7Hz x Crinacle Zero:2 IEM Review

[AudioSceptic]

I was under the impression it’s USB-C and not lighting?

The one that Amir measured is USB-C so he could compare it with other USB-C ones. The Apple Lightning one measures just as well <https://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/lightning-adapter-audio-quality.htm>

 

[cyril_meysson]

Any reason not to get the Apple one?

It doesn't support sample rates higher than 48kHz*. Apart from the limited output, that's the only minor drawback I can see - it's more than enough if you use it exclusively with IEMs.
Personally, I even prefer the European version to avoid accidentally blowing my ears off at high volume.

(*not a big deal as nobody can hear above 22kHz, high sample rates make no sense from a distribution point of view)

 

[AudioSceptic]

It doesn't support sample rates higher than 48kHz*. Apart from the limited output, that's the only minor drawback I can see - it's more than enough if you use it exclusively with IEMs.
Personally, I even prefer the European version to avoid accidentally blowing my ears off at high volume.

(*not a big deal as nobody can hear above 22kHz, high sample rates make no sense from a distribution point of view)

I've got the Euro ones (both Lightning and USB-C) as I'm in the UK. To give others an idea of the volume available, it's fine with Beyer DT880 32 Ohm, but not quite enough with Massdrop Sennheiser HD6xx.

 

[otseiTiesto]

Just as a curiosity, THD % (lineal scale, @ 94dBSPL):

Sources:

• Moondrop May from Moondrop graph.
• Moondrop CHU II from www.hypethesonics.com
• 7Hz Salnotes Zero from www.hypethesonics.com
• 7Hz Salnotes Zero II from Amir's measurements.
• Truthear Zero Red from Amir's measurements.

 

[Hifihedgehog]

I'll take $25 over $4000, thanks.

 

[TurtlePaul]

I was under the impression it’s USB-C and not lighting?

It is available in both formats. Of course they make a lightning dongle. But we should get back on topic.

 

[MacClintock]

If you're talking about this :
View attachment 335352

Then that's most likely a measurement artefact. Whether you call it "rocking modes" or "step function" you can occasionally see such an artefact when measuring IEMs either in a coupler's metal canal extension or in pinnae (711 or 5128). You'll see it move a little bit up and down with different reseats / insertion depths, or even go away completely in certain positions.

You can minimise that issue by coupling the IEM with the ear simulator with putty, a bit like this :
View attachment 335354
It's more annoying to do in a pinna but still doable.

When you do so the step function disappears. Here's an example with the Moondrop Chu, which tips are particularly susceptible to that issue :
View attachment 335353

In actual humans, so far I haven't seen a single measurement where that rocking mode / step function appears. Other than for one individual, Harman kept the in situ measurements they performed a few years ago, using a modified Momentum iei, to themselves, but here's a more recent comment from Sean Olive on the subject :
View attachment 335355

https://x.com/seanolive/status/1723092788194279805?s=20

CSGlinux has organised a tour of a modified IEM with which participants can also perform in situ measurements, so far same story : not happening in the test subjects.
The database for this project is here :

What is the best ear simulator or coupler?

Coupler research project database

www.hypethesonics.com

(just be very careful about interpreting the measurements past 1-1,5kHz, and actually down to 500-600Hz if you're bothered by tolerances of +/- 1dB or so).

For what it's worth I also haven't seen that phenomenon occur when measuring IEMs in situ on my own as well.

It could still be that in a specific situation someone will experience such a phenomenon, but for now I prefer to put it in the category "not happening until I see otherwise".

Note that in a pinna the shape of these rocking modes can be a bit different than a simple "step" for some IEMs, but here for Amir's measurements, just visualise a line cutting through the kink (a bit like the Chu above) and you'll get closer to what is most likely happening in your ears if you get a good seal. Basically don't get too worked up with these kinks (same applies for 5128 measurements, that fixture seems particularly annoying to deal with in that regard).

Thanks for elucidating the matter. I am inclined to follow your evidence and arguments. But even if there is no "real" kink, Amir still EQed the region down to even better the sound. And my point was that no EQ is needed for other IEMs like the Truthear Nova. So, no doubt, the Salnotes Zero is remarkable and excellent for the money, but there are still better IEMs around.

 

[nerdemoji]

Thanks for elucidating the matter. I am inclined to follow your evidence and arguments. But even if there is no "real" kink, Amir still EQed the region down to even better the sound. And my point was that no EQ is needed for other IEMs like the Truthear Nova. So, no doubt, the Salnotes Zero is remarkable and excellent for the money, but there are still better IEMs around.

I'm going to have to disagree with your general point here. You seem to arguing that Truthear Nova is better, but I would consider that information irrelevant to the discussion, as this is a budget IEM. In fact, the Truthear Nova w/ foam tips is the most Harman 2019v2 compliant IEM in existence. It is more or less incomparable to others and is absolutely an outlier. I think the Salnotes Zero:2 offers some of the best value on the IEM market and which IEMs it beats or not is more up to PERSONAL preference than anything else.

 

[Laserjock]

It is available in both formats. Of course they make a lightning dongle. But we should get back on topic

These are about 32% more sensitive than the Truthear Crinacle zero (original) that I have so driving them with a phone dongle with ease it seams like a reasonable topical discussion.?

Thinking I’ll like them and about half the cost also.
I had to go with silver since the other colors seemed backordered or after Christmas delivery anyway.

 

[raif71]

Talking about earwax, I wonder should the various GRAS rigs be equipped with some earwax and only then measurements are made...hmmm ?

 

[renaudrenaud]

View attachment 335589

I'll take $25 over $4000, thanks.

You are soooo right with this perspective, thanks

 

[mcdn]

Avoid sony products like plague

View attachment 335176

What the actual fuck?

 

[RangerAudio]

Amir mentions the v2 is superior with eq and v1 if you don’t.

I don’t eq and ordered the v2 as I tend to listen at lower volume and think a slight bass boost might be better for my situation

I think so. I use it at work with an apple dongle. It's really strong. Very enjoyable. Good for music, nice mids for podcasts as well. Solid product, just fits how I want to listen.

 

[Robbo99999]

View attachment 335589

I'll take $25 over $4000, thanks.

That's true, but it's not the same experience, one of them you have to stuff it in your ears, and it's possible that soundstage perceptions might be different, perhaps in favour of the Dan Clark, but yeah it's a startling comparison when it comes to the measurements/price!

 

[Robbo99999]

Talking about earwax, I wonder should the various GRAS rigs be equipped with some earwax and only then measurements are made...hmmm ?

They're welcome to have some of mine, I've got more than enough!

 

[Robbo99999]

And an inexpensive, competent pair of speakers will blow both the headphone and IEM completely out of the water IME.

But it's all about compromise ....

It's a different experience for sure, but I wouldn't use the term "blow out of the water", but then I am a headphone enthusiast as well as liking good speakers, so I don't really find the headphone experience limiting at all. In fact it's easy to say that good headphone sound (with EQ) can easily "blow out of the water" most speaker systems when referring to some aspects of music - bass detail and perhaps clean sound especially at higher volumes.

 

[Hifihedgehog]

That's true, but it's not the same experience, one of them you have to stuff it in your ears, and it's possible that soundstage perceptions might be different, perhaps in favour of the Dan Clark, but yeah it's a startling comparison when it comes to the measurements/price!

Agreed! Soundstage and bass perception is going to be notably different. A pair of headphones will emit bass frequencies that will be felt by not only the eardrums but the ear and even covered portions of the sides of the head. Likewise, there will be interactions with the pinna of the ear that create a different (and in fact larger) sense of space and scale than an IEM would project. Seeing low cost IEM’s frequency and distortion though already on the performance level of the Dan Clark TOTL stuff is refreshing for us consumers. I wonder how long until the headphone market comes around and begins the price trickle down of the Dan Clark headphones technology?

 

[SlothRock]

Just got my Zero 2's in and they're very, very awesome. The only thing that makes me sad is that they sound just as good, if not actually better than my Sennheiser IE600's that were like 24x the price of these. Jesus christ the value is through the roof and my sadness about what I spent on the IE600's is also through the roof

 

[Chromatischism]

Amir mentions the v2 is superior with eq and v1 if you don’t.

I don’t eq and ordered the v2 as I tend to listen at lower volume and think a slight bass boost might be better for my situation

Based on the measurements above, the V2 very likely sounds better for people who don't like brighter speakers (myself included). Don't mistake the Harman IE 2019 for neutrality

These will sound deeper and more listenable.

 

[enricoclaudio]

Just got these Zero:2 and let me tell you this, if I was Westone or Shure I would be VERY VERY worried right now. These are in ears monitors killers. These ZERO: 2 sound even better then the ZERO RED @amirm reviewed this year and these cost half the price of the ZERO's RED. I have no idea what these guys are doing but let me tell you that two of my worship leaders already ditched their $1500 molded in ears for these ZERO RED and when they listen to these new ZERO:2 pretty sure they are going to ask me to get a dozen of these. You can even use 1 per show and trash them after the show and not been worried about loosing a pair of $1500 molded in ears. We are living in a golden era of IEMs for sure.