7Hz Sonus

[lewdish]

Whats soundstage like?

 

[herr.jemine]

Whats soundstage like?

The stage is very dense and tight, if there is not much going on in the music, the thing can sound clear, but everything breaks down when the music becomes complex, bass and sub-bass are there, but rather muddy and below average compared to other devices in the price range - the 7Hz x Crinacle Zero:2 or KZ Caster are more relaxed and sound more balanced and less stressful - but that is just my subjective impression.

 

[mc.god]

Whats soundstage like?

soundstage on headphones and expecially on iem is a totally subjective perception related to frequency response and interaction with your specific ear canals and hrtf, this is the only answer i can provide.

The stage is very dense and tight, if there is not much going on in the music, the thing can sound clear, but everything breaks down when the music becomes complex, bass and sub-bass are there, but rather muddy and below average compared to other devices in the price range - the 7Hz x Crinacle Zero:2 or KZ Caster are more relaxed and sound more balanced and less stressful - but that is just my subjective impression.

Given you previous comment too, it seems Sonus doesn't comply well with your ear canals, I don't feel any congestion in the "stage", no more than all other iems I own, let alone bass muddiness in complex tracks, but, as you say, all subjective impressions.

 

[herr.jemine]

soundstage on headphones and expecially on iem is a totally subjective perception related to frequency response and interaction with your specific ear canals and hrtf, this is the only answer i can provide.


Given you previous comment too, it seems Sonus doesn't comply well with your ear canals, I don't feel any congestion in the "stage", no more than all other iems I own, let alone bass muddiness in complex tracks, but, as you say, all subjective impressions.

well, I can compare it with other IEMs in my collection - the MP145 have a very wide open soundstage, the Sonos is as big as a broom closet in comparison, they don't seem to suit me

 

[InfiniteJester]

The stage is very dense and tight, if there is not much going on in the music, the thing can sound clear, but everything breaks down when the music becomes complex, bass and sub-bass are there, but rather muddy and below average compared to other devices in the price range - the 7Hz x Crinacle Zero:2 or KZ Caster are more relaxed and sound more balanced and less stressful - but that is just my subjective impression.

For me, Crinacle Zero:2 absolutely chokes when it tries to reproduce complex music like this:

It sounds muddy, congested, compressed...

In the MP145 it is delightful to hear the brilliant arrangement of this song.

All my IEMs with better soundstage are made of metal and don't have balanced armatures nor microplanars, they are just planars or have one or more dynamic drivers. I wonder if what we perceive as soundstage is some kind of reflection of the drivers on the metal shells and that can't be replicated by resin nor by BAs and MPs enclosed in their tiny boxes that end in plastic tubes.

 

[herr.jemine]

For me, Crinacle Zero:2 absolutely chokes when it tries to reproduce complex music like this:
All my IEMs with better soundstage are made of metal and don't have balanced armatures nor microplanars, they are just planars or have one or more dynamic drivers. I wonder if what we perceive as soundstage is some kind of reflection of the drivers on the metal shells and that can't be replicated by resin nor by BAs and MPs enclosed in their tiny boxes that end in plastic tubes.

yes mp145 sounds more holographic, the instruments are more three-dimensional, the Zero2 also separates the instruments but they appear flat and get lost in the sound mush - MP145 is perfect

 

[ObjectiveSubjectivist]

Bought them out of curiosity as I looked for that Harmanish tuning but with tad less energy around 3-5khz.
I like them. The built quality is slightly better than Zero2 but comfort wise is much better.
With Zero2 I have some minor issues with seal.

Sound wise it's close to my personal perfect tonality.

 

[Sebby]

yes mp145 sounds more holographic, the instruments are more three-dimensional, the Zero2 also separates the instruments but they appear flat and get lost in the sound mush - MP145 is perfect

I had similar feelings with Zero Red

 

[Sebby]

For me too, the IE200s are among my favorite IEMs, but I think that Rose Technic Star City 5 Pro are the version that is a little less "fun" at first glance but more balanced and technical for €10 more.
Great imaging, never gets muddy even on the busiest tracks, good soundstage... I returned the Sonus.

 

[Sebby]

For me, Crinacle Zero:2 absolutely chokes when it tries to reproduce complex music like this:

It sounds muddy, congested, compressed...

In the MP145 it is delightful to hear the brilliant arrangement of this song.

All my IEMs with better soundstage are made of metal and don't have balanced armatures nor microplanars, they are just planars or have one or more dynamic drivers. I wonder if what we perceive as soundstage is some kind of reflection of the drivers on the metal shells and that can't be replicated by resin nor by BAs and MPs enclosed in their tiny boxes that end in plastic tubes.

Try the Sennheiser IE200
In terms of soundstage they are not better than MP145 but they will not disappoint you.
Final A3000 has an insane soundstage, yet they are made of ABS

 

[karahan96]

Hello. I’m new to the forum. I recently bought the Sonus based on a recommendation. Before that, I had the KZ EDX PRO but couldn’t use it much. I’m not sure if the treble was too high, but it hurt my ears, so I sold it. While using the Sonus, I noticed that the sound quality is nice and the soundstage is wide, vocals are very clear but the bass is weak. I want explosions, gunshots, and other sound effects in games and movies to be deep and impactful. I play games and watch movies a lot, so I’m looking for a headphone that suits this. Also, I want it to be comfortable for long sessions without causing ear irritation. Based on this, should I sell the Sonus and get another headphone? The price should be the same as or lower than the Sonus. The options I’m considering are Zero2, KZ D6QS, Truthear Crinacle Zero Blue, or Red. What would you recommend?

 

[mc.god]

Hello. I’m new to the forum. I bought the Sonus based on a recommendation. Before that, I had the KZ EDX PRO but couldn’t use it much. I’m not sure if the treble was too high, but it hurt my ears, so I sold it. While using the Sonus, I noticed that the sound quality is nice and the soundstage is wide, vocals are very clear but the bass is weak. I want explosions, gunshots, and other sound effects in games and movies to be deep and impactful. I play games and watch movies a lot, so I’m looking for a headphone that suits this. Also, I want it to be comfortable for long sessions without causing ear irritation. Based on this, should I sell the Sonus and get another headphone? The price should be the same as or lower than the Sonus. The options I’m considering are Zero2, KZ D6QS, Truthear Crinacle Zero Blue, or Red. What would you recommend?

Hello and welcome to ASR.
Sonus sound profile is more on the balanced side and, while not at all bass shy, especially in sub bass region, there are certainly iems that punch more, and I would suggest Zero 2 in that regard.
Anyway I would suggest to first check that you get a prefect seal with Sonus, eventually trying bigger o different shaped tips, because they are certainly not bass weak at all and able to give very tasty rumble.

 

[karahan96]

Hello and welcome to ASR.
Sonus sound profile is more on the balanced side and, while not at all bass shy, especially in sub bass region, there are certainly iems that punch more, and I would suggest Zero 2 in that regard.
Anyway I would suggest to first check that you get a prefect seal with Sonus, eventually trying bigger o different shaped tips, because they are certainly not bass weak at all and able to give very tasty rumble.

Glad to be here. Since I just got it, I’m currently doing a burn-in, and I’m around 50-60 hours in. The user manual suggests continuing burn-in for 100-200 hours. From what I’ve researched, there doesn’t seem to be any solid scientific evidence for this, but I’m following the instructions and using a playlist I found on YouTube—hopefully, it helps.

I’ve tested it in many movie scenes, and what I’ve noticed is that explosion scenes sound somewhat muffled, as if the earphones are limiting themselves. As you mentioned, this is probably due to their balanced tuning. I believe this is called bass slam, and I would have liked it to be more impactful. I don’t think the ear tips would change this significantly, but if a different type—like foam tips—is needed to improve this, I might have to get some.

 

[mc.god]

Glad to be here. Since I just got it, I’m currently doing a burn-in, and I’m around 50-60 hours in. The user manual suggests continuing burn-in for 100-200 hours. From what I’ve researched, there doesn’t seem to be any solid scientific evidence for this, but I’m following the instructions and using a playlist I found on YouTube—hopefully, it helps.

I’ve tested it in many movie scenes, and what I’ve noticed is that explosion scenes sound somewhat muffled, as if the earphones are limiting themselves. As you mentioned, this is probably due to their balanced tuning. I believe this is called bass slam, and I would have liked it to be more impactful. I don’t think the ear tips would change this significantly, but if a different type—like foam tips—is needed to improve this, I might have to get some.

Burn-in is a myth, even admitting membrane material stabilization\loosening\whatever, nothing will make a tangible difference in frequency response.
Maybe you're looking for something with more mid-bass punch, in that direction you could try Blon Z300 more than Zero 2, but if you are lookinf for similar bass to the EDX Pro than you should check something like 7Hz Elua

or even at the pricier 7Hz Legato

 

[karahan96]

Burn-in is a myth, even admitting membrane material stabilization\loosening\whatever, nothing will make a tangible difference in frequency response.
Maybe you're looking for something with more mid-bass punch, in that direction you could try Blon Z300 more than Zero 2, but if you are lookinf for similar bass to the EDX Pro than you should check something like 7Hz Elua
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or even at the pricier 7Hz Legato
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Thanks for the graphs! There doesn’t seem to be a huge difference between the Zero 2 and Sonus, so I’m not sure if it’s worth selling and switching.
I really didn’t like the KZ EDX Pro, probably because it was too treble-focused—it made my ears hurt. I don’t want something like that. Unfortunately, the Blon Z300 and Legato are not available in Turkey.

 

[mc.god]

Thanks for the graphs! There doesn’t seem to be a huge difference between the Zero 2 and Sonus, so I’m not sure if it’s worth selling and switching.
I really didn’t like the KZ EDX Pro, probably because it was too treble-focused—it made my ears hurt. I don’t want something like that. Unfortunately, the Blon Z300 and Legato are not available in Turkey.

If KZ's are easily available for you I'd advise to try EDX Lite, they are much more refined than EDX Pro in the higher-mid and treble area, and so cheap that you can't go wrong anyway (but don't know for you country), I got them recently for around €3.50 and they are incredible at that price:

 

[Dazerdoreal]

Thanks for the graphs! There doesn’t seem to be a huge difference between the Zero 2 and Sonus, so I’m not sure if it’s worth selling and switching.
I really didn’t like the KZ EDX Pro, probably because it was too treble-focused—it made my ears hurt. I don’t want something like that. Unfortunately, the Blon Z300 and Legato are not available in Turkey.

I don't own either of these IEMs, but people generally underestimate how much wide-range differences matter.

I aligned the graphs at 400hz to make the differences more visible. You should expect a significant brighter sound from the Sonus and less bass.

 

[karahan96]

I don't own either of these IEMs, but people generally underestimate how much wide-range differences matter.

I aligned the graphs at 400hz to make the differences more visible. You should expect a significant brighter sound from the Sonus and less bass.

But the difference in bass isn't that much, wouldn't it work if I increased the bass with EQ settings? ChatGPT is recommending the KZ DQ6S. What about it?

 

[mc.god]

But the difference in bass isn't that much, wouldn't it work if I increased the bass with EQ settings? ChatGPT is recommending the KZ DQ6S. What about it?

If you can use eq, Zero 2 can be easily tuned to your liking due to its extremely low distortion. We don't have distortion measuremets for Sonus but it's worth trying, they have an 11 mm dynamic driver for bass that theoretically should accept a fairly high bass shelf filter.
DQ6S graph seems in line with what you are searching, not suprising since they are a collab with HBB that is known for liking strong bass (he tuned the Z300 as well).

 

[karahan96]

There are many IEM options available. I have found Zero 2, Truthear Zero Red/Blue, and KZ DQ6S. If there is a better model in this price range that suits my needs, I am open to suggestions. However, it is important that I can find it in Turkey. As you can see, the sound profile I am looking for has a higher left side and a lower right side on the graph—meaning less brightness and more emphasis on bass. However, I don't want to stray too far from natural sound. Additionally, accurate directional sound positioning is important for FPS games.
By the way, Can you share DQ6S graph?

If you can use eq, Zero 2 can be easily tuned to your liking due to its extremely low distortion. We don't have distortion measuremets for Sonus but it's worth trying, they have an 11 mm dynamic driver for bass that theoretically should accept a fairly high bass shelf filter.
DQ6S graph seems in line with what you are searching, not suprising since they are a collab with HBB that is known for liking strong bass (he tuned the Z300 as well).

@Dazerdoreal