Would not work for me, I don’t want a TV screen or computer anywhere near my stereo
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A new $7000 CD Player? Insane.
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Then it would have to be on all the time or the room would look odd.
(My wife would likely say that much more strongly. She does not curse, ever. But she certainly has a way with words)!
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restorer-john
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You should be ashamed for selling that system unless maybe it was for something like medical treatment for a loved one, paying legal fees for a child/partner about to be incarcerated or paying for your mother's funeral. Any other excuses don't cut it.
restorer-john
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I'll take a 4xMSB trimmed PCM-58P-selection S.
At around $7K a component it is high end in the pricing.
But if you've the money and you like the looks and the excessive build quality why not have this over the cheapest thing that will also do the job?
I bought my transport and preamp/DAC mostly on the looks, since the sound quality is a given.
The transport was quite expensive but there was nothing on the new market that was cheaper (or more expensive for that matter) that I liked the appearance of, and I wanted to buy brand new.
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It is true - sometime you just want stuff... I don't think everyone here only owns $120 Topping DACs !
The point is to a) know what you are getting and why and b) don't steer other people wrong... whatever you are getting/have, make clear that the price point for good reproduction is much lower.My wife bought me a dress shirt with no pockets once when w were living overseas. I told her to take it back and never buy me a shirt that does not have at least 1 pocket (including T-Shirts), preferably dress shirts with 2 pockets.For the same reason people buy record players for $125,000 or even $150,000.
Because they can.
Nowadays, $7,000 is a bargain for the feeling of owning something special.
And the last shirt has no pockets anyway...
She did not by me any clothing for the next 3 years.
I seem to be having difficulty taking an album off my iPad as my hand won’t go through the screen, how does this work?
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You must not be moving your hand fast enough and with enough force.
manisandher
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Any other excuses don't cut it.
Guilty as charged. But in my defence...
At the time, it seemed to me that CDs and FM radio were on their way out, and computer audio was the way to go. That was clearly correct to a large extent.
But there was no imperative to sell the Michi stack. In retrospect, I should have kept it... if for no other reason than to play to odd CD (which I'm weirdly doing more of nowadays!)... and also just to bring a smile to my face every time I look at it.
A few years ago, I bought a (used) dCS Scarlatti stack... perhaps to redeem myself in some way. But it's never had anywhere near the same effect on me as the Michi (perhaps just because I'm older... and wiser???)... hence why it's going to a new home this week. Not quite good riddance, but almost.
I've owned some other really lovely kit in the past too, such as the Pacific Microsonics Model Two. Haven't regretted selling any of it.
But the Michi...
Mani.
It's so hard to find, in UK anyway. I saw the pre-amp up for sale once, some years ago now, but when I inquired it had already gone.
I can't recall ever seeing the CD player or power amp up for sale. Don't know if that's just down to rarity or that owners hardly ever decide to sell them.
Suspect with a lot of dedicated searching consistently over a long time you could eventually get it back. But sometimes we just have to move on.
I see parallels between the ideas that (1) audio products ought to be well engineered and not embarrass the manufacturer upon objective testing and (2) pricing/value should be comparable with performance. I don't have a link handy but I'm pretty sure that Amir has not recommended pieces here because pricing was so out of line with performance. Does anyone believe that a $7,000 CD player, no matter how it tests, would be recommended by Amir?
This is men's automatic watches. Exotic cars. Jewelry. Of course, techs love this stuff because the jewelry end of the audio market is the only thing that might keep their lights on in the future.
Buy all the jewelry you want. Do snow angels among your piles of bedazzled machinist wet dreams, but don't try to argue that this is reasonable from a performance-biased point of view.
ASR was a much better place when the discussions were almost exclusively about performance and included at least the implication that value is important. I'm stunned how many ASR regulars routinely express support for the fringes of the hobby, especially the big dollar fringes.
This is men's automatic watches. Exotic cars. Jewelry. Of course, techs love this stuff because the jewelry end of the audio market is the only thing that might keep their lights on in the future.
Buy all the jewelry you want. Do snow angels among your piles of bedazzled machinist wet dreams, but don't try to argue that this is reasonable from a performance-biased point of view.
ASR was a much better place when the discussions were almost exclusively about performance and included at least the implication that value is important. I'm stunned how many ASR regulars routinely express support for the fringes of the hobby, especially the big dollar fringes.
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In principle I don't disagree - that's what attracted me to ASR in the first place - popping that "this is expensive so it's better" bubble. But then again, there is also the personal preference part. As explained many times in the "vinyl renaissance" thread, sometimes you want to do things. As long you know and don't steer people wrong, it is fine.
Someone posted above that they got a used dcS Scarlatti "stack" - a quick search on ebay found me one at $16K - still a lot of dough, and of course susceptible to all the arguments against it - I mean, separate clock!
BUT - what if you wanted that all your life? what if you learned about when you were a kid and stared at it in the pages of the audio magazines? read all the reviews? dreamed of one day owning one? All good - the thing is what you think and preach about the whole thing.
If i had the money I would definitely spend in, for example a Fairlight CMI Series II or III - as long as you realize that a laptop with Cubase, a Focusrite Sapphire and NI software is way more capable than the Fairlight ever was... it's all good, IMHO
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I’m curious, do you know what your cut-off point is for what you would consider supporting “ big dollar fringes?”
It’s hard to know because you could be talking about hundred thousand dollar flagship speakers and turntables, or you may have a much much lower bar, and I might fit into that lunatic fringe.
For instance, to put a bull’s-eye on my back, here is my turntable, a Transrotor Fat Bob S turntable, that I bought secondhand and which came with an expensive Acoustic solid 12 inch arm and an expensive Benz micro Ebony L cartridge. Altogether it cost me $7000 CAD - less than half if I bought it all new.
Am I a nut supporting the fringes? (that’s OK. I don’t mind.). Or what type of equipment are you thinking of?
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restorer-john
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All I know is geckos make a mess of expensive video cards with that coating when they do their business on it...
Maybe because it has the "warm analog" sound?Naturally it is Darko talking about it:
Rotel introduces Michi Q5 CD player, CD transport & DAC | Darko.Audio
A top-loading CD player for your 'Michi by Rotel' amplification suite.darko.audio
Rotel Michi Q5 coming out in November. Why would anyone see $7000 in value in a CD player that can also be used as a DAC?
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Me too, Absolutely
In principle I don't disagree - that's what attracted me to ASR in the first place - popping that "this is expensive so it's better" bubble. But then again, there is also the personal preference part. As explained many times in the "vinyl renaissance" thread, sometimes you want to do things. As long you know and don't steer people wrong, it is fine.
Someone posted above that they got a used dcS Scarlatti "stack" - a quick search on ebay found me one at $16K - still a lot of dough, and of course susceptible to all the arguments against it - I mean, separate clock!
BUT - what if you wanted that all your life? what if you learned about when you were a kid and stared at it in the pages of the audio magazines? read all the reviews? dreamed of one day owning one? All good - the thing is what you think and preach about the whole thing.
If i had the money I would definitely spend in, for example a Fairlight CMI Series II or III - as long as you realize that a laptop with Cubase, a Focusrite Sapphire and NI software is way more capable than the Fairlight ever was... it's all good, IMHO
There are numerous forums wherein the story above would resonate bigly. I enjoyed ASR much more when stories like this would have earned multiple "uh huh" and eye-rolling posts in response. There is SO MUCH 'blingtastic' and 'aspirational' and 'look at my big $$$ gear' BS in the other forums that it was nice to have this site be something completely different.
It's not very different anymore and that's a bummer.
It also seems obvious that there are a number of quiet ASR trolls whose game appears to be endless posting about the virtues of audio subjectivity and chastising those who might question $$$ spent on audio baubles, usually not so aggressively that they get canned but enough to gum up the works.
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