Not perfect but soooo much better than the liberal bias BS puked out by much of the rest today.
The lies and mis-information spread by them as real news against our President is shameful.
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The lies and mis-information spread by them as real news against our President is shameful.
When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it was about privacy and leakage of facebook data. It seems to be about politics now (have not read it). I leave it to Thomas but just want to caution members to not try to get too political and start hating each other.
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Well, Sal, as I said, I welcome any proof that you might have of the "liberal" media, unlike Fox, factually distorting the news (not OpEds) they report, to the point of fabricated "lies" about him. In detail, please. I am aware of none, as in zero. But, my ears are open, as they always have been. BTW, since Fox News is now the leading TV news outlet, you can no longer play the old "victim" card about liberal control of the media. Fair?
But, I get it. An organization like Factcheck.com, since it reports that the President lies way, way more than any other in recorded history, must be biased because it is not saying what you want to believe without, by the way, your own independent objective proof.
The parallels to the microcosm of audio beliefs are always quite stark. I know where you stand on unjustified audio beliefs, quite strongly against them. I am with you on that. How do you reconcile that with your views based purely on belief about the media and the President with no objective evidence whatsoever?
Not quite fair, since your talking about a "outlet" composed of many others. If Fox gets 30% of the audience and with the rest divided between the others, you can't say Fox is controlling what the majority are hearing.
4 More Years.
The original post was about data-mining in this age of "I will store lot's of personal data about me, and a list of my friends, and our interactions will reveal more things about us if you care to look, and can figure out how to get to it, which probably isn't too hard if you read the API", which became cannon fodder for both of the only two political sides that have been able to make themselves matter in the current environment of Us vs Them.
I'd like to see an end of political parties, or, at least, a few more to make legislation jump through a few more hoops to get passed. If anyone has too much power, it's the two we have now.
Legislation By the Bully:
Currently the Elephants have the bully advantage, which may have a good chance of of being dissolved in the next election cycles by the Donkeys.
For President, I voted for what I thought to be the lesser of two evils. Had to do that in the past, too.
What a poor way for a voter and citizen of the Republic to make a decision for a relatively important post.
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You got it right first-up.
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Sal, why are you trying to obfuscate on this? The Nielsens clearly, without doubt, say Fox News is número uno in TV news broadcasting. No question. Why, after so much advocacy for objective, factual, no -BS reporting on audio, are you suddenly so smitten with reliance on a single source media outlet that happens to sing your tune, beyond any objective measures?Not quite fair, since your talking about a "outlet" composed of many others. If Fox gets 30% of the audience and with the rest divided between the others, you can't say Fox is controlling what the majority are hearing.
4 More Years.
Whatever, and let's not spit hairs. The days of the old, evil liberal media dominating TV news are over. You can't just fall back on the old liberal media bias story by being the "victim", the "underdog" to try to prove any argument you wish to make. You have to compete with the other side on the basis of your better, more truthful fact gathering, reporting and general "slant" on the news. Believe as you wish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_States_Congresses
For the last 50 years there has been a maximum of 3 members of each Congress not elected as Democrats or Republicans...
Listed below as "others".
If that isn't a power grab, I don't know what is.
Is there a choice of only two cars to buy, two amps, two CDs, only two anything other than the political affiliation of our representatives?
(Ok, I can think of a patented drug, maybe, what else?)
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Did you look at the numbers Ray just posted??? An average of 70% are watching Non-Fox sources.
If you don't believe a large hunk of that 70% isn't pushing a liberal-socialist agenda I won't argue, no use if you can't see it on your own.
Propaganda isn't propaganda to those who wish it to be effective in it's goals.
I'm done here, don't wish to push Amir or Thomas's limits any further.
!?!?!?!?! Sal do you have any idea what "socialism" really is ?!?! Do you truly believe they are something remotely close to a socialist agenda in the US ?!? I'm not even sure Bernie Sanders would be called a progressist in some northern european countries ...
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With all this hoopla, it seems to me it's Facebook that should be going after CA, and everyone that's upset about this should still be going after CA, instead of Facebook.
I don't know how exactly one can verify that data they send over "get's destroyed" and "will not be used again".
Or that the app collecting the "data" will "only use it" for the stated purpose ?
I don't know how exactly one can verify that data they send over "get's destroyed" and "will not be used again".
Or that the app collecting the "data" will "only use it" for the stated purpose ?
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Nice, on topic
If you want to carry on discussions regarding the OP please do so, otherwise just check out of this thread so I don’t have to move it to fight club or close it .
Cheers
Thanks , much appreciated .Did you look at the numbers Ray just posted??? An average of 70% are watching Non-Fox sources.
If you don't believe a large hunk of that 70% isn't pushing a liberal-socialist agenda I won't argue, no use if you can't see it on your own.
Propaganda isn't propaganda to those who wish it to be effective in it's goals.
I'm done here, don't wish to push Amir or Thomas's limits any further.
This is very, very true. Having travelled all over the world for my work it has always surprised me.
The US Democrats policies would and are considered quite right wing in most countries I have been in.
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"Let's make America great again" is saying America is not now great. That seems to be accepted by many but denied by them, also. Puzzling, to say the least.
Move to fight club, if necessary. Definitely move it as there seems to be unfinished STUFF. Of course it will not be productive because it will be 'fact' vs 'opinion'. Goes nowhere but entertains egos. Too many humans think that they are the centre of the universe and the outside is threatening. In the end it is individual focus vs societal need.
Margaret Thatcher put it out in the open when she stated there is no such thing as society, just individuals and their families. What was she smoking?
Mods, can you transfer this post to Fight Club. I don't want to type it all again. PLEASE.
PS. We need a distraction from all of that DAC footage.
Move to fight club, if necessary. Definitely move it as there seems to be unfinished STUFF. Of course it will not be productive because it will be 'fact' vs 'opinion'. Goes nowhere but entertains egos. Too many humans think that they are the centre of the universe and the outside is threatening. In the end it is individual focus vs societal need.
Margaret Thatcher put it out in the open when she stated there is no such thing as society, just individuals and their families. What was she smoking?
Mods, can you transfer this post to Fight Club. I don't want to type it all again. PLEASE.
PS. We need a distraction from all of that DAC footage.
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The politics stuff started when it was mentioned that the earlier Obama campaigns also used tactics where Facebook friends' data was hoovered up and analysed without their consent. Apparently Facebook's terms and conditions were different then, and this made it 'legal'.
How many people around here don't do Facebook? I don't - except for a brief trial a few years ago. Back then, it seemed like a nice adjunct to 'real life', but I am amazed at how quickly it became 'real life' even for people who had lived in the pre-internet age.
How many people around here don't do Facebook? I don't - except for a brief trial a few years ago. Back then, it seemed like a nice adjunct to 'real life', but I am amazed at how quickly it became 'real life' even for people who had lived in the pre-internet age.
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"Let's make America great again" is saying America is not now great. That seems to be accepted by many but denied by them, also. Puzzling, to say the least.
Move to fight club, if necessary.
Politics is very contentious in the best of circumstances. Politics across several countries would only be more so. I doubt I can fully comprehend or even pretty well comprehend all that goes into the general political climate of a country I don't spend lots of time in or live in. The same is true for the climate in the USA. I don't see much benefit in carrying this discussion down that road.
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