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Thanks for putting together a cogent answer to the specific questions raised.

However it is in your above answer to the reverberation time question, repeated below, that I think the issues get a bit difficult: –


Firstly, at long wavelengths the behaviour of the room and the speakers is not comprised of direct sound plus room modes. Even if you remove the room modes, the listener experience is still the sum of speakers plus room, it is not just direct sound from the speakers. The sound waves are still hitting the listener from all directions.

Secondly, the principal means of removing the room modes is to equalise at the listening area. The most effective way to achieve this is to use multiple mono subwoofers placed in optimised locations with optimised amplitude and delays. Nobody is going to achieve sub-bass damping of the room modes in a domestic living space by literally adding damping to the walls of the room. All of these examples being provided and reports of hearing the benefits of decorrelated bass, are occurring using stereo speakers without equalisation, so the room modes are in full play during these demonstrations. Your suggestion of damping the room modes is in reality best done by reverting to multiple mono subwoofers, and your suggestion that this step will enhance ability to perceive the decorrelated bass of two separate bass channels is a conundrum and somewhat ironic.

So, when we add the following factors together ....

- the observations of audible enhancements from casual home experiments are from sighted listening reports;
- the SPL at the listener's ear in these home tests is probably different, and would need to be matched to control for the risk of that variable being the reason for an observed difference instead of AE;
- the frequency response at the listener's ear in these home tests is probably different, and would need to be matched to control for the risk of that variable being the reason for an observed difference instead of AE;
- with the mono sub-bass implementation, there is plenty of decorrelated bass being delivered into the room (if not so certainly to the listener's ear) above 80 Hz, and indeed to some extent below 80 to perhaps 60 Hz, and all the AE effect that it can deliver, but it is coming from the main speakers;
- a multiple subwoofer mono sub-bass solution with MSO delivers much smoother bass frequencies than decorrelated so-called 'stereo' bass and this smoothness has been proven in multiple independent controlled trials to be of high significance for the listener's pleasure evaluation, in stark contrast to the absence of controlled trials in domestic playback conditions demonstrating not just detection, but also preference and high significance, of the presence of AE specifically below 80, or maybe 70 or even 60, Hz;

.... the most rational conclusion from the current discussion seems to be that the certain losses from not having summed and equalised sub-bass are much more significant than the uncertain gains of having decorrelated sub-bass below 70-ish Hz, in domestic replay systems.

cheers
Now wait, because if we're talking no compromise, absolute freedom of placement for the subs to get the absolute better results means that they can very well be in the center of the room or any other odd position.

If one has such freedom (I do for once but I suspect that I won't like what I'm seeing cause it's important to me) can very well has also the freedom to passively treat the room (with pros of course) so to get the best result, despite any gear.

It's not either one or the other, it's just what compromises one chooses, as in everything about audio.
 
It's not either one or the other, it's just what compromises one chooses, as in everything about audio.
Absolutely correct.
But did you somehow overlook the last sentence of @Newman's post? Because he addresses exactly your point.
.... the most rational conclusion from the current discussion seems to be that the certain losses from not having summed and equalised sub-bass are much more significant than the uncertain gains of having decorrelated sub-bass below 70-ish Hz, in domestic replay systems.

About "having it all":
To get the same smoothness in bass in a stereo situation as is possible with a certain effort (multiple subs+EQ) in mono, one probably has to use the double number of subs in a somehow mirrored arrangement, if that is even possible. Passive control of sub bass room modes will involve enormous architectural effort or damping panels in the meters of thickness (or both), and you risk ending up with an anechoic chamber.
 
Thanks for putting together a cogent answer to the specific questions raised.

However it is in your above answer to the reverberation time question, repeated below, that I think the issues get a bit difficult: –


Firstly, at long wavelengths the behaviour of the room and the speakers is not comprised of direct sound plus room modes. Even if you remove the room modes, the listener experience is still the sum of speakers plus room, it is not just direct sound from the speakers. The sound waves are still hitting the listener from all directions.

Secondly, the principal means of removing the room modes is to equalise at the listening area. The most effective way to achieve this is to use multiple mono subwoofers placed in optimised locations with optimised amplitude and delays. Nobody is going to achieve sub-bass damping of the room modes in a domestic living space by literally adding damping to the walls of the room. All of these examples being provided and reports of hearing the benefits of decorrelated bass, are occurring using stereo speakers without equalisation, so the room modes are in full play during these demonstrations. Your suggestion of damping the room modes is in reality best done by reverting to multiple mono subwoofers, and your suggestion that this step will enhance ability to perceive the decorrelated bass of two separate bass channels is a conundrum and somewhat ironic.

So, when we add the following factors together ....

- the observations of audible enhancements from casual home experiments are from sighted listening reports;
- the SPL at the listener's ear in these home tests is probably different, and would need to be matched to control for the risk of that variable being the reason for an observed difference instead of AE;
- the frequency response at the listener's ear in these home tests is probably different, and would need to be matched to control for the risk of that variable being the reason for an observed difference instead of AE;
- with the mono sub-bass implementation, there is plenty of decorrelated bass being delivered into the room (if not so certainly to the listener's ear) above 80 Hz, and indeed to some extent below 80 to perhaps 60 Hz, and all the AE effect that it can deliver, but it is coming from the main speakers;
- a multiple subwoofer mono sub-bass solution with MSO delivers much smoother bass frequencies than decorrelated so-called 'stereo' bass and this smoothness has been proven in multiple independent controlled trials to be of high significance for the listener's pleasure evaluation, in stark contrast to the absence of controlled trials in domestic playback conditions demonstrating not just detection, but also preference and high significance, of the presence of AE specifically below 80, or maybe 70 or even 60, Hz;

.... the most rational conclusion from the current discussion seems to be that the certain losses from not having summed and equalised sub-bass are much more significant than the uncertain gains of having decorrelated sub-bass below 70-ish Hz, in domestic replay systems.

cheers

Yes, most/all of us understand that multiple subwoofers positioned strategically in a room can help to even out the bass response for multiple seating positions. Still, the very limitation of stereo is that it can only be truly optimized (all parameters included) for a single seating position, which is the sweet spot. So please, let us keep the discussion to that, and take it as granted that we all are discussing this matter from the standpoint of an optimal stereo listening sweet spot, where everything else in stereo can be fully optimized, without all possible compromises that come with multiple listening positions.

With the above said, nothing is stopping us from EQing a flat frequency response for subwoofers set up for stereo as effectively as it is doing it using multiple subwoofers in mono. So, if we are going to seriously discuss stereo subwoofers vs mono subwoofers when it comes to stereo effects like envelopment, we should at least be talking about it from the viewpoint of a fully optimized stereo setup and listening position, which is most likely the position we all choose to sit in anyway when critically listening and optimizing out stereo systems.

My rational conclusion is that we should keep the discussion to what is heard in the most optimal seating position. What people then choose to do to make the bass sound more even outside the main listening position is outside the realm of fully optimizing the full-range stereo reproduction.
 
I'll give an example why this is not so simple in the general case. When you have to sit off-center as shown below, for the room mode (1, 1 mode) shown, the left speaker couples to the listening position (LP) in reversed polarity, and the right speaker couples in direct polarity. The summed response for mono down-mixed bass (when both left and right speakers are reproducing the same signal) will be less than the magnitude sum of the left speaker response and the right speaker response when phase is ignored. So, for hard panned left, hard panned right, and mono down-mixed signals, responses at LP will all be different.

room_mode_rect.jpg


If there is a workable solution to have both, let alone one that seems obvious to random internet forum participants, ask yourself if it will escape the combined brain powers, knowledge, and experience of Drs. Toole and Griesinger, just to name two of the many brilliant scientists that have worked on this problem. There is a good reason why there is a debate on the question of should we compromise magnitude response for stereo bass or should we not.
 
Probably a mix again,as with every thread about it.
When talking stereo it goes without saying we speak about a single listening position.

In my mind it's always "many seats=MCH, one seat=MCH or stereo "
I'm probably wrong but that's my angle when talking about it.

Absolutely correct.
But did you somehow overlook the last sentence of @Newman's post? Because he addresses exactly your point.


About "having it all":
To get the same smoothness in bass in a stereo situation as is possible with a certain effort (multiple subs+EQ) in mono, one probably has to use the double number of subs in a somehow mirrored arrangement, if that is even possible. Passive control of sub bass room modes will involve enormous architectural effort or damping panels in the meters of thickness (or both), and you risk ending up with an anechoic chamber.
Passive treatment does not have to be enormous for music and one seat.
A good mix of targeted passive and EQ can do miracles if you find people formally educated about it to do the job (the passive one and some guidance for EQ) .

This way one can end up with low latency too.
 
@Floyd Toole I hope the direct question below is appropriate, but I was fascinated to learn in another thread that you had stopped participating as an listener in loudspeaker DBT tests some time after turning 60, feeling that your hearing acuity was no longer sufficient and that it's "a young/normal person's hearing game."

One common criticism of gear reviewers, professional and otherwise, that I often see is that since many are older, their senior citizen hearing and the loss of the ability to perceive high frequencies is a problem for their credibility, or even a disqualifying handicap. Your self-exile from participation as an expert listener challenged my own feeling that such criticisms tend to be quite aggressively ageist, in a "show me your audiogram papers, please" kind of way.

Setting aside issues of subjective fallacies and golden-ears hubris, what are your thoughts on the question of how we should fairly judge the qualifications and credibility of older listeners, commentators, and reviewers (or people with compromised hearing in general) in this game of hi-fi evaluation and credibility using both measurements and listening skills?
 
Yes, most/all of us understand that multiple subwoofers positioned strategically in a room can help to even out the bass response for multiple seating positions. Still, the very limitation of stereo is that it can only be truly optimized (all parameters included) for a single seating position, which is the sweet spot. So please, let us keep the discussion to that, and take it as granted that we all are discussing this matter from the standpoint of an optimal stereo listening sweet spot, where everything else in stereo can be fully optimized, without all possible compromises that come with multiple listening positions.

With the above said, nothing is stopping us from EQing a flat frequency response for subwoofers set up for stereo as effectively as it is doing it using multiple subwoofers in mono. So, if we are going to seriously discuss stereo subwoofers vs mono subwoofers when it comes to stereo effects like envelopment, we should at least be talking about it from the viewpoint of a fully optimized stereo setup and listening position, which is most likely the position we all choose to sit in anyway when critically listening and optimizing out stereo systems.

My rational conclusion is that we should keep the discussion to what is heard in the most optimal seating position. What people then choose to do to make the bass sound more even outside the main listening position is outside the realm of fully optimizing the full-range stereo reproduction.
My concern is the "as intended"

Here's a real nice recording of the soundtrack of one of my dearest films ever:

Shigeru Umebayashi's Main Theme from 2046.

20Hz to 200Hz for easy view:

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Original spectra


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Delta of spectra


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Delta of Phase

These differences does not look like artifacts to me. And turning to mono is a disaster at my rig.
 
Firstly, at long wavelengths the behaviour of the room and the speakers is not comprised of direct sound plus room modes. Even if you remove the room modes, the listener experience is still the sum of speakers plus room, it is not just direct sound from the speakers.
How do you completely remove the room modes without 100% absorption? A (theoretical) room with 100% absorptive boundaries is identical to free space. Double bass arrays, for example, seek to achieve this ideal by cancelling all of the radiated energy after it has traversed the length or width of the room once, leaving only the direct sound.

Nobody is going to achieve sub-bass damping of the room modes in a domestic living space by literally adding damping to the walls of the room.
True; significant damping in the subwoofer range basically has to be built into the structure itself (or done actively, I suppose; I haven't looked into that much). Lumber and drywall construction (common in some parts of the world) is lossy at LF, which helps a bit compared to plaster and lath and other more rigid wall construction. Do note that it isn't at all necessary to completely eliminate the room modes, but some damping helps in making low frequency envelopment work over a wider range of frequencies. See this paper for some of David Griesinger's thoughts on the problem of room modes with respect to LF envelopment in small rooms.

All of these examples being provided and reports of hearing the benefits of decorrelated bass, are occurring using stereo speakers without equalisation, so the room modes are in full play during these demonstrations.
I can't speak for others, but my subwoofers are independently equalized and also sum nicely when driven in mono. Measured spatially-averaged responses 10-80Hz, driven by a correlated (mono) signal (purple) and an uncorrelated signal (blue; +3dB):
system_corr_vs_uncorr_10Hz-80Hz.png


Passive control of sub bass room modes will involve enormous architectural effort or damping panels in the meters of thickness (or both), and you risk ending up with an anechoic chamber.
Something that I think is often missed and is of relevance here is that in terms of the average magnitude, you still get some or even most of the response-smoothing benefit (see above measurement) unless there are only fully hard-panned sources (e.g. bass guitar in only one channel without any stereo reverb).
Limp mass or tuned absorbers can be used to damp bass frequencies without absorbing too much higher frequency energy.
 
The beginning played back with mains monitors at good level can be scary if you don't expect it :)

Yes, I noticed that. And the master is also fairly hot for this album, at least the one found on Tidal, so it's a good chance/risk that it will hit you hard if you're not prepared for it. :)
 
I'll give an example why this is not so simple in the general case. When you have to sit off-center as shown below, for the room mode (1, 1 mode) shown, the left speaker couples to the listening position (LP) in reversed polarity, and the right speaker couples in direct polarity. The summed response for mono down-mixed bass (when both left and right speakers are reproducing the same signal) will be less than the magnitude sum of the left speaker response and the right speaker response when phase is ignored. So, for hard panned left, hard panned right, and mono down-mixed signals, responses at LP will all be different.

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If there is a workable solution to have both, let alone one that seems obvious to random internet forum participants, ask yourself if it will escape the combined brain powers, knowledge, and experience of Drs. Toole and Griesinger, just to name two of the many brilliant scientists that have worked on this problem. There is a good reason why there is a debate on the question of should we compromise magnitude response for stereo bass or should we not.
Great example! I guess we would have the same problem even with the (1, 0)-mode?
 
The beginning played back with mains monitors at good level can be scary if you don't expect it :)
Played that through 15" pa-coax speakers, can confirm. :D
That has a lot of resemblance to the size/scale of the rumble of a distant thunder.

Lumber and drywall construction (common in some parts of the world) is lossy at LF, which helps a bit compared to plaster and lath and other more rigid wall construction.
This is exactly why my room has decent bass, the wooden house is 66 years old diffusion-open construction ie. leaky and lossy from sound pov.

@Newman
I can't be the first one to wonder how bass arrays etc. multi sub setups would behave with some kind of selective/gated mid/side processing applied to them? Kind of like a multi-band dynamic eq but treshold based on de-correlation of L/R channels that controls the amount of mid-side processing - Dynamic stereo bass, best or worst from both worlds? :D
 
Played that through 15" pa-coax speakers, can confirm. :D
That has a lot of resemblance to the size/scale of the rumble of a distant thunder.



:D
...or the underlying tension in the film, Shigeru is a genius :)
 
@Newman
I can't be the first one to wonder how bass arrays etc. multi sub setups would behave with some kind of selective/gated mid/side processing applied to them? Kind of like a multi-band dynamic eq but treshold based on de-correlation of L/R channels that controls the amount of mid-side processing - Dynamic stereo bass, best or worst from both worlds? :D
There's a Swiss outfit that offers active bass traps using acoustic feedback (cheap in DIY, works, already tried successfully). In regard to "AE" I won't bite the bait again.
 
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There's a Swiss outfit that offers active bass traps using acoustic feedback (cheap in DIY, works, already tried successfully). In regard to "AE" I won't bite the bait again.
If you're talking about a diy version of PSI Avaa, please do provide a link if you have any kind of project diary, documentation etc., sincerely interested. Preferably PM to avoid cluttering the thread even more.

I have no idea what do you mean by that "bait". There are certain prerequisitions for the effect/phenomena to be reproduced, based on room modes, how their pressure and velocity gradients overlap, placement of speakers and listening position in relation to those room modes, so the speakers excite the modal "components" with sum and/or difference in the signal.

You mentioned that you're not an amateur regarding this specific topic, so I'm not going to do any kind of room mode analysis or spoon feed you information.
I have a hunch that we are likeminded in a way that you (=both of us) can't see the forest from the trees until you know every tree individually and their function in the forest ecosystem.
 
You mentioned that you're not an amateur regarding this specific topic, ... forest ecosystem.
Now you bring not only one tree, but a complete ecosystem to the table. Just kidding, I'm not an amateur in handling my equipment. And I might as well design a set of measurements to prove a case. Not more.

Regarding room mode cancellation, that might be of further interest, not only for "AE". Once there was the idea, and successful implementations, to have 8 bass modules. Four equaly distributed, width and height, over the frontwall, the other likewise over the backwall. The latter get an inverted signal which is delayed by the time-of-flight from front to back. The dream was to cancel the incoming wave by that.

Worked, but as far as I know not too reliably; it was finicky? With independend bass modules on the backwall, that are fed with feedback to cancel, unpredicted, sound in front of the woofers, one would have the same effect, but as said independend from prediction on when the incoming wave arrives.

So far so good. How to make those marvels? The firm you mentioned would be happy to releive you from like 10000 (10k) bucks. Only in case you could otherwise position a mike upfront the woofers' cones, invert their output and feed it into an amp that itself feeds the woofers. When I did that at the advent of the internet (uups), it wasn't that hard to do. But times may have changed.

Does it apply to your "AE"? In case, my pleasure!

ps specifically: the demand on the mike's capabilities is low, it lives in silence that itself contributes to, I don't remember probs with phase shift when using a proper 1st order lowpass in the signal line
 
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@Floyd Toole I hope the direct question below is appropriate, but I was fascinated to learn in another thread that you had stopped participating as an listener in loudspeaker DBT tests some time after turning 60, feeling that your hearing acuity was no longer sufficient and that it's "a young/normal person's hearing game."

One common criticism of gear reviewers, professional and otherwise, that I often see is that since many are older, their senior citizen hearing and the loss of the ability to perceive high frequencies is a problem for their credibility, or even a disqualifying handicap. Your self-exile from participation as an expert listener challenged my own feeling that such criticisms tend to be quite aggressively ageist, in a "show me your audiogram papers, please" kind of way.

Setting aside issues of subjective fallacies and golden-ears hubris, what are your thoughts on the question of how we should fairly judge the qualifications and credibility of older listeners, commentators, and reviewers (or people with compromised hearing in general) in this game of hi-fi evaluation and credibility using both measurements and listening skills?
I comment on this in the 4th edition - it is an important topic, especially in this internet age, when everyone can be a critic.

My decision to stop participating in the double-blind listening tests was based on my feeling that it was becoming more difficult - perhaps aided by the fact that loudspeakers being evaluated were getting better and more similar sounding. But also, because the computer generated statistics on my subjective ratings indicated that I was becoming less reliable - the ratings showed increased variability. None of this was surprising, as we had learned many years earlier that this is the result of hearing loss, and my hearing was not getting any better. It is important to know that the listening tests I was participating in were multiple-loudspeaker (3 or 4 at a time) monophonic comparison tests, the purpose of which was to identify resonant colorations and other timbral defects. The almost universal result of such tests is a preference for timbrally neutral, i.e. flat frequency response (on-axis) loudspeakers. As discussed a few times in these forums, the recordings are simply test signals to stimulate and reveal problems. With increasing hearing loss it becomes more difficult to recognize these problems, even when this is the only task at hand.

Reviewing loudspeakers is a very different task. They are usually "sighted", which casts doubt on the entire process. They are almost always done in stereo, which adds to the difficulty in hearing timbral problems in loudspeakers. Of course, one listens to a wide variety of music, not all of which is good at revealing the problems. Being entertained/impressed/stimulated, etc. become factors adding color to the commentary. All the upstream studio manipulations in the recordings are difficult to separate from the characteristics of the loudspeakers. Small room resonances add complications that are almost never measured or corrected for and they add substantial uncertainty to what is heard - bass alone accounts for about 30% of overall sound quality perceptions. Such reviews are arguably as much record reviews as they are loudspeaker reviews. Only if the reviewer has access to, understands and respects, comprehensive anechoic data on the loudspeaker is it possible to intelligently comment on what is causing the final perceptions. Decades of Stereophile reviews are evidence of the "two cultures" in audio, when some subjective reviewers find merit in loudspeakers that John Atkinson's measurements show are seriously flawed. All this is true for listeners with or without hearing loss. Hearing loss simply adds to the uncertainties of what the reported perceptions actually mean.

If all this is true for loudspeakers that are measurably different, how does one think it applies to electronics and wires which are measurably identical or only subtly different? There is a great deal of fiction in reviews. Fiction can be entertaining, but not informative.

Simple loss of high frequencies is an obvious problem in criticizing sound quality - if it cannot be heard it cannot be commented on. But there is much more. Lost broadband hearing loss, a common defect, means that subtleties at all frequencies are not heard. Then there are the changes in critical bandwidths that occur with age and hearing loss, meaning that how the music itself is perceived changes. Binaural hearing also degrades, meaning that how a listener combines direct and reflected sounds in the room - the soundstage and imaging - also change. Anyone - myself included now - who experiences greater difficulty conversing in restaurants or pubs has already become perceptually handicapped.

None of this means that one no longer derives pleasure from music and movies. It just means that our opinions are our own, not for generalization and debate. I reported my hearing performance in my books up to age 60, and I was performing better than the statistical average. I recently had another evaluation, at age 87, and was told that my hearing was "normal" . Absolute rubbish! But as I keep repeating, audiologists are only concerned about speech intelligibility not the sound quality of the speech, much less hi-fi hearing. A hearing threshold test is equivalent to kicking the tires of a car and assessing its handling performance.
 
I comment on this in the 4th edition - it is an important topic, especially in this internet age, when everyone can be a critic.

My decision to stop participating in the double-blind listening tests was based on my feeling that it was becoming more difficult - perhaps aided by the fact that loudspeakers being evaluated were getting better and more similar sounding. But also, because the computer generated statistics on my subjective ratings indicated that I was becoming less reliable - the ratings showed increased variability. None of this was surprising, as we had learned many years earlier that this is the result of hearing loss, and my hearing was not getting any better. It is important to know that the listening tests I was participating in were multiple-loudspeaker (3 or 4 at a time) monophonic comparison tests, the purpose of which was to identify resonant colorations and other timbral defects. The almost universal result of such tests is a preference for timbrally neutral, i.e. flat frequency response (on-axis) loudspeakers. As discussed a few times in these forums, the recordings are simply test signals to stimulate and reveal problems. With increasing hearing loss it becomes more difficult to recognize these problems, even when this is the only task at hand.

Reviewing loudspeakers is a very different task. They are usually "sighted", which casts doubt on the entire process. They are almost always done in stereo, which adds to the difficulty in hearing timbral problems in loudspeakers. Of course, one listens to a wide variety of music, not all of which is good at revealing the problems. Being entertained/impressed/stimulated, etc. become factors adding color to the commentary. All the upstream studio manipulations in the recordings are difficult to separate from the characteristics of the loudspeakers. Small room resonances add complications that are almost never measured or corrected for and they add substantial uncertainty to what is heard - bass alone accounts for about 30% of overall sound quality perceptions. Such reviews are arguably as much record reviews as they are loudspeaker reviews. Only if the reviewer has access to, understands and respects, comprehensive anechoic data on the loudspeaker is it possible to intelligently comment on what is causing the final perceptions. Decades of Stereophile reviews are evidence of the "two cultures" in audio, when some subjective reviewers find merit in loudspeakers that John Atkinson's measurements show are seriously flawed. All this is true for listeners with or without hearing loss. Hearing loss simply adds to the uncertainties of what the reported perceptions actually mean.

If all this is true for loudspeakers that are measurably different, how does one think it applies to electronics and wires which are measurably identical or only subtly different? There is a great deal of fiction in reviews. Fiction can be entertaining, but not informative.

Simple loss of high frequencies is an obvious problem in criticizing sound quality - if it cannot be heard it cannot be commented on. But there is much more. Lost broadband hearing loss, a common defect, means that subtleties at all frequencies are not heard. Then there are the changes in critical bandwidths that occur with age and hearing loss, meaning that how the music itself is perceived changes. Binaural hearing also degrades, meaning that how a listener combines direct and reflected sounds in the room - the soundstage and imaging - also change. Anyone - myself included now - who experiences greater difficulty conversing in restaurants or pubs has already become perceptually handicapped.

None of this means that one no longer derives pleasure from music and movies. It just means that our opinions are our own, not for generalization and debate. I reported my hearing performance in my books up to age 60, and I was performing better than the statistical average. I recently had another evaluation, at age 87, and was told that my hearing was "normal" . Absolute rubbish! But as I keep repeating, audiologists are only concerned about speech intelligibility not the sound quality of the speech, much less hi-fi hearing. A hearing threshold test is equivalent to kicking the tires of a car and assessing its handling performance.
Many thanks for this illuminating reply.
 
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