you personally tested both of these amplifiers and charted the results? If so, show us.

 

[Svend P]

You said that this “Accuphase does not measure any better than a Fosi that costs 200$”. Your statement, without any proof, without any comparison. Frankly, at least misleading and I cannot imagine why one needs to publish such unsupported opinions. You said it, then prove it.

What measurement would make you think what Mr Tripp said would have any truth to it? They both measure beyond human hearing. What else is there to discuss?

 

[Mr Tripp]

From a technical point of view. Sound vise they will be the same

To your ears perhaps, but not everyone's. Your position on the issue might be true in theory, but theory is just that ... it isn't necessarily what we experience in the real world.

 

[pma]

@Svend P I do not care about Mr Tripp at all. I did care about your unsupported statement, because I do not like such behaviour. That’s all and finished. I do not intend to debate about it. You have no proof, no measurements of E-3000. So your statement was a lie. That’s what I did care about.

 

[Mr Tripp]

What measurement would make you think what Mr Tripp said would have any truth to it? They both measure beyond human hearing. What else is there to discuss?

Let's discuss the truth. You offered a very specific statement. The other gentleman is simply asking that you provide proof. Since you are evasive and seemingly reluctant to support your statement, you leave us no choice but to doubt and question it. It's nothing personal, just provide us quantifiable and verifiable evidence to support your position.

 

[Mr Tripp]

What measurement would make you think what Mr Tripp said would have any truth to it? They both measure beyond human hearing. What else is there to discuss?

Within reasonable limits, measurements will be of no use to prove what I (or anyone else for that matter) might hear.

 

[Mr Tripp]

@Svend P I do not care about Mr Tripp at all. I did care about your unsupported statement, because I do not like such behaviour. That’s all and finished. I do not intend to debate about it. You have no proof, no measurements of E-3000. So your statement was a lie. That’s what I did care about.

That might be a bit harsh. I agree that he should be willing to provide evidence to support his statement, but failing to do so doesn't necessarily mean he is lying to us.

 

[Mnyb]

Within reasonable limits, measurements will be of no use to prove what I (or anyone else for that matter) might hear.

It would in such cases where its beyond any human ever born ot to be born ie all of us .
It’s like jumbiing over a building biological impossible,

But i do like accuphase for the usual reasons . I would not buy due to not being a billionaire.

But they do deliver stuff that no other super expensive high end brand do . Quality and service beyond almost everything and they are actually engineered .

Not cargo cult contraptions like many hign end brands. ( dart Zeel )

Luxury brand for sure , but they deliver.

Bad car analogy coming….

Would you buy a Porsche or some exotic that spontaneity catch fire on the highway

That's what i feal about high end many super expensive brands are just cr*p accuphase is not .

Cool stuff for sure ( i want ) but it doesn’t ad up if your on any kind of budget.

 

[Mr Tripp]

It would in such cases where its beyond any human ever born ot to be born ie all of us .
It’s like jumbiing over a building biological impossible,

But i do like accuphase for the usual reasons . I would not buy due to not being a billionaire.

But they do deliver stuff that no other super expensive high end brand do . Quality and service beyond almost everything and they are actually engineered .

Not cargo cult contraptions like many hign end brands. ( dart Zeel )

Luxury brand for sure , but they deliver.

Bad car analogy coming….

Would you buy a Porsche or some exotic that spontaneity catch fire on the highway

That's what i feal about high end many super expensive brands are just cr*p accuphase is not .

Cool stuff for sure ( i want ) but it doesn’t ad up if your on any kind of budget.

Thanks for the response, but please note that I qualified my comment with the caveat "within reasonable limits". Meaning reasonable to detection by human ears. Drawing conclusions about the audible qualities of any product based solely on measurements bordering on the limits of electronics, physics and human hearing probably isn't reasonable nor the nuances detectable. Enjoy the music!

 

[PlanAvi]

You can pass a Ferrari with a tuned Golf R, but the car you passed is a Ferrari.

 

[A Surfer]

You can pass a Ferrari with a tuned Golf R, but the car you passed is a Ferrari.

Still just a car though, doesn't do anything differently.

 

[PlanAvi]

Still just a car though, doesn't do anything differently.

this depends on what you see

 

[A Surfer]

this depends on what you see

I suppose, if people want to create their own reality and imagine things, but objectively it is just a car in a functional sense.

 

[DSJR]

Domestic audio appreciation is, I now firmly feel, a multi-sensory experience. Looks, feel and cachet/feel-good factor in observing and using luxury goods like Accuphase is vitally important to those wealthy enough to by such confections. Tastefully set up, an Accuphase system is a gorgeous thing to behold and use. The sonics, such as they are, totally lack any grain or hardness of tone, something Naim amps I feel, haven't quite got rid of even today, despite odd order distortion of their modern products being at least 15 - 20dB better than the 'CB era' in the 80s I used to deal with.

Sure, Luxman can do similar for 2/3 the price of an Accuphase and for me, the solidly made Quad Artera pre and 'Stereo' power amp does it for 20% of the price ( ). The fact you can get such a generally great performance from dinky boxes costing $/£200 is irrelevant really for people able to afford luxury brands.

 

[mlsstl]

I suppose, if people want to create their own reality and imagine things, but objectively it is just a car in a functional sense.

A great illustration of how different people view an object for its characteristics beyond basic functionality. A Rembrandt is just some paint on a canvas. Some people appreciate his paintings more than others. It doesn't bother me that some value an object more than I do, or vice versa.

 

[A Surfer]

A great illustration of how different people view an object for its characteristics beyond basic functionality. A Rembrandt is just some paint on a canvas. Some people appreciate his paintings more than others. It doesn't bother me that some value an object more than I do, or vice versa.

Nor I, but again, speaking strictly from a functional perspective, the Ferrari remains just a car. I will further caption that by noting that my world view holds that public roadways should never be thought of as or used for fun.

In that regard, acceleration, power, handling performance have zero relevance because everyone on public roads should be driving normally and find the experience unremarkable.

In that context, a car is a car. Very simplistic I know, but I don't think there is a need for high performance cars anywhere on public roads. Very boring I get it, but I just want to get from A to B.

 

[mlsstl]

Nor I, but again, speaking strictly from a functional perspective, the Ferrari remains just a car. I will further caption that by noting that my world view holds that public roadways should never be thought of as or used for fun.

In that regard, acceleration, power, handling performance have zero relevance because everyone on public roads should be driving normally and find the experience unremarkable.

In that context, a car is a car. Very simplistic I know, but I don't think there is a need for high performance cars anywhere on public roads. Very boring I get it, but I just want to get from A to B.

I'll mildly disagree -- there is absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying one's drive. For many, a sporty car is much more fun to drive than a base model, even when done well within the rules of the road. Same with a luxury sedan with super comfortable seats, a quiet ride, good stereo. And some cars combine elements of both. Sure, a wide variety of cars can get you from point A to point B, but some provide a better experience that many appreciate and are willing to spend what it takes. The same is true in lots of other areas of life.

 

[pablolie]

Accuphase is awesome. The $$ you pay for it is a completely personal consideration. But... unlike other highish end brands... no one can accuse you to spend money on low performing audio snake oil. Accupase has always performed.

If my divorce hadn't happened, I'd still be happily living with my E306v as an amp and a DP65v as a DAC. 1999 stuff, but total end game in the right environment.