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7Hz x Crinacle Zero:2 IEM Review

Rate this IEM:

  • 1. Poor (headless panther)

    Votes: 7 1.7%
  • 2. Not terrible (postman panther)

    Votes: 12 2.9%
  • 3. Fine (happy panther)

    Votes: 50 12.0%
  • 4. Great (golfing panther)

    Votes: 346 83.4%

  • Total voters
    415
Yes

It's what your brain wanted to hear.
I think it's bit presumptuous to dismiss the opinion of others. Somewhat also disrespectful. I hate to call you out on this, but this kind of attitude ruins online participation.

If I decide to share what I truly believe I heard, I should expect that my opinion, should be very well received, without inordinate critic. I did not come here to debate or argue.

Shutting others down, as you have attempted to do to my comments, really degrades the conversation.

Who are you to comment on my opinion of what I heard? Were you in my head when I heard it?

Assuming you know everything about human hearing, is part of the problem. Please some humility would help, neither you nor anyone else is the authority on human hearing, and has the right to tell others that what they heard, is untrue.
 
I think it's bit presumptuous to dismiss the opinion of others. Somewhat also disrespectful. I hate to call you out on this, but this kind of attitude ruins online participation.

If I decide to share what I truly believe I heard, I should expect that my opinion, should be very well received, without inordinate critic. I did not come here to debate or argue.

Shutting others down, as you have attempted to do to my comments, really degrades the conversation.

Who are you to comment on my opinion of what I heard? Were you in my head when I heard it?

Assuming you know everything about human hearing, is part of the problem. Please some humility would help, neither you nor anyone else is the authority on human hearing, and has the right to tell others that what they heard, is untrue.
The DAC does not change the sound because the DAC's job is to send a clean and pure signal. A DAC that changes the sound is a poorly designed DAC.
The only part of the playback chain that can make changes are headphones and IEMs.

The DAC only has to convert the sound from digital to analog without changing it. The amplifier "only" has to amplify the analog signal. If this does not happen it is because something is wrong.

No one wants to discredit you, but you can't get angry if someone says something to you and many in here ALSO have technical skills in the audio field.
 
I think it's bit presumptuous to dismiss the opinion of others. Somewhat also disrespectful. I hate to call you out on this, but this kind of attitude ruins online participation.

If I decide to share what I truly believe I heard, I should expect that my opinion, should be very well received, without inordinate critic. I did not come here to debate or argue.

Shutting others down, as you have attempted to do to my comments, really degrades the conversation.

Who are you to comment on my opinion of what I heard? Were you in my head when I heard it?

Assuming you know everything about human hearing, is part of the problem. Please some humility would help, neither you nor anyone else is the authority on human hearing, and has the right to tell others that what they heard, is untrue.
No presumption here, and nothing against you. I truly believe that you hear differences, and this is precisely why i said that it's what your brain want to hear. Unless you are comparing a very very poorly measuring device, no real audible differences exist, but the expectations and biases generated by your brain, even unconsciously, make you hear difference for real, brain is extremely powerful at deceiving us.
As others have already replied (read the discussion linked by @Berwhale earlier), here at ASR we try to keep this in mind as much as possible, so this "but I heard it" thing cannot pass so easily.
 
The DAC does not change the sound because the DAC's job is to send a clean and pure signal. A DAC that changes the sound is a poorly designed DAC.
The only part of the playback chain that can make changes are headphones and IEMs.

The DAC only has to convert the sound from digital to analog without changing it. The amplifier "only" has to amplify the analog signal. If this does not happen it is because something is wrong.

No one wants to discredit you, but you can't get angry if someone says something to you and many in here ALSO have technical skills in the audio field.
I am not angry, only limited, that I do not have the science to explain the difference I hear in DACs.

Lots of things we cannot measure, yet the people who hear differences in these things can openly speak of what they hear, and no one doubts them or asks them to produce any evidence.

E.g. Different driver topologies do not sound the same, but I have not yet seen any measurement that demonstrates why one is better than the other - NOT one measurement. To demonstrate the benefits or otherwise of dynamic drivers vs planar magnetics vs electrostatics vs Balanced Armature vs Ribbons, etc, etc. They may exist. but I have not seen one such measurement that can empirically show which should be superior from the human hearing point of view.

Yet people tout the advantages or otherwise, of one or the other. With absolutely no scientific evidence, and these are discussed here on this forum.
 


Some other possibilities are listed below

LetshuoerS12 Pro
I bought the S12 Pro a while back. They quickly became my daily drivers. While (imo) they sound quite good without EQ, a few minor tweaks can make them even better (when isn’t that true?). I don’t see them mentioned here much at all, which is why I figured I‘d throw this out there. They’re certainly a step up from the Zero 2s price-wise, but I feel they were well worth the cost. Not dissing the zero2, though. For the price, they are practically unbeatable.
 
I am not angry, only limited, that I do not have the science to explain the difference I hear in DACs.

Lots of things we cannot measure, yet the people who hear differences in these things can openly speak of what they hear, and no one doubts them or asks them to produce any evidence.
Not here at ASR. On the contrary you'll always find criticism and irony toward reviews or comments trying to describe a SOURCE sound, as a recent example when this review was shared in the Jcally JM20 thread:
https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/jcally-jm20-headphone-dongle-review.58749/post-2147116

E.g. Different driver topologies do not sound the same, but I have not yet seen any measurement that demonstrates why one is better than the other - NOT one measurement. To demonstrate the benefits or otherwise of dynamic drivers vs planar magnetics vs electrostatics vs Balanced Armature vs Ribbons, etc, etc. They may exist. but I have not seen one such measurement that can empirically show which should be superior from the human hearing point of view.

Yet people tout the advantages or otherwise, of one or the other. With absolutely no scientific evidence, and these are discussed here on this forum.
headphones\iems and speakers are a different matter since, as already said above, they are the only part of the playback chain that can make changes in sound (ok, unless you WANT a source to change it via eq\dsp).
But when comes to sources, no, if they measure equally transparent, all the differences you hear are placebo.
 
I picked up a pair of these recently and they are perfect for my treble sensitive ears. They pair very nicely with an Astell/Kern SR15 and no EQ but also sound very good with EQ similar to the review recommendation. I swapped the tips for some SpinFit W1s and I'm getting a good seal + tight fit on the nozzle. It is honestly a bit ridiculous how good these sound for the $ spent when paired with a good source. I don't have any super high dollar IEMs but for comparison my daily IEM driver has been the Meze Rai Solo EQed to soften the upper midrange peak but leave everything else as designed. That is a much maligned IEM that folks either love or hate due to the nonstandard frequency emphasis. I'm also one of those oddballs that like listening to AudioQuest Nighthawk/NightOwl headphones with no EQ so my listening preference leans towards a thicker bass tuning and these IEMs do not disappoint in that area.
 
I bought the S12 Pro a while back. They quickly became my daily drivers. While (imo) they sound quite good without EQ, a few minor tweaks can make them even better (when isn’t that true?). I don’t see them mentioned here much at all, which is why I figured I‘d throw this out there. They’re certainly a step up from the Zero 2s price-wise, but I feel they were well worth the cost. Not dissing the zero2, though. For the price, they are practically unbeatable.
I can imagine that the S12 Pro would be definitely better sounding than the Zero 2. The possibilities of the planar magnetic technology, and in particular the way in which the use of multiple drivers is not essential to creating a great sound across all frequencies, is a breakthrough. I was stunned when I heard the ARTTI T10. Still am. I did a fairly extensive listening session a few hours ago, which involved the ARTTI T10 and the Zero 2, and while I can appreciate the Zero 2 as a good choice, for the budget conscious, we have to place the Zero 2 in context.

Zero 2, is likely to beat out the competition, especially those in its price bracket, and its also very well made and comes well packaged with many tips. One gripe I have is the 3.5mm plug end of the supplied cable is rather small to hold, and is the most difficult cable I own, and takes rather more delicacy and effort to plug it in, or remove it from my DAC dongle. Much easier to have something more substantial to hold, at that end of the cable. Any comparisons with any planar magnetic, in my opinion are unfair, there is just no chance that the Zero 2, and that goes for probably other single DD IEMs, to sound anywhere near as resolving as a planar magnetic IEM.

Of course these are opinions, my opinion based on what I have heard, from my single DD IEMs, vs the ARTTI T10.

One other minor gripe, but this is not peculiar to the Zero 2, is I think they are supplied with the wrong eartips. And this is my hypothesis.

1. When I paired the Zero 2 with a wider bore eartip, the Clarion TRI, for my ears the large option of this eartip, fit like a glove. Best fit of any eartip, so far. But this opens up the frequency response of the Zero 2, in both the highs and lows, making the V-Shaped Frequency response more discernible, and increasing some of the screechiness/harshness in the upper frequencies. One one hand the tip replacement improves the frequency response of the Zero 2, but it also reveals some weaknesses of the Zero 2.

For those who "live" by frequency measurement plots, while these can be a good attempt at an objective method of comparing different IEMs, in the abscence of any alternative comparison method, it also begs the question, what eartips were used for these measurements.

Furthermore I find that reviewers, whose opinions I respect, such as Akros on Youtube, do not use the stock eartips or stock cables in their reviews. And most likely also in their measurements.

So unwittingly, the end user experience may NOT line up with the opinions of reviews, including any opinions expressed on ASR, cos we have this very valid opportunity for divergence, based on inconsistencies in teh use of these IEMS, with different cables and moreso with different eartips.

2. It is possible that the makers of Zero 2 (and I find this applies to KZ), deliberately provide eartips which dampen the upper frequencies, to "hide" the anomalies in the higher frequencies, where I detect a certain "resonance", and by resonance I mean an excessiveness, that becomes fatiguing and unpleasant, a shrill overtone. The use of a wide bore eartip exposes this flaw in the Zero 2, the more, albeit the wider bore eartip, nevertheless improves the overall sound of the Zero 2, making it more open and revealing its full potential, albeit highlighting the flaws in the upper frequencies. Using the same eartip, the third party Clarion TRI, on the ARTTI T10, also makes the T10 sound more open in the top end, than the stock narrow bore eartips. The T10 is supplied with its own set of wide bore eartips, but in my early days of using this IEM, they, in my opinion reduced the bass, making the presentation thin, so I was not encouraged to use them. The Clarion TRI (or similar eartip with a wide bore) is one "mod" I would suggest anyone who owns a Zero 2, experiment with.

Further details of this eartip enhancement of the Zero 2 and other IEMs is shared at the link below. I did start a new thread, to discuss this, but it's been merged with another one established by someone else. Kind of heavy handed admin management by ASR, but well that's their prerogative.!! Have no issue with it being moved to another section of the site, but being completely merged with some other thread, that's a 1st for me. Never experienced that. Never knew that was possible. But we learn each day.. Only learnt about the change, when I was searching for a link to the thread, so I could share it here. Anyway the link below, links to the relocated 1st post I made.

 
Anyone else had any problem with one of the sides getting lower and lower? :\ I did notice it once when I just bought them but it disappeared quickly, but now the other day I noticed it again with the left one being around 6dB lower and slightly altered in tonality, and today it was down by 13dB!
And yeah I did clean it, and tried swapping the cable but it's still there. Will contact the seller and hope that I can get a new pair, just wondering if this is a common thing or if I'm just unlucky..
 
Anyone else had any problem with one of the sides getting lower and lower? :\ I did notice it once when I just bought them but it disappeared quickly, but now the other day I noticed it again with the left one being around 6dB lower and slightly altered in tonality, and today it was down by 13dB!
And yeah I did clean it, and tried swapping the cable but it's still there. Will contact the seller and hope that I can get a new pair, just wondering if this is a common thing or if I'm just unlucky..
It seems like a silly thing but it worked for me and not only with this IEM: once in the ears, have you tried to see if this is not due to flexing of the driver?
It happened to me once and many times with another pair of IEMs and, once inserted in the ears, I gave them taps and the sound went back to normal
 
It seems like a silly thing but it worked for me and not only with this IEM: once in the ears, have you tried to see if this is not due to flexing of the driver?
It happened to me once and many times with another pair of IEMs and, once inserted in the ears, I gave them taps and the sound went back to normal
Nope, no dice :(
 
Anyone else had any problem with one of the sides getting lower and lower? :\ I did notice it once when I just bought them but it disappeared quickly, but now the other day I noticed it again with the left one being around 6dB lower and slightly altered in tonality, and today it was down by 13dB!
And yeah I did clean it, and tried swapping the cable but it's still there. Will contact the seller and hope that I can get a new pair, just wondering if this is a common thing or if I'm just unlucky..
Yes, one of my original pair dropped in volume after about 9 months daily use. It was a little disappointing, but given the price of them and (for me) excellent fit, I simply ordered another pair (and then another spare pair in when I spotted them for $15 on AliExpress).
 
Yes, one of my original pair dropped in volume after about 9 months daily use. It was a little disappointing, but given the price of them and (for me) excellent fit, I simply ordered another pair (and then another spare pair in when I spotted them for $15 on AliExpress).
Not sure if I like doing that, that's the definition of use-and-dispose, I've never ever had a pair of headphones (or speakers for that matter) that did something like this, buut that might be the actual price of these being so cheap and good sounding at the same time :\
Thanks for confirming this though. If I could get another pair of IEM with similar performance for a bit higher price I'd go for that instead, but I guess there's no guarantee :(
 
Not sure if I like doing that, that's the definition of use-and-dispose, I've never ever had a pair of headphones (or speakers for that matter) that did something like this, buut that might be the actual price of these being so cheap and good sounding at the same time :\
Thanks for confirming this though. If I could get another pair of IEM with similar performance for a bit higher price I'd go for that instead, but I guess there's no guarantee :(
Sounds like filter slippage/ gunk buildup to me. Get a torch and magnifying glass on the nozzles
 
Sounds like filter slippage/ gunk buildup to me. Get a torch and magnifying glass on the nozzles
True, right. By the way, on the T10, the net is only for protection and has no impact on the sound. In that case it would be enough to remove it, wash it and if no longer usable, order some on Aliexpress for the price of a coffee
 
Can zero 2 match MP145/143 or not even close? Thanks
I think the Zero 2 sounds better. They both come with extremely low distortion, so you can eq to your heart’s content and still be below audibility.
The only real reasons to pick one over the other are comfort and build quality imho.
 
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