432hz

[Eirikur]

Might the 440 and 432 bit just be preference ?

That's crazy talk, are you sure you are in tune with the universe?

 

[Mnyb]

Sounds a bit new-age to me all of this , I understand to idea to try to play in historically correct pitch .
But the idea that any pitch aka frequency is more “natural” ? i remain sceptical.
I would respect the artistic choice , if someone made music with A=432 and I liked it I would be totally ok . Why not it’s art.

Btw can someone present an unnatural frequency for me to hear

 

[Berwhale]

https://jakubmarian.com/the-432-hz-vs-440-hz-conspiracy-theory/
In 1939, there was an international conference held in London that resulted in a recommendation to use A = 440 Hz, as a compromise between the various tuning systems used at the time, some of which reached beyond 450 Hz. This recommendation was further supported by the fact that the BBC required their orchestras to tune to 440 Hz instead of 439 Hz because 439 is a prime number, and the corresponding frequency was hard to generate electronically with standard electronic clocks. Eventually, in 1955, the standard A = 440 Hz was adopted by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO).

Virtually all commercially produced contemporary music is tuned to A = 440 Hz. Nevertheless, most symphony orchestras ignore the standard and tune to 441, 442 or 443 Hz instead, while orchestras specializing in older music may sometimes use a tuning close to the one for which the piece was originally written, which may range from 415 Hz to 470 Hz.

One of my friends is a piano teacher, she prefers 442Hz tuning!

432 sound out of tune to me.

 

[solderdude]

Btw can someone present an unnatural frequency for me to hear

100Hz triangle wave ?

 

[solderdude]

That's crazy talk, are you sure you are in tune with the universe?

I just calibrated myself

 

[beefkabob]

All kinds of stupid.

 

[Fregly]

If you are cursed or blessed with perfect pitch it will bother you. String players might like it as it lowers the tension some and is easier on the hands.

 

[Robin L]

One more time.

There is no such thing as perfect pitch.

. . .with the possible exception of throwing a banjo [viola, accordion . . .] into a trash can without hitting the rim.

All pitch is relative, "Well Tempered" does not mean "equal" temperament [which is wrong anyway], Western Diatonic/Chromatic scales are not the only game in town.

And A= 432 is pure bullshit.

 

[Robin L]

I can see someone wanting to tune an instrument that way but changing the speed of entire music production including vocals and such, makes no sense to me.

You mean, like the original issue of "Kind Of Blue"?

 

[Berwhale]

Hmmm. If I EQ my lounge for 440, do I have to do it again if I switch to 432? What if I buy the wrong bass traps? This could get expensive...

 

[Fregly]

One more time.

There is no such thing as perfect pitch.

. . .with the possible exception of throwing a banjo [viola, accordion . . .] into a trash can without hitting the rim.

All pitch is relative, "Well Tempered" does not mean "equal" temperament [which is wrong anyway], Western Diatonic/Chromatic scales are not the only game in town.

And A= 432 is pure bullshit.

We are talking about two different things, and you rather loudly.

 

[BDWoody]

Now if alternative pitches have "transcendental powers" I want to know about it! I mean, I'm all for anything which will bestow that on me.

Have you tried Viagra?

 

[Ron Party]

Have you tried Viagra?

LOL!

 

[MC_RME]

There is no such thing as perfect pitch..

Of course there is:

I think this thread is about tuning. But don't worry, we oldtimers never will get perfect pitch anyway...

 

[beefkabob]

Tuning, at least in western music, is about getting the notes to work together in a way we're used to as westerners. When our piano goes out of tune, the problem isn't the sound of any single note being off. It's that the notes are all off from each other. The music gets all bent out of shape.

You can get used to tuning to x Hz or y Hz, but it ain't gonna sound good when different notes are all over the place.

 

[Robin L]

We are talking about two different things, and you rather loudly.

Not really. Perfect pitch insinuates that there is a numerically specific set of pitches which is universally known to be *perfect*. But all pitch is relative and the pitch set referred to as *perfect* is limited to specific situations. A=440 isn't always the case. The basis of this thread is A is supposed to = 432. But it's just another set of pitches that are accurate relative to each other. So someone claiming that A really is supposed to be 432 is nonsense in a world where A frequently = 415. Some orchestras are A = 445. Furthermore, that kid that gets pitches correct would be completely lost deciphering a composition by Harry Partch, where the octave is subdivided into 47 pitches.

I'm being loud because "Perfect Pitch" is a myth. Just as so many on this forum point out how tube amps are distortion generators, where the myth is that the distortion is euphonic and the reality is that distortion is distortion, one way or another.

 

[Juhazi]

In perfect harmony - no matter which tuning and distortion profile!

Love and Peace

 

[Robin L]

Tuning, at least in western music, is about getting the notes to work together in a way we're used to as westerners. When our piano goes out of tune, the problem isn't the sound of any single note being off. It's that the notes are all off from each other. The music gets all bent out of shape.

You can get used to tuning to x Hz or y Hz, but it ain't gonna sound good when different notes are all over the place.

I worked with a man who, during the 1960's/1970's, tuned keyboards for a living. He studied tuning systems of the Baroque. Equal temperament is a compromise, equally out of tune everywhere. But there are Baroque tunings that are perfect in the home key and become progressively discordant the further from the home key. This was common practice in the 1700s. Some composers used this effect deliberately.

Ain't no such thing as "Perfect Pitch".

 

[DonH56]

Old music joke...

 

[Feargal]

I've no idea if there's a perfect pitch or not (and doubt there's a magical frequency), but the 432Hz examples sounded out of tune to me because I'm so used to (mainly) playing and also listening to music which is tuned to A=440Hz.