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3e Audio A7 [TPA3255 PFFB Stereo] Finished Amplifier - User Impressions | Owner's Thread

It still is beyond me why they did not include a common trigger in/out. What I've read, the auto-on/off function seems to be utter garbage in these amps. I was about to buy one but bought an Audiophonics MPA-S250NC instead solely because of the trigger.

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What I've read, the auto-on/off function seems to be utter garbage in these amps.
Works fine for me (first generation). Should work even better from the second batch on.

It all depends on what you use the amp for, sensitivity of your speakers, listening distance and desired minimum listening level. I'd.go so far and say that it probably worked OK for most users even in the first batch (those who had no need to come here and complain). Of course, I wish yi had the 2nd gen features. :)

I for one hate the idea if additional trigger cables.
 
Works fine for me (first generation). Should work even better from the second batch on.

It all depends on what you use the amp for, sensitivity of your speakers, listening distance and desired minimum listening level. I'd.go so far and say that it probably worked OK for most users even in the first batch (those who had no need to come here and complain). Of course, I wish yi had the 2nd gen features. :)

I for one hate the idea if additional trigger cables.

I use my system to listen to music. Sensitivity of my speakers is 93dB, listening distance is 3-4 meters, minimum listening level is pretty quiet, about 40-45dB, maybe even less, as sometimes I leave the system on playing ambient music to get sleep.

Reading these commments give quite a different picture here - there seems to be a real problem with the sensitivity of auto-on/off. I have no idea if it is an isolated problem with the latest iterations or something more widespread, and frankly I do not care as I have no way of knowing which I'd get if I'd purchase one now.

And I really do like the trigger function. It is very handy, simple and widely used. Tastes differ, this is mine. And it is still beyond me why leave the function out but I'd suspect the reason is cost, even though it would be a minimal one.

Anyway, I'm happy with the Hypex I have, ticks all the boxes atm.
 
I use my system to listen to music.
Are you trying to imply something here? Or did you really not come across people using these amps in active multi-way configurations, feeding only high sensitivity tweeters? Come on ...

Sensitivity of my speakers is 93dB, listening distance is 3-4 meters, minimum listening level is pretty quiet, about 40-45dB, maybe even less, as sometimes I leave the system on playing ambient music to get sleep.
I won't do the math for you. Unless you tell me that you're really lacking the skills and need my help, of course. Until then I assume you have a profound knowledge of how each of this factors influences the usability of auto-sensing. 3e Audio clearly specify the sensitivity threshold.

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The sensitivity rating is incomplete without specifying the voltage.

Reading these commments give quite a different picture here - there seems to be a real problem with the sensitivity of auto-on/off. I have no idea if it is an isolated problem with the latest iterations or something more widespread, and frankly I do not care as I have no way of knowing which I'd get if I'd purchase one now.
That's what happens when you just pick those posts that feed your confirmation bias. The first batch is long sold out, so you are sure to receive a unit from a new batch ...

Anyway, I'm happy with the Hypex I have, ticks all the boxes atm.
... but you didn't come here to inform yourself prior to purchase. You came here for other reasons. :)
 
Are you trying to imply something here? Or did you really not come across people using these amps in active multi-way configurations, feeding only high sensitivity tweeters? Come on ...
I thought you asked what I'd use it for, and I replied. I did not think that is somehow a wrong thing to do. English is not my native language so maybe there are nuances that I miss.

I won't do the math for you. Unless you tell me that you're really lacking the skills and need my help, of course. Until then I assume you have a profound knowledge of how each of this factors influences the usability of auto-sensing. 3e Audio clearly specify the sensitivity threshold.
No need to help, thank you.
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The sensitivity rating is incomplete without specifying the voltage.
Can I reply to this? Oh well, I'll take the risk: 2,83V. I believe this is the standard in the industry so I did not think it is a relevant to specify every time. I'm sorry for that.
That's what happens when you just pick those posts that feed your confirmation bias. The first batch is long sold out, so you are sure to receive a unit from a new batch ...
However, I think we both can agree there has been a problem? And how could I know if the store I'd buy it from would've sold out the batch with the problem.
... but you didn't come here to inform yourself prior to purchase. You came here for other reasons. :)
What are you implying here? I'm sure you'd like to tell me what those reasons are but I really do not see any point in this. I wrote a comment how I don't see why not include a trigger option as it would've make the product even better. You basically wrote I do not need (or at least it isn't that important) it and that you hate trigger cables. I wrote I'd liked it to have one nevertheless, answered to (assumed) questions, and here we are. After all, this is a discussion forum.

As said before, tastes differ. Nothing else to say. Have a nice day/evening/night/morning! :)
 
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I guess I am not going to enjoy the 3e Audio A7 stereo amplifier in the United States of America. Because of the whole madness with the import duties/tariffs AliExpress wanted to charge me $420 for it. It's the cost plus tariffs plus state sales tax (VAT). I just ordered two Fosi V3 mono blocks with separate power supplies. With all the coupons and discounts it was $239. That's a very big difference. I hope the Fosi sounds similar to A7. Oh..well.. that's life.
 
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I use my system to listen to music. Sensitivity of my speakers is 93dB, listening distance is 3-4 meters, minimum listening level is pretty quiet, about 40-45dB, maybe even less, as sometimes I leave the system on playing ambient music to get sleep.

Reading these commments give quite a different picture here - there seems to be a real problem with the sensitivity of auto-on/off. I have no idea if it is an isolated problem with the latest iterations or something more widespread, and frankly I do not care as I have no way of knowing which I'd get if I'd purchase one now.
maybe there used to be a problem with the auto on/off sensitivity -
i also own A5 "newer version" for over a month now, in which there's a function you can turn off/on the auto standby.
I encountered zero issues with this function, actually i'm completely amazed with how good it works. i can't remember when was the last time i manually put the amp into standby
 
maybe there used to be a problem with the auto on/off sensitivity -
i also own A5 "newer version" for over a month now, in which there's a function you can turn off/on the auto standby.
I encountered zero issues with this function, actually i'm completely amazed with how good it works. i can't remember when was the last time i manually put the amp into standby

I have an A7 on the way, and I'm looking forward to trying it out! I'm not sure if there's any actual different to the chassis of the two models, but is there a 12v trigger input on yours? The one shown in the review here does have one, but there's been a few mentions in this thread asking why it was removed, and if there are plans to put it back.
 
I have an A7 on the way, and I'm looking forward to trying it out! I'm not sure if there's any actual different to the chassis of the two models, but is there a 12v trigger input on yours? The one shown in the review here does have one, but there's been a few mentions in this thread asking why it was removed, and if there are plans to put it back.
as far as i know, only review samples had the 12v trigger input. the newer model with the improved auto on/off sensitivity doesn't have them, and they also implemented s a function to disable the auto on/off - i'll have the search the A5 review thread for the howto on that. from what i remember, when the amp is in standby mode (all leds off), you long press its button until leds flashing , then you can turn on/off this function

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3eaudio said:
we had made some change base on user feedback and suggestion from ASR member, thanks again for all of your advice and help us keep improve.
  • Auto power off time set to 20 mins
  • Increase audio detection sensitivity RCA: 200uVrms; XLR: 400uVrms,this significantly meet some user listening in very very low volume.
  • Auto audio sensing power on/off can be disable/enable by user.
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as far as i know, only review samples had the 12v trigger input. the newer model with the improved auto on/off sensitivity doesn't have them, and they also implemented s a function to disable the auto on/off - i'll have the search the A5 review thread for the howto on that. from what i remember, when the amp is in standby mode (all leds off), you long press its button until leds flashing , then you can turn on/off this function

EDIT:
3eaudio said:
we had made some change base on user feedback and suggestion from ASR member, thanks again for all of your advice and help us keep improve.
  • Auto power off time set to 20 mins
  • Increase audio detection sensitivity RCA: 200uVrms; XLR: 400uVrms,this significantly meet some user listening in very very low volume.
  • Auto audio sensing power on/off can be disable/enable by user.
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Thank you!

Shame that it doesn't have a trigger input anymore, hopefully @3eaudio reconsiders putting it back in.
 
after over a month with the A5, the audio sense auto on/off works flawlessly . i doubt they'll return that 12v trigger .

It would be a handy feature for people who would like to use this amp in a HT situation, I think. I got the A7 to use in my desktop system, so I personally don't need it for this use case, but I was considering moving it to my bedroom since it does have a volume bypass, which would need a trigger input (IMO). The PA5 II I'm using right now will get moved to the bedroom, which does have a trigger, but with no volume bypass I'm left figuring out what volume level to leave the amp at so that it:

a) doesn't get too hot (I'm weary of putting the volume knob to is max)

and

b) It's loud enough so that I don't have to crank the volume on the DAC/preamp (which will be the D50 III I'm using right now since I plan to replace it and my HPA with the upcoming DX5 II)

But all of that nonsense is for a completely different topic of discussion that I will not continue here. I 100% believe you when you say the auto on functionality works flawlessly, but I have a bit of a sordid relationship with that functionality. Don't get me wrong, though -- I'm going to give it a fair shake before I make any decision to disable it when I get my hands on it (it's looking like it'll be next week).


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Another question I have is how easy would it be to swap out the binding posts if, say, one wasn't keen on the stock posts? My main complaint about these types of amps are the binding posts that are used.
 
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Oh well, I'll take the risk: 2,83V. I believe this is the standard in the industry so I did not think it is a relevant to specify every time.
No, there is no industry standard and what comes closest to being one is the sensitivity at a distance of 1 m with an 1 Watt input power. This is a pretty useless standard as it leads too man companies to nominally label their speakers as 8 Ω when they clearly should be (nominally) labeled 4 Ω.

However, I think we both can agree there has been a problem? And how could I know if the store I'd buy it from would've sold out the batch with the problem.
Depending on the use case, some users have complained. A use case is not simply defined by “listening to music”. I wasn't trying to trap you; I was asking a simple, serious question. And I also explained long ago in which cases problems could arise.

So, problem? Yeah, for some. Crap? No.

There are only two sales channels for us customers in Europe, either the official 3e Audio AliExpress store or audiophinics.fr. Both are.long out of stock as far as the first batch goes. You can also ask before buying.
 
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Another question I have is how easy would it be to swap out the binding posts if, say, one wasn't keen on the stock posts? My main complaint about these types of amps are the binding posts that are used.
no offense but why are you nitpicking into a product you haven't even received?
 
How easy/difficult would it be to replace them?
I had answered your question directly if I could. :) But so far I didn't open the case myself and only have seen pictures of the inside.
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I don't think I'd attempt to change them as they seem to be connected to some kind of riser PCB.
 
no offense but why are you nitpicking into a product you haven't even received?

No offense taken. I occasionally like to do some low-level tinkering, and given that 3e Audio -- at least at some point -- had the kits/parts for people to build the amp themselves (it is still listed under the products dropdown on their site, but the buy it now buttons take you to a 404 error page on AliExpress), I don't see the issue with inquiring about a little customization/personalization. I don't think of it as being any different than swapping out the op amps.

I also asked because I've had the binding posts on these types of amps fall apart on me before (hence my comment about them being my biggest complaint). In that specific case, it would be easier for all parties involved if it was something the end user could replace themselves in 15 minutes rather than send the whole thing back, and wait for a new unit to arrive.

If that's being nitpick-y, I do apologize. It's just how my brain works. If they're as decent as @harkpabst says they are (and I have zero reason to doubt that), then I likely won't feel a need to replace them.

I had answered your question directly if I could. :) But so far I didn't open the case myself and only have seen pictures of the inside.

I don't think I'd attempt to change them as they seem to be connected to some kind of riser PCB.

This photo does seem to indicate that it might not be too difficult?

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It all depends on whether the wires are soldered directly to the post or to a metal tab that is sandwiched between the nut and that square piece of brass(?). If it happens to be the former, I'm definitely not going to screw around with that. I'm also assuming that these are not "full-sized" binding posts (i.e. the same size as ones you'd find on an AVR or full-sized power amp)?
 
No offense taken. I occasionally like to do some low-level tinkering, and given that 3e Audio -- at least at some point -- had the kits/parts for people to build the amp themselves (it is still listed under the products dropdown on their site, but the buy it now buttons take you to a 404 error page on AliExpress), I don't see the issue with inquiring about a little customization/personalization. I don't think of it as being any different than swapping out the op amps.

I also asked because I've had the binding posts on these types of amps fall apart on me before (hence my comment about them being my biggest complaint). In that specific case, it would be easier for all parties involved if it was something the end user could replace themselves in 15 minutes rather than send the whole thing back, and wait for a new unit to arrive.

If that's being nitpick-y, I do apologize. It's just how my brain works. If they're as decent as @harkpabst says they are (and I have zero reason to doubt that), then I likely won't feel a need to replace them.
ok, i think you'll be pleasantly surprised with how well built and thought out is the A5 (and i suppose the A7 as well) - honestly it reminds me of a good quality car power amp, just with an external power supply and a volume knob
 
How easy/difficult would it be to replace them?
No offense taken. I occasionally like to do some low-level tinkering, and given that 3e Audio -- at least at some point -- had the kits/parts for people to build the amp themselves (it is still listed under the products dropdown on their site, but the buy it now buttons take you to a 404 error page on AliExpress), I don't see the issue with inquiring about a little customization/personalization. I don't think of it as being any different than swapping out the op amps.

I also asked because I've had the binding posts on these types of amps fall apart on me before (hence my comment about them being my biggest complaint). In that specific case, it would be easier for all parties involved if it was something the end user could replace themselves in 15 minutes rather than send the whole thing back, and wait for a new unit to arrive.

If that's being nitpick-y, I do apologize. It's just how my brain works. If they're as decent as @harkpabst says they are (and I have zero reason to doubt that), then I likely won't feel a need to replace them.



This photo does seem to indicate that it might not be too difficult?

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It all depends on whether the wires are soldered directly to the post or to a metal tab that is sandwiched between the nut and that square piece of brass(?). If it happens to be the former, I'm definitely not going to screw around with that. I'm also assuming that these are not "full-sized" binding posts (i.e. the same size as ones you'd find on an AVR or full-sized power amp)?
I had opened up my 3e A7 unit's case couple days back for something and I can confirm that there aren't any wires used for binding posts.
PCB is made with those risers that have solder points and binding posts connect/soldered onto them. @3eaudio can confirm if they are changing it in newer batches.


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It shouldn't be difficult to replace them as long as unsoldering isn't an issue for you without damaging but 3e have used similar binding posts as Topping A7 (or Aiyima A07 Max, Aiyima A70, Aiyima A80 etc.) and are thicker/heavier than you get on Fosi's etc.
These may not be expensive but much much better than you see on others, I am saying this because I use thick spades which many such small amplifiers can not accommodate but worked well with A7. Along with the quality of the binding posts, the spacing/arrangement is also better than many others. @3eaudio haven't left any scope for complains there, just excellent.
 
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