ABX vs "long listening" explained - video

[ExPerfectionist]

I thought this video was very interesting.

I know that for myself, if I am jumping back and forth (for example on the NPR audio comparison article, or comparing streaming vs CD, or CD player running to AVR vs running through DAC to AVR), I try to focus on specific details if I think I hear a difference and try to see if it's the same or different in the other version/s. Even if I do longer chunks of music before switching, I still go back and forth many multiple times to make sure I am hearing a difference or if I'm just imagining a difference because it's a new detail I hadn't focused on before.

 

[Chrispy]

I'm sorry, but who is this guy and why is he worth a watch at all? What specifically do you find interesting etc? Your own vague commentary isn't useful in any case. Just what the heck are you talking about ?

 

[Somafunk]

Jesus…."it’s that f-kin edjit Lachlan again………. , leave the blindfold on him and let him roam in traffic

 

[boxerfan88]

Video saying that audio blind test overloads the brain, therefore brain discards stuff and focus only on a few things/areas. No clue where this theory comes from…

 

[Blumlein 88]

I made it to the 2:09 mark. Yep this guy is an idiot. Plain and simple. Now no he is not an idiot, but if you do what an idiot does because you cannot bring yourself to see the truth of reality, you will get idiotic results. His opening example is mind numbingly dumb. Make that capital D, DUMB.

No need to go further it will be a waste of time. If the OP found something worthwhile that isn't dumb, the onus is on him to explain it briefly and tell us what part of the video is not an IQ reducing bit of fluff.

 

[Old_School_Brad]

Jesus…."it’s that f-kin edjit Lachlan again………. , leave the blindfold on him and let him roam in traffic

He’s so ridiculously annoying, it’s beyond frustrating.

And he’s wrong as well. -No matter how much he savors his own words or how close he gets to the camera, it doesn’t change that.

 

[Old_School_Brad]

Video saying that audio blind test overloads the brain, therefore brain discards stuff and focus only on a few things/areas. No clue where this theory comes from…

That’s ridiculous.

I can only imagine what happens to his overloaded brain when he opens his eyes -does it start leaking out through his ears and nose?

 

[JSmith]

overloads the brain

Lachlan takes facts about certain aspects of perception and combines them into an argument against blind testing in audio, but then completely out of context. A disclaimer is shown @12:35, " * my opinion, not based on scientific study".

@PassionforSound (if you still read ASR), trained listening is what you are missing;

Harman How to Listen

A blog for users of the listener training software application "How to Listen."

harmanhowtolisten.blogspot.com

JSmith

 

[Hayabusa]

We can also long-listening ABX

 

[Blumlein 88]

Lachlan takes facts about certain aspects of perception and combines them into an argument against blind testing in audio, but then completely out of context. A disclaimer is shown @12:35, " * my opinion, not based on scientific study".

@PassionforSound (if you still read ASR), trained listening is what you are missing;

Harman How to Listen

A blog for users of the listener training software application "How to Listen."

harmanhowtolisten.blogspot.com

JSmith

Wait a minute. So the title is why you should not do blind ABX tests (according to science), and he puts in a disclaimer like that. Arguing in bad faith.

 

[pma]

I made it to the 2:09 mark. Yep this guy is an idiot. Plain and simple.

In such case, why do you and some other competent guys discuss it and try to “debunk”? Have you ever realized that you only spread the nonsense to other people and in fact make advertising for such disinformation producers?

 

[Geert]

I'm sorry, but who is this guy

A fantasist who once was an active member here but choose to leave after his made up theories got checked against scientific or engineering principles.

 

[Purité Audio]

Just don’t watch, it only encourages them, and will a belt be really effective!
Keith

 

[AdamG]

His frustration with the process and results is actually proof that blind testing does work. In his attempt to discredit the process he proves that he was unable to overcome his entrenched biases. He wanted a different outcome and failed. I see that as a win for the blind testing process.

 

[Sokel]

I won't watch it of course, the fact alone that he thinks "blind testing" means blindfolded is enough to scrap it.
In fact, blindfolded is the absolute worst way to do it.

 

[thewas]

Wasn't a rule recently implemented of not posting (such) videos if not a summary is provided?

 

[BDWoody]

I thought this video was very interesting

It's more support for the lamentations of the founder of Stereophile, J. Gordon Holt that seems to sum it up well:

"Do you see any signs of future vitality in high-end audio?

Vitality? Don't make me laugh. Audio as a hobby is dying, largely by its own hand. As far as the real world is concerned, high-end audio lost its credibility during the 1980s, when it flatly refused to submit to the kind of basic honesty controls (double-blind testing, for example) that had legitimized every other serious scientific endeavor since Pascal. [This refusal] is a source of endless derisive amusement among rational people and of perpetual embarrassment for me, because I am associated by so many people with the mess my disciples made of spreading my gospel."

45 Years of Stereophile

It was 45 years ago this month that the first issue of Stereophile, just 20 pages in length, went in the mail. It had been founded by one J. Gordon Holt. Gordon had been technical editor of High Fidelity magazine in the 1950s, and was tired of being asked to pander to the demands of advertisers.

www.stereophile.com

This isn't something that needs a lot of discussion.

Wasn't a rule recently implemented of not posting (such) videos if not a summary is provided?

It's actually an article, but same idea. I think we can close this thread. Not much new to see here.