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7Hz x Crinacle: Diablo/Divine Discussion

bilifen

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Wanted to make a discussion thread for the Diablo/ Divine.

Received my Diablo yesterday. This is my third IEM, my first one was the Moondrop Chu, which I hated. Could have been many things, I don't remember tbh. My second IEM was the TRUTHEAR x Crinacle ZERO. My daily driver (Qudelix 5k + EQ). Using them with Spinfit CP155 (M), I am still amazed how good they are for the ~43€ I payed in November 2022. I'm writing this so you know that I don't really know what I'm talking about haha.

My first reaction trying the Diablo was a "that's it?". Not a great first impression, but also not surprising to me. It's less of a change then I would have wanted I guess, I know that doesn't work My sample size is small and I don't really know what I want from these, just wanted to try out that planar bass, as I listen mainly to D&B. Other genres would be psytrance, where the bass is my point of interest. More interesting will be the genres where I wont think about all this and get surprised.

I'm still warming up to the Diablo, fucking around with EQ and adjusting on vibe and some small understanding. I think I want more subbass, maybe less midrange? Until someone smarter then me builds some EQ profiles I'll be fucking around and finding out haha.

Tips don't really fit me I think, waiting on Spinfit Neo I ordered, looks like they are relatively new, hopefully they just fit perfectly and I don't have to bother with that anymore. Nozzle is 5.43mm, nozzle lip is 6.16mm, nozzle length (with lip) is 4.54mm.
I have 7 pairs, should've been 6, white + white stem and white + pink stem are the same I think.

Cable is visually good, but to stiff and bulky. The same with more thinner strands could be cool I think. But I'm not using the cable, trying two different cables out, with a microphone.

What really surprised me, how little energy they need to run. From the very unscientific tests I've done (switching back and forth), I need less then half mV on my Qudelix 5k for the same loudness with the Diablo compared to the Turthear Zero. That's ~-7db.

You know you've listend to much when you have condensation(?) on the filter mesh of the IEMs haha.
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Manual talks about burn-in, I didn't expect that. Here's the manual snippet, with all it's flaws.
"We suggest using high-resolution lossless music such as DSD, FLAC, or WAV audio format.
To optimised listening experience, we recommend first burning-in the earphone at low volume for 10 to 30 hours. After which, gradually increase the volume until you have arrived at your normal listening level.
Continue to burn-in for another 100-200 hours."

What are you're impressions from either the Diablo/Divine? Maybe the Divine would be a better fit for me to EQ up but I thought EQing down would be better, also black shell is more my taste.
 
As far as sound and comfort are concerned, I prefer my 7Hz x Crinacle Zero:2 over both my TruthEar x Crinacle Zero BLUE and RED. However, i'm on my third pair of Zero:2's as the left IEM failed on the first two pairs after approximately 1 years use. Something better built from 7Hz x Crinacle does appeal, but probably not at 4-5x the cost of the Zero:2.

Actually, whilst the Zero:2 are on sale, I could buy 6 pairs of them for less than the Diablo or Devine!
 
It really is insane how good these cheap IEMs are that it's hard to justify spending 100€+.
 
Damn, I might actually have some defect with my Diablo.

I just plugged in my Qudelix 5k to charge while still being connected to bluetooth to my phone and watching videos.

I'm hearing a loud hum. I'm confused. It's even there when the Qudelix is off and just charging.
Then I started testing. Switching power adapters, trying power bank (no hum at all on power bank), different charging cables, different audio cables...

If I touch the housing metal of the 3,5mm the hum disappears. The hum is on both sides but much much louder on the right Diablo IEM. Swapped cables, switched sides, switched cable sides, right IEM has a hum.

With the Truthear Zero, the hum also exists! But it's so quiet that you really need to listen to it and then touch the 3,5mm metal housing. It's so quiet I was second guessing myself, but no, it's here. Cable doesn't matter.

As is, I won't be able to use the Diablo while charging my Qudelix 5k through wall power (unless I hold the mezal housing).

Insane issue. I wonder if 2,5mm would solve this. I don't have any 2,5mm 2pin cables.
 
Sounds like a ground loop problem. I didn't expect a mobile device like the Qudelix to have it, though. If it is that, the 2.5mm cable will eliminate the issue. Try plugging into another source (any will do) and seeing if the problem persists.

Moreover, the fact that the Truthear Zero also hums is an indicator of the source signal/equiptment being the problem. Their hum being quieter is just a result of their lower sensitivity (really, they're the most insensitive iems I have).
 
Looks like I have the same problem plugging the Diablo in to my phone (Xperia 1 VI) when it's plugged into the wall. (Didn't even think about trying that haha.)
Left is quiet, but audible, right is really audible. And it's gone by touching the metal housing aswell.
 
"We suggest using high-resolution lossless music such as DSD, FLAC, or WAV audio format.
To optimised listening experience, we recommend first burning-in the earphone at low volume for 10 to 30 hours. After which, gradually increase the volume until you have arrived at your normal listening level.
Continue to burn-in for another 100-200 hours."

Really unexcusable nonsense. I didn't expect this kind of broscience from an official manual.
 
I got the Divine and like the tuning. No complains here.
But as bilifen said the cable is stiff and heavy. One of the worst I’ve got till now. Look and feel reminds me of a truck ignition cable.
The „burn in recommendation for optimisation“ made me laugh. Making this claim without explaining what exactly one need to expect getting better afterwards is just stupid imho. Don’t know what they were thinking.
 
@d1m0n could you please check if you have the same "ground" problem I have, by charging your phone/dac through the wall? Curious if you have basically no hum at all, or if you have one side that's significantly louder.
 
@d1m0n could you please check if you have the same "ground" problem I have, by charging your phone/dac through the wall? Curious if you have basically no hum at all, or if you have one side that's significantly louder.
Yes, I can reproduce it easily with my 5K and even with my MacBooks builtin Output while loading.
I can alter the hum loudness differently on both sides by wiggling around the earpieces with my finger while wearing them.
Sounds and feels like a ground loop. I guess those were somehow more audibly prone to this (metal shell?)
 
Got the Spinfit Neos. Way more comfortable. Can appreciate the planar way more, I think I actually even understand more on what the difference is. Did a bit of A/B testing but it sucks and is slow, changing tips doesn't help with that.

Again, the Spinfit Neo are pretty comfortable. So comfortable I didn't really feel them. Was a bit weird at first, but this is good I guess. But it's sealing, I'm hearing the bass more consistent, so they do have good contact. I'm still unsure about how deep I need to insert the IEMs, seems like it doesn't matter, but idk. The stems of seem fragile, don't know if they actually are, wouldn't want to install/remove them often.

I do run an EQ profile now with which I don't really play around with anymore (AutoEQ + my edits), boosted lowend, turned down midbass, mids and upper mids. I attached the PEQ, if it interests someone. Be aware that this is vibe EQ. (The preamp doesn't matter, for my usecase, it was for same volume between different EQ profiles for different IEMs.)

I also ordered a different IEM set to try, which I will talk about when/if it arrives In another thread if I feel like it.
 

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you went from a clean, shouty presentation to a less shoutier iem with boatloads of bass and midbass. It's going to sound a lot more bloated and less "correct" and will give you loads less detail compared to something well tuned like the divine. Not only is the subbass going to mask the upper frequency detail but the midbass bloat will call attention to itself. You bought into it lol
 
you went from a clean, shouty presentation to a less shoutier iem with boatloads of bass and midbass. It's going to sound a lot more bloated and less "correct" and will give you loads less detail compared to something well tuned like the divine. Not only is the subbass going to mask the upper frequency detail but the midbass bloat will call attention to itself. You bought into it lol
Yes, you're right. I am learning in what I want/ what not, for such subjective thing like audio, that only works with trial and error imo. And now I am "fixing" that by EQing. Here are my EQ profile compared to the original sound signature.
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Yes, you're right. I am learning in what I want/ what not, for such subjective thing like audio, that only works with trial and error imo. And now I am "fixing" that by EQing. Here are my EQ profile compared to the original sound signature.View attachment 494738
dang brotha coulda just returned this and gotten the divine lol
 
dang brotha coulda just returned this and gotten the divine lol
I've ordered on amazon, I can return them in january if I want to. And I presumably will so, but I'm still trying them out as I have now one day of good fit with them. Anyway, because of that higher ground loop on one the right side, I presumably need to return them anyway because that really annoyed me multiple times already.
 
I've ordered on amazon, I can return them in january if I want to. And I presumably will so, but I'm still trying them out as I have now one day of good fit with them. Anyway, because of that higher ground loop on one the right side, I presumably need to return them anyway because that really annoyed me multiple times already.
qc issues, YIKES!
 
I also ordered a different IEM set to try, which I will talk about when/if it arrives In another thread if I feel like it.
Received my Punch Audio Martilo ~1h ago. Got them for a really got price, ~200€, if I get the cashback for this purchase I'm getting it for ~150€, which would be insane.
Even after a short amount of time I can say that this is waaaaay more my thing/tuning. I can even run this without EQ without any instant points that I would want to change. Will for sure make a thread about these IEMs after giving them some more time.
 
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