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A case for warm (vintage) amplifiers

Vinyl, someone else more familiar with its dynamics may be able to help you with that BUT you can browse here :

....and see if you can find something that interests you: :)

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This classic seems to have decent dynamics on vinyl. :)

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SourceVinyl

ArtistMuddy Waters
AlbumFolk Singer [2 Vinyls]
Year2011
Album DR16
Min. track DR12
Max. track DR19
Interesting selection. I would add Bill Evans mono "Moonbeams" first track, Santana, Abbey Road, Pink Floyd "Dark side of the moon", Beethoven and Mozart string quartets for detail, Bach coral music for voices, Led Zep III for pure hard driving rock, Miles Davis "Kind of Blue", Hendrix "Electric Ladyland" panning across the sound stage. Segovia for pure accoustic guitar. Bokovac/Guthre "In stereo" for modern vintage style rock intricate instrumentation with lots of soft and louder passages. Blake Sheldon for more modern country/rock, Dion Warwick female vocals.
 
That's right. Those HK receivers from that era have gone up in price. Also noted on Skylab Audio.
Even my HK330C has gone up in price in the six years (or so) I've had it.

By the way. Who needs tube glow in the dark when you have: :);)
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Buy now what they (we) didn't have money for when they were young. Reasonable assumption.

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Here is a video about the price trend of vintage hifi. Examples of some sought-after receivers, turntables, cassette decks and speakers are discussed. Even old boomboxes, at ridiculously high prices in my opinion,:oops: are addressed:

It seems to be a bubble. I cannot believe a tuner or anything with an integrated tuner will stand the test of the nearby future. In some countries FM has been expelled from cable, basically bricking all tuners.
 
It seems to be a bubble. I cannot believe a tuner or anything with an integrated tuner will stand the test of the nearby future. In some countries FM has been expelled from cable, basically bricking all tuners.
We have a great all classical FM station here in Raleigh,NC that I listen to all the time and Cats like it as well ! We also have great country music FM stations here as well and NPR .
 
Listening to Vermont Public (Radio) over-the-air on a staunchly analog FM "transistor radio" on our porch as I type this.

Said porch, albeit sans radio. ;)
photo's from Sept. 2014 but the quality of the light tonight is very similar.
 
You would be surprised lots young people have good jobs that pay well they can afford new/used components and vinyl along with paying high ticket prices to see live concerts.
There are some, yes, but that's beside the point--statistically, factually, young people have an ant's share of the economy and few prospects in the age of ai and mass layoffs. Oh, and concerts are being cancelled right and left due to low ticket sales.
 
It seems to be a bubble. I cannot believe a tuner or anything with an integrated tuner will stand the test of the nearby future. In some countries FM has been expelled from cable, basically bricking all tuners.
I got 37 FM stations that are line of sight (within 100 miles [meaning that receive them well]) for my antenna 30 ft. above ground.
Some of them actually care about their broadcast signal and have a sound that is in between great vinyl and a great CD.
Naturally, I have some great tuners (SUMO Charlie [the Tuner]) , a modified for DXing NAD 4300, and others.
 
It seems to be a bubble. I cannot believe a tuner or anything with an integrated tuner will stand the test of the nearby future. In some countries FM has been expelled from cable, basically bricking all tuners.
Many people probably buy, as we have discussed in the thread, vintage receivers for the looks. They use the amp part. At least I do.

For my own part, I listen to FM radio in the car. Extremely rarely otherwise. It is mostly because there is so damn much advertising on our FM radio channels in Sweden AND that the range and content is SO much better with internet radio. I mean, for example this channel: Somehow Jazz.
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Better sound quality than FM analog, better music (compared to analog FM in Sweden), no advertising. Really good I must say::)
 
Yes, maybe its true but it did not sound as good (musical) compared to Lp's .
Thats because folks were used to the background noise and distortion from analog that was now removed with CD's. I will say some of the early CD's that are digitally recorded had a harsh , "clinical" sound to them. Thats no longer an issue as digital recording has progressed.
 
Yes, but measurements don't always equate to sonic enjoyment.
You sound like a Stereophile reader ( you even mentioned them). I just let my sub expire. They review cables for sonic differences LOL. That tells you all you need to know. And remember the ads pay the freight. You dont bite the hand that feeds you. Enough said
 
I got 37 FM stations that are line of sight (within 100 miles [meaning that receive them well]) for my antenna 30 ft. above ground.
Some of them actually care about their broadcast signal and have a sound that is in between great vinyl and a great CD.
Naturally, I have some great tuners (SUMO Charlie [the Tuner]) , a modified for DXing NAD 4300, and others.
You are lucky. I'm an hour north of NYC kind of in the mountains. Cant really get any good FM signals. I took my old NAD tuner to the dump LOL
 
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You sound like a Stereophile reader ( you even mentioned them). I just let my sub expire. They review cables for sonic differences LOL. That tells you all you need to know. And remember the ads pay the freight. You dont bite the hand that feeds you. Enough said
Then we have the question of the grey area (does it exist? if so, what is it?.. and so on). Plus where the research is today regarding audibility, in our case here at ASR in relation to hifi. It is addressed in this thread:

 
Then we have the question of the grey area (does it exist? if so, what is it?.. and so on). Plus where the research is today regarding audibility, in our case here at ASR in relation to hifi. It is addressed in this thread:

Until someone shows valid repeatable double blind tests where sonic differences can be identified its all in folks minds and in the audio manufacturers pockets
 
Until someone shows valid repeatable double blind tests where sonic differences can be identified its all in folks minds and in the audio manufacturers pockets
It is addressed in that thread:
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Incidentally, I agree with you about the importance of performing such blind tests.

That thread revolves around the subject of distortion, among other things. Something that
Floyd Toole did not address much in his studies. Maybe it is time for more research on the subject?
My hypothesis why this is not the case is because in descending order of importance for good sound we have:
1. Frequency response, on and off axes.
2. Dispersion
(in other words, in practice the speakers)
last
3. Distortion and noise (as long as it is not really annoyingly loud, like grandma complains that it sounds bad level)

Room acoustics should of course be included somewhere too.

Since distortion and noise come last, no major resources are spent on studying this. Please note that these are my completely home-made ideas, hypotheses. I have nothing to back it up with.

By the way, the thread I referred to is now locked but a spin off of it follows in this thread:
 
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You sound like a Stereophile reader ( you even mentioned them). I just let my sub expire. They review cables for sonic differences LOL. That tells you all you need to know. And remember the ads pay the freight. You dont bite the hand that feeds you. Enough said

You sound like a Stereophile reader ( you even mentioned them). I just let my sub expire. They review cables for sonic differences LOL. That tells you all you need to know. And remember the ads pay the freight. You dont bite the hand that feeds you. Enough said
So you really think that Stereophile and Absolute Sound along with other HI-Fi mag. reviewers only give positive reviews because the product that is paying for ads wants the reviewer to give positive results even though the reviewer might think differently? So we shouldn't trust any reviewer from an audiophile mag. ? who should we trust to learn more about a component that we might want to own? Maybe we should have only scientist measuring components on the most advanced equipment with no need to listen to it? Can the 'average user even understand what all the measurements even mean without an engineering degree or tech background ?
 
o we shouldn't trust any reviewer from an audiophile mag. ?
You can trust them when they say the unit has four inputs and weighs 10 kilos. Their subjective impressions? No.

There's a handful who might give you something useful about the sonics of a loudspeaker, IMO, but even that's disputed by many here.
 
You can trust them when they say the unit has four inputs and weighs 10 kilos. Their subjective impressions? No.

There's a handful who might give you something useful about the sonics of a loudspeaker, IMO, but even that's disputed by many here.
Ok, so who can we trust? We can''t trust reviewers, we can't trust hi-end audio stores, we can't trust YT reviewers. We can't trust Fremer on anything so how do we know if something is worth it to buy or not buy? How do you determine if an audio piece is something that you would purchase regardless of price ?
 
You are lucky. I'm an hour north of NYC kind of in the mountains. Cant really get any good FM signals. I took my old NAD tuner to the dump LOL
Several NAD tuners were in the top 50 & easily modified to be in the top 10 best. If it was one of them, that would go on fleabay for up tp $500.
I lived on the backside of a mountain and had no reception (in front of me was ocean.
No way in hell I would have gotten rid of one of my tuners. Since then (17 years [the end of 2001-2018]), I don't live there anymore and enjoy great FM.
I love all the local happenings that I find out about and go to. Short, under 100 mile day trips on a every other week basis, festivals and events that used to be in the local papers that are no longer printed. I despise reading news on a computer, tablet, phone, whatever.
I turning the volume up and freely moving about the house, doing things while absorbing vast amounts of music, anecdotes and information without being stuck in one spot or stuck with my head looking at a screen.
Now, I'm not doing critical listening (I could never, ever hold still long enough to do that, anyway) when I listen to FM.
That is what my albums and CD's are for.
And we do not listen to anything except the car (yep, I enjoy the noises mine makes, it relaxes me) each other in the car.
If I am by myself, I may or may not listen to FM, CD or DVD.
It's 50/50 with listening to the car or listening to something else.
 
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How do you determine if an audio piece is something that you would purchase regardless of price ?
How do you make any decision in a consumer capitalist society? You evaluate the evidence and make your best judgement.
 
how do we know if something is worth it to buy or not buy?
Me personally?

For electronics - aesthetics, ergonomics, features. In that order. Check the measurements to make sure it isn't a disaster.

Speakers - measurements, design philosophy. I don't care about the aesthetics of the speakers, by and large.
 
Ok, so who can we trust? We can''t trust reviewers, we can't trust hi-end audio stores, we can't trust YT reviewers. We can't trust Fremer on anything so how do we know if something is worth it to buy or not buy? How do you determine if an audio piece is something that you would purchase regardless of price ?
If we take What HiFi , known for uttering a lot of gibberish, talking through one's hat. So those who review these cables imagine hearing one thing and the other. Can you trust them, or in this case Kashfia Kabir (who reviews the cables in the screenshots below),
when she reviews, tests something else?
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Kashfia Kabir
Hi-Fi and Audio Editor
Kashfia is the Hi-Fi and Audio Editor of What Hi-Fi? and first joined the brand 14 years ago. During her time in the consumer tech industry, she has reviewed hundreds of products (including speakers, amplifiers, turntables and headphones), been to countless trade shows across the world and fallen in love with hi-fi kit much bigger than her. In her spare time, Kash can be found tending to an ever-growing houseplant collection and shooing her cat away from spinning records.

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I'm not bashing UK Hifi media exclusively, Swedish commercial Hifi media is similar but we use English at ASR so hence the input from What Hifi.:)
 
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