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A new Kef speaker? The Kef LS Luxe

I wanted to ask... The design is fine (KEF were doing lozenge-shaped AV satellite speakers twenty-five years ago, the larger of the two were really good i recall) so that's not an issue, but what about long-term servicing after reported difficulties on here with an earlier active model? At least the two main favourite brands here don't seem to have that problem if issues arrise.
 
Linear directivity means that total reflections decrease in a linear function, that's why this tilted stright line is considered (close to) perfectly linear.
That's your definition, most call that smooth/continuously decreasing, linear response usually means flat.

No speaker have horizontal in room response, It would be quite unpleasant, you can target a flat curve in room response in a room correction software and verify.
Nope, there exist constant directivity designs which result also to a relatively flat room response. Such don't sound as bright as when someone equalises a loudspeaker with increasing directvity like the KH120 to such as for the first the direct sound is flat while for the second it will be increasing to high frequencies.
 
They look very interesting, seem to be genuinely very good speakers and for my budget I would be looking for a discounted set in the long run.
Can these be placed near a wall or even wall mounted?
 
They look very interesting, seem to be genuinely very good speakers and for my budget I would be looking for a discounted set in the long run.
Can these be placed near a wall or even wall mounted?
They have an EQ setting for a near wall placement.
 
I am not sure what I should make of your post but no I haven’t heard them yet and explicitly said that in my social media post multiple times. I made it clear that its just a analysis of the loudspeakers design based on reading the white paper, having similar KEF designs at home and have listened to most current ones. from that I derived some expectations about the performance with a disclaimer that it is just a educated guess, similar to the discussion here.
I do apologise then, as I was incorrectly inferring from your report of the Reddit issue that you’d actually heard some. Thanks for explaining.
 
Its odd that outside of Sony , no one else seems to be focussed on living room theatre market with large 98 / 115 screen.

5.2 setup with these kefs would be killer
That may be because KEF is based in Britain. We invariably have modest living rooms, often shared with the rest of the family. US homes that I’ve visited and stayed in often have vast spaces, open plan areas, dens and listening rooms unheard of by most in Blighty!

And speaking personally, I hate home cinema, unless it’s in a dedicated space. In any event I prefer music to movies! I realise not everyone has similar tastes.
 
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call that smooth/continuously decreasing
Smoothnes means that the function of amplitude for each frequency behaves non-abruptly, within some degree of finesse of the sample (in a very sensitivity analysis all speaker are non smooth).

If the function of amplitude with respect to frequency is monotonous, with constant slope, this is "linear" by mathematical definition: that's It, double the frequency of some reference of your choice, the deviation of SPL is double (in logarithm units) the reference deviation with respect to the lowest frequency (ideally 0 Hz).

Ok, you're talking about multidireccional loudspeakers with many tweeters and drivers, to flat the response curve.

But this was out of the topic we were speaking about, as KEF LS Luxe and Neumann KH 120 II are front firing monitors.

POST EDITED: BTW, if I should consider Neumanns as contenders of KEFs of this post, probably the most true to comparison would be the KH 150, although is not a coaxial.

My only contender in mind are Genelec 8341, maybe are other speakers but I don't know about them.
 
Certainly, there are many variables here, so I can't draw any conclusions. However, since he uses the same tracks for other speakers, there is no denying that it sound a bit "bite"-less. I know, I know. The door is there; but, is it so that VECO has no downsides?
From what I understand the idea of a monitoring and driver movement correction system is not new but it is quite a challenge to pack the sensor and the power for that sensor into the driver motor system. with VECO they printed the coil lines on a flexible foil which replaces the former on the voice coil and acts as the sensor which is based on inductance, so requires no external power. However the coil on the foil would couple with the magnetic field of the voice coil but thanks to a special winding pattern of the coil lines on the foil they avoided the coupling and thats the key innovation of veco. So to answer your question: yes they mitigated the downsides of such a system.

This stuff is a bit over my head so I hope you all correct me if I get it wrong.
It odd that outside of Sony , no one else seems to be focussed on living room theatre market with large 98 / 115 screen.

5.2 setup with these kefs would be killer

I don’t know where you live but Hisense and especially TCL TVs have become really good and they focus on these sizes. I would even argue the current flagship of TCL, the X11L is better than the Sony flagship in many aspects. It caps out at 98 inch though. Source: I test TVs and have seen it in person. Write me a pm if you want to answer so we don’t sidetrack this thread.
 
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If the function of amplitude with respect to frequency is monotonous, with constant slope, this is "linear" by mathematical definition: that's It, double the frequency of some reference of your choice, the deviation of SPL is double (in logarithm units) the reference deviation with respect to the lowest frequency (ideally 0 Hz).
Yes, but for frequency response in audio usually no one calls a linearly decreasing or increasing (which btw is usually only linearly at logarithmic scale) as a linear, an audio device with a linear response means usually flat.
 
Yes, but for frequency response in audio usually no one calls a linearly decreasing or increasing (which btw is usually only linearly at logarithmic scale) as a linear, an audio device with a linear response means usually flat.
I think you're confounding on axis flat anechoic response with linearity, but if you want we can continue the discussion on personal thread, to don't deviate off this thread topic.
 
LS Luxe : 298 mm x 223 mm x 336 mm = 22 L
LS : 305 x 200 x 311 mm= 20 L

So about 10% difference if you consider how much space it needs, though it looks like the LS Luxe occupies more volume in thatthat bounding box.
“ In addition, the internal volume of the LS LUXE cabinet is approximately 50% larger than the LS50.” From the KEF white paper, so presumably the internals are quite different?
 
“ In addition, the internal volume of the LS LUXE cabinet is approximately 50% larger than the LS50.” From the KEF white paper, so presumably the internals are quite different?
Maybe the extra room is for improving low response distortion-group delay, port resonances...
 
“ In addition, the internal volume of the LS LUXE cabinet is approximately 50% larger than the LS50.” From the KEF white paper, so presumably the internals are quite different?
The speaker is a bit bigger. But They used a different cabinet material which made it more inert by default. The shape might help with resonances too but not sure about that. This allowed them to reduce the internal bracing which freed the internal volume. More volume will help with efficiency, not sure about other benefits.
 
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LS Luxe : 298 mm x 223 mm x 336 mm = 22 L
LS : 305 x 200 x 311 mm= 20 L

So about 10% difference if you consider how much space it needs, though it looks like the LS Luxe occupies more volume in thatthat bounding box.
x=29.8*22.3*33.6/1000
y=30.5*20*31.1/1000

So x is 22.32854, y is 18.971 (not 20), and x/y - 1 = 17.7% (not about 10%).
(I have not checked that your stated LS and LS Luxe dimensions are correct)
 
Smoothnes means that the function of amplitude for each frequency behaves non-abruptly, within some degree of finesse of the sample (in a very sensitivity analysis all speaker are non smooth).

If the function of amplitude with respect to frequency is monotonous, with constant slope, this is "linear" by mathematical definition: that's It, double the frequency of some reference of your choice, the deviation of SPL is double (in logarithm units) the reference deviation with respect to the lowest frequency (ideally 0 Hz).

Ok, you're talking about multidireccional loudspeakers with many tweeters and drivers, to flat the response curve.

But this was out of the topic we were speaking about, as KEF LS Luxe and Neumann KH 120 II are front firing monitors.

POST EDITED: BTW, if I should consider Neumanns as contenders of KEFs of this post, probably the most true to comparison would be the KH 150, although is not a coaxial.

My only contender in mind are Genelec 8341, maybe are other speakers but I don't know about them.
What you describe is than either linear increasing or decreasing, not just linear. However you and @thewas can both be right at the same time, since something can be right in a mathematical dimension and still have a different meaning in other context through conventions agreed on by society.
 
KEF LS Luxe is less like a rectangular prism (cuboid), so KEF LS Luxe's volume will be less than 17.7% larger than KEF LS's. They only having 10% larger volume may in fact be correct.
 
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I think you're confounding on axis flat anechoic response with linearity, but if you want we can continue the discussion on personal thread, to don't deviate off this thread topic.
I think you're confounding linearity of a LTI system with a linear frequency response but as you said this is now off-topic and can be discussed if interested in a PM or in other threads like this https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-meaning-of-linear.43373/
 
I think you're confounding linearity of a LTI system with a linear frequency response but as you said this is now off-topic and can be discussed if interested in a PM or in other threads like this https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-meaning-of-linear.43373/
Quite interesting, one of the technical experts use engineering definition of linearity, stating that not means flat response, but he adds that the term has evolved in audio to other meanings.

I will read It carefully later.

Coming back to the KEF discussion and the YouTube recordings of a room with the speaker playing a track, I think one can be totally wrong when trusting the subjective comparison between direct file and recorded file.

This will be may be another interesting thread.

I rewrite my comment:

"I listened some video recordings of Neumann KH 120 II and sounded tonally very different from the reference track.

Graphs and my own experience agree that, conversely, is a very neutral speaker that has an excellent in room response"

Maybe the opposite is not true: if a live recording of the KEFs is tonally true to reference sample, this cannot occur by coincidence.

Anyways, before spending 4000€ (even if we have 14 day period of retractation rights) I will wait for Erin or Amir, or any other quasi anechoic measurements.
 
Add grilles to that and I could see it replacing the KH 120 II on my desk.
Did you see that guy making some "fan-base" DIY grilles for LS50?
 
I also would like to see something like that in a bookshelf form (the LS60 is like that, but it is a floor stander). Maybe something like the LS Luxe or LS50 Wireless with two 165mm (6.5") woofers, one on each side. Obviously it would be bigger, though.
I'm really drawn to these "money-no-object" bookshelves.
 
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