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7Hz Salnotes Zero IEM Review

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I tend to use the Zero 2 sat sitting here 'downstairs,' and the Zeros are up on the second rig, although for general quick listening, I have finally got the ancient HD265s to 'sound' quite good now. The Zero red tips need a lot of faffing about in my lugs to get the bass going and it's SO easy to lose it, the result then bright, if clean with it. Get a good seal, and the bass is fine.

Not sure that the Zero 2 tips 'sound' right with the Zero though, and definitely don't vice versa. If someone could once again suggest universal tips (from Amazon maybe?) to try to help make use easier and less fiddly, I'd be grateful. The stiff connecting cable's a bit of a pain as well, but I don't usually move around when 'plugged in' so it's not such a bother...
 
I tend to use the Zero 2 sat sitting here 'downstairs,' and the Zeros are up on the second rig, although for general quick listening, I have finally got the ancient HD265s to 'sound' quite good now. The Zero red tips need a lot of faffing about in my lugs to get the bass going and it's SO easy to lose it, the result then bright, if clean with it. Get a good seal, and the bass is fine.

Not sure that the Zero 2 tips 'sound' right with the Zero though, and definitely don't vice versa. If someone could once again suggest universal tips (from Amazon maybe?) to try to help make use easier and less fiddly, I'd be grateful. The stiff connecting cable's a bit of a pain as well, but I don't usually move around when 'plugged in' so it's not such a bother...
Unfortunately no tips can be considered universal, it all depends on your ears and the iem shape, the very same tips can be perfect on an iem in your ears and give you no seal with another iem, so is really a matter of try and feel... I run my Zero fine with stock yellow tips from the first moment so didn't try other tips with it but on other iems i like a lot Tri Clarion and TRN T tips, they have a sort of stickiness that maybe can help you retaining them in your ears, they are also very cheap from Aliexpress that giving a try will not hurt.
 
If you increase the stereo width on these, they become a whole other level of fidelity and spaciousness when paired with some simple EQ filters.

Here is what worked for me on a mac
SoundSource for Mac - allows me to insert Effects into any output on my mac. What a piece of software!
140% stereo width, -2db on the output gain. I used a mastering EQ plugin called Amek 200 because it let me mono the bass below 70hz to make sure I wasn't widening bass accidentally. But you could try something like this for free, which I think does the same thing (except it's fixed and automatic): https://polyversemusic.com/products/wider/

Here's my Amek Settings.
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Notes: I started at 150% stereo width, and found that to be good on some tracks, but terrible on others. Overall it made FX too present, so I dialed it down to compromise until I could hear a clear phantom centre and FX weren't overbearing. Vocals now sit directly between my ears and I can judge reverb decay almost as if I am listening in a room.

I used Pro-Q to dial in EQ Settings. For a transparent free EQ, ReaEQ is a great option but you'd need to guestimate a curve since ReaEQ has different labelling (bandwidth instead of Q). Thankfully, the curve is quite simple, so it shouldn't be too difficult to dial in whatever you use.

Sub Bass
Low Shelf: 14hz @ -0.5dB, Q = 0.3
Low Shelf: 106hz @ +05dB, Q = 9

Notes: the sub-bass doesn't really need much, but there is a 2.5dB sudden drop at around 100hz that slowly rises toward the bottom of human hearing, so "fixing" that to taste is what I am going for. Combined with the top-end treatment, I liked this result. a lot!

Midrange
Nothing. it's pretty much perfect, although a bell with a Q of 1 to reduce some "shout" in the upper midrange might be preferred by some listeners. Start with -0.5db centred at 3.5khz and see how that sounds.

Top end
Narrow Bell Shape: 12.7khz @ -5dB, Q = 10
High Shelf (seems to help little deficieny in the air): 20khz @ +1db Q = 0.3

Turn the Gain down on the EQ the same amount as your highest point of boosting to make sure nothing clips.

Here is the shape of the EQ.
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My honest-to-goodness response when I started listening to all kinds of music with these tweaks was "Holy Sh***!!". I've never heard such fidelity in a pair of headphones before. The top end is smooth and airy, and the bottom end cranks deep and distortion-free. I can now locate panned FX and instruments with surprising precision, Reverbs and delays sing and dance all over the sound stage, and clarity is positively wonderful.
 
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I used Pro-Q to dial in EQ Settings. For a transparent free EQ, ReaEQ is a great option but you'd need to guestimate a curve since ReaEQ has different labelling (bandwidth instead of Q). Thankfully, the curve is quite simple, so it shouldn't be too difficult to dial in whatever you use.
Just complimenting that FabFilter uses a different definition for Q-factor to the vast mayority of other EQ plugins, in case you want to try these settings using for example a TDR plugin. I don't remember the exact conversion formula but it should be easy enough to find on the internet.
 
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That's helpful to know
Just complimenting that FabFilter uses a different definition for Q-factor to the vast mayority of other EQ plugins, in case you want to try these settings using for example a TDR plugin. I don't remember the exact conversion formula but it should be easy enough to find on the internet.
That's helpful to know. I mostly listened to find what thought sounded nice with the numbers from Amir and Crinacle as a starting point.

It took a lot of revisions to arrive at this one, which I ended up liking better than a by the numbers recreation of target curve adjustments. Maybe it's just me, but I thought the adjustments made these little IEMs pretty sweet
 
I started looking more into EQ curves that can be created with squigs, as my EQ settings from above still were too bright for me to consider them tonally neutral. So, I created an EQ curve that fixes the HF issues with the Salnotes ... I'm still figuring out what the various curves are. This picture is from the hangouts site of the resulting curve.

My method was simple: search up the Salnotes Zero on hangouts.audio
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Use AutoEQ to get a baseline for adjustments, pictured below
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Make Manual Adjustments to further deal with the peaks and valleys above 4khz.
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The listening result
I did all of the above using just the numbers and the graph as my guide. I didn't listen until I was finished with the adjustments. The results in listening was the thought that IEMs are now stunningly accurate, deep and clear without being underrepresented or overrepresented in any band from 20hz-20khz. Everything in every octave is in it's place, with just a hint of HF sharpness that I want to try to keep working on.

It makes a huge difference to not have any spikes of more than a dB or two in the top end. Somehow, I also don't hear any phase issues, which I was worried about doing such large moves without a linear phase EQ. But these IEMS are obnoxiously bright without EQ, and the AutoEQ settings don't deal enough with that due to the nature of Q values and the need to combine EQ settings to get a desired result.

With these EQ settings, I believe I will be hard pressed to find better sounding headphones - though I will keep trying to :)

They are positively wonderful sounding now and I think they could be even better sounding with further tweaking. And with the ability of using a simple text file to EQ headphones using nothing more than mathematical values combined with a live graph that shows what the adjustments are doing, I believe it should be more than possible to create headphones with a small DSP chip in them that could apply a static or even various "colours" of correction like Harman 2018, B&K and others, thus effectively eliminating the need for extensive hardware-level tuning in favour of getting into the ballpark with the physical materials, and then complimenting the rest with a switchable EQ using a text-based parametric EQ DSP would take almost zero processing power and offer near-zero latency.
 

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I used not to hear with earphones as the poor wearing comfort absolutely prevented me from enjoying it. After 20 min the latest the ears began to hurt.
The problem of a reliable seal came on top of this.
Only recently I found the solution for me. Instead of using silicone or (hard) foam tips as they come with the earphones I make my own from super soft ear plugs with a hole punch, a piece of wood with 12mm bore and the sharpest kitchen knife I have.
It takes maybe 3-4 min to produce a pair and much of this is waiting for the foam to unfold again.
With these I sometimes actually forget that I wear earphones, never happened before. And I can get a seal without feeling pressure in/on the ear.
For me the wearing comfort of earphones is now on par with the best headphones.
pro: much lighter
con: the closed ear canal does seem to sound a bit unnatural
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Sonicfoam makes great tips comfy and isolating, there's the only one I can deal with they made me like iems, if you don't want to struggle again of making some yourself. Only 2 euros a pair. I've been listening the the 7hzs right now for 3 hours I don't feel them at all and the noise isolation is as good as my airpods pro with ANC on but the sub frequency where it falls a bit short.
 
Sonicfoam makes great tips comfy and isolating, there's the only one I can deal with they made me like iems, if you don't want to struggle again of making some yourself. Only 2 euros a pair. I've been listening the the 7hzs right now for 3 hours I don't feel them at all and the noise isolation is as good as my airpods pro with ANC on but the sub frequency where it falls a bit short.
Thank you for the recommendation. But it is no struggle at all to produce the tips from ear plugs once you made the first one. But they are rather cheap indeed (though the earplugs are 40ct/pair).
And the fact that Sonicfoam produces 3 sizes makes me think that the foam is actually not as flexible and soft as the 3M ear plugs. Ear plugs are one size fits all because they expand four or fivefold (or more) easily without resulting in significant pressure in the ear.
But maybe I will check Sonicfoam tips out one day when I stumble over them.
 
Bought yesterday from amazon with coupon 27.99€ 22.39€, I absolutely dislike the stock cable, it's different from the one amirm has in the review, too thin, it looks very cheap and it doesn't stay in position around my ears, replaced with an silver balanced 4,4mm I bought from Aliexpress for 1.30€, the color fits nicely.
I don't really understand the different ear plugs, you have 6 pairs (including the red already installed), there are not clear indication on the instructions about the dimensions.

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Bought yesterday from amazon with coupon 27.99€ 22.39€, I absolutely dislike the stock cable, it's different from the one amirm has in the review, too thin, it looks very cheap and it doesn't stay in position around my ears, replaced with an silver balanced 4,4mm I bought from Aliexpress for 1.30€, the color fits nicely.
I don't really understand the different ear plugs, you have 6 pairs (including the red already installed), there are not clear indication on the instructions about the dimensions.
This is a review for the 7Hz Salnote Zero. You have bought the 7Hz x Crinacle Zero:2 - which are newer, but equally excellent, if not better... https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/7hz-x-crinacle-zero-2-iem-review.50534/

I agree with you regarding the stock cable, I use a Linsoul balanced one with my Zero2's...

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I don't like the stock tips either. I have Moondrop Spring Tips on mine...

 
This is a review for the 7Hz Salnote Zero. You have bought the 7Hz x Crinacle Zero:2 - which are newer, but equally excellent, if not better... https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/7hz-x-crinacle-zero-2-iem-review.50534/

I agree with you regarding the stock cable, I use a Linsoul balanced one with my Zero2's...

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I don't like the stock tips either. I have Moondrop Spring Tips on mine...

My bad, posted now in the right thread
 
Thank you for the recommendation. But it is no struggle at all to produce the tips from ear plugs once you made the first one. But they are rather cheap indeed (though the earplugs are 40ct/pair).
And the fact that Sonicfoam produces 3 sizes makes me think that the foam is actually not as flexible and soft as the 3M ear plugs. Ear plugs are one size fits all because they expand four or fivefold (or more) easily without resulting in significant pressure in the ear.
But maybe I will check Sonicfoam tips out one day when I stumble over them.
Well yeah you're right it won't but as comfy as regular ear plugs. Let's say the sonic foams are the least uncomfortable tips i've found. I get sore after 3 hours of listening which is enough. Usually without them I want to take iems off after less than a hour. I've thought about doing you DIY solution before for motocycle rides but I couldn't justify the hassle since I've found them.
 
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