If a speaker gets overdriven (with clean power) by playing music, there is something wrong with the speaker, the gain structure, the user... but not usually the amp.
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3e audio A7/A7 Mono Amplifier Review
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daniboun
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That's what was said above) that being said the A7SE was not measured. You are extrapolating by analogy.100 euro extra. Anyway, do you evaluate amplifiers on how they drive (and protect) your speakers or on how much can you brag about standard ratings?
This is a Tpa3255 PFFB stereo BTL. Aiyima A70.
And this is the 3e A7
Notice anything? Imagine you are driving your speakers full power and the impedance drops. Some bass kick or whatever. I wouldn't bet on the speakers.
Of course, we can trust 8 ohm speakers to never go below 4 ohm. In which case you are right, A7 is pointless.
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52v 9a power supply is nowhere to be found. They're shop in Ali doesn't offer it. Strange.
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My sample has been here for quite a while. So the accessory situation may have changed.
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"52V is a customize voltage and supplier do need a certain quantity for MOQ,we didn't have confidence how the marketing will be at begining so we decide to combine 48V/5A and 48V/10A(seperated) same as A7.
in the next integrated(SMPS) amp will re-use this 52V one with PCB redesign and other optimized"
3e Audio A7 [TPA3255 PFFB Stereo] Finished Amplifier - User Impressions | Owner's Thread
I don't get it. If there is no improvement to the sound (and there isn't).... It's purpose is simply the joy it brings to the participant. Where does the joy come from?
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ICIETDIYEUR
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I agree with Sokel's statement.
Any serious DIY enthusiast, or even a manufacturer, knows very well that ELNA has long since stopped producing SILMIC II.
There were stocks, for example at 'HIFI COLLECTIVE,' but there's barely enough left to equip a single device...
Lester of SYLPH AUDIO, for his part, had informed his customers that his PCBs would be equipped with SILMIC II as long as they were available and that they would subsequently be replaced with NICHICON UFG (fine gold series): this is called 'transparency' (as far as customers are concerned).
Amirm: I suggest you contact either ELNA, MOUSER, DIGIKEY, FARNELL, TOPPING, or SMSL (your choice) to ask them this question
You will see that I can therefore affirm that any device or single component resold under the ELNA SILMIC II name is not authentic.
This is therefore a 'commercial claim' intended to benefit from the reputation for the quality of its components in an unjustified and abusive manner.
In France, we call this counterfeiting and/or false advertising, and with the consequences that this entails
Some distributors will try to justify themselves by sending you a photo of a box with the original delivery slip from ELNA, but if you do a search with GOOGLE images you will quickly realize that it comes from the 'meanders of the internet'.
Once again, I remind you that neither TOPPING or SMSL uses this reference in these devices and that this is not by chance...
Any serious DIY enthusiast, or even a manufacturer, knows very well that ELNA has long since stopped producing SILMIC II.
There were stocks, for example at 'HIFI COLLECTIVE,' but there's barely enough left to equip a single device...
Lester of SYLPH AUDIO, for his part, had informed his customers that his PCBs would be equipped with SILMIC II as long as they were available and that they would subsequently be replaced with NICHICON UFG (fine gold series): this is called 'transparency' (as far as customers are concerned).
Amirm: I suggest you contact either ELNA, MOUSER, DIGIKEY, FARNELL, TOPPING, or SMSL (your choice) to ask them this question
You will see that I can therefore affirm that any device or single component resold under the ELNA SILMIC II name is not authentic.
This is therefore a 'commercial claim' intended to benefit from the reputation for the quality of its components in an unjustified and abusive manner.
In France, we call this counterfeiting and/or false advertising, and with the consequences that this entails
Some distributors will try to justify themselves by sending you a photo of a box with the original delivery slip from ELNA, but if you do a search with GOOGLE images you will quickly realize that it comes from the 'meanders of the internet'.
Once again, I remind you that neither TOPPING or SMSL uses this reference in these devices and that this is not by chance...
daniboun
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I agree with Sokel's statement.
Any serious DIY enthusiast, or even a manufacturer, knows very well that ELNA has long since stopped producing SILMIC II.
There were stocks, for example at 'HIFI COLLECTIVE,' but there's barely enough left to equip a single device...
Lester of SYLPH AUDIO, for his part, had informed his customers that his PCBs would be equipped with SILMIC II as long as they were available and that they would subsequently be replaced with NICHICON UFG (fine gold series): this is called 'transparency' (as far as customers are concerned).
Amirm: I suggest you contact either ELNA, MOUSER, DIGIKEY, FARNELL, TOPPING, or SMSL (your choice) to ask them this question
You will see that I can therefore affirm that any device or single component resold under the ELNA SILMIC II name is not authentic.
This is therefore a 'commercial claim' intended to benefit from the reputation for the quality of its components in an unjustified and abusive manner.
In France, we call this counterfeiting and/or false advertising, and with the consequences that this entails
Some distributors will try to justify themselves by sending you a photo of a box with the original delivery slip from ELNA, but if you do a search with GOOGLE images you will quickly realize that it comes from the 'meanders of the internet'.
Once again, I remind you that neither TOPPING or SMSL uses this reference in these devices and that this is not by chance...
I agree with you about 3E Audio's marketing approach. If the ELNA SILMIC II are no longer produced, we can only say that this is false advertising. However, the performance is not affected, so even if I condemn this kind of practice, the product remains good.
@3eaudio take care please :
As a reminder, in France: Deceptive commercial practices are a criminal offense. They are punishable by two years' imprisonment and a fine of €300,000 (Article L132-2 of the French Consumer Code).
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ICIETDIYEUR
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I completely agree with everything you said, Danyboun.
Just a side note: AUDIOPHONICS is located in France, what could their 'position' be on this matter ?
Just a side note: AUDIOPHONICS is located in France, what could their 'position' be on this matter ?
daniboun
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In the interest of fairness, I contacted them about this. I would like to clarify this point.
No offense, but don't underline words or put them in bold either or other... Americans aren't fond of this practice in communication.
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Hi Amir,
Thanks as usual for the review.
Is there any way to add to your tests for the, admittedly somewhat corner case, use with electrostatics, presenting, as they do, a capacitive load as opposed to resistive. Experience seems to point towards good high current delivery as a requirement. Currently using a pair of Quad 606 MK1 current dumpers to drive my Martin Logan's.
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USAicans must get really pissed at bibliographies!
JSmith
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It's not just Americans... it's general online etiquette. All capital letters means raising voice or yelling, bolded capital letters means shouting angrily or with extra emphasis.
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daniboun
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daniboun
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Jokes aside, they are mostly angry at the Chinese right now )
antcollinet
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I'm not saying it is the case here - I have no idea.
But it is possible for a manufacturer to make a device obsolete in one (or more) geographic region, when they are still made and available elsewhere. It can be dependant upon global manufacturing/marketing strategy.
But it is possible for a manufacturer to make a device obsolete in one (or more) geographic region, when they are still made and available elsewhere. It can be dependant upon global manufacturing/marketing strategy.
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In which advertisment? Do you have a Link?
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I have just checked it myself.
On the 3e audio website you can find the advertisement or reference to ELNA Silmic II
A5x A7x Series Next-Gen PFFB Amplifier | 3e Audio
www.3e-audio.com
Not on the audiophonics website
3E AUDIO A7 Amplificateur
3E Audio, acteur reconnu dans le monde du DIY, propose le A7, un amplificateur classe D stéréo, conçu avec des composants Hi-Fi audiophiles. En effet, l'amplificateur A7 repose sur deux puces TI TPA3255 en configuration PBTL...
www.audiophonics.fr
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daniboun
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@ICIETDIYEUR
From Audiophonic :
"Hi,
The Elna Silmic IIs are indeed no longer produced, but this doesn't mean that those used by 3E Audio are fake.
We believe these are NOS (New Old Stock), but we will still verify this with the manufacturer.
I will get back to you as soon as we receive a response from the manufacturer.
Pending a response, we will remove this clarification from the product sheets.
We remain at your disposal for any further questions and wish you a good day,
Sébastien FOURMOND
Sales Administration Manager - Customer Service"
From Audiophonic :
"Hi,
The Elna Silmic IIs are indeed no longer produced, but this doesn't mean that those used by 3E Audio are fake.
We believe these are NOS (New Old Stock), but we will still verify this with the manufacturer.
I will get back to you as soon as we receive a response from the manufacturer.
Pending a response, we will remove this clarification from the product sheets.
We remain at your disposal for any further questions and wish you a good day,
Sébastien FOURMOND
Sales Administration Manager - Customer Service"
ICIETDIYEUR
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Don't play on words or the appearance of Audionaut, because it's the same product, right ?
I just want to ask what a buyer would think if they were offered a piece of jewelry, for example, that was very pretty and well-made, but that it was labeled gold when it was actually just gold-plated metal ?
JSmith: You'll notice that I use boldface out of respect for the names and brands mentioned.
If this is misinterpreted by some, as it seems to be your case, then I apologize; it wasn't my intention, and I won't use this "typography" again.
Regarding AUDIOPHONICS, they are serious enough and know the legal provisions very well to act accordingly as Danyboun just pointed out in his post.
I just want to ask what a buyer would think if they were offered a piece of jewelry, for example, that was very pretty and well-made, but that it was labeled gold when it was actually just gold-plated metal ?
JSmith: You'll notice that I use boldface out of respect for the names and brands mentioned.
If this is misinterpreted by some, as it seems to be your case, then I apologize; it wasn't my intention, and I won't use this "typography" again.
Regarding AUDIOPHONICS, they are serious enough and know the legal provisions very well to act accordingly as Danyboun just pointed out in his post.
daniboun
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Audiophonics has just removed the information relating to Elna Silmic II caps for all 3E Audio products in their site following our discussionsIn which advertisment? Do you have a Link?
PS
I have just checked it myself.
On the 3e audio website you can find the advertisement or reference to ELNA Silmic II
A5x A7x Series Next-Gen PFFB Amplifier | 3e Audio
Not on the audiophonics website
3E AUDIO A7 Amplificateur
3E Audio, acteur reconnu dans le monde du DIY, propose le A7, un amplificateur classe D stéréo, conçu avec des composants Hi-Fi audiophiles. En effet, l'amplificateur A7 repose sur deux puces TI TPA3255 en configuration PBTL...
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