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3e Audio A5 Stereo Amplifier Review

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    Votes: 5 1.6%
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    Votes: 12 3.8%
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    Votes: 51 16.3%
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    Votes: 245 78.3%

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I really wonder what the point of potting modules or subcircuits is. Dedicated hobbyists have reverse engineered the potted module of the original PA5 (@gamerpaddy) or even routinely fix the things (@Roland68), presumably by depotting them. A potential competitor can probably afford to buy several units, reverse engineer the circuit and analyze any semiconductors that have their markings ground off.

Who is really the target here? And it comes with a cost, of grinding, potting, additional failure modes and added difficulty to service and fix.
 
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@ Roland88:

You are right about the PSU MEANWELL HRP-600N3-48.

The RIPPLE is only 2mV, which is very low compared to the commonly used power supplies usually.

In addition, it can be set to 51V with a current of almost 12A, which is totally impossible to obtain even with a Gan 48V-10A power supply that is much less 'good' in terms of general characteristics, especially during large load fluctuations.

As a reminder, TEXAS INSTRUMENTS used the MEANWELL HEP-600-48 for the writing of the DATASHEET of the TPA3255, they certainly have a reason otherwise they would have used the 48V-10A Gan (LOL) :D

Now you think it's a coincidence that I used a 51V - 23A power supply for my DIY amp with two chips TPA3255 ?.... :rolleyes:
Do you have an idea what the N or N3 stands for? I found several listed as N or N3, but in the product photos of the label, there was no N.
 
@ surroundman:

I think that you are like the largest representative 'share' for this type of product and that your choice seems to me to be completely justified.

O-NOORUS has understood this by offering a model such as their D4 for example, we will see what will happen with their D3 PRO model which should not be long in arriving on the market ;)

I should wait for the O-NOORUS D3 Pro, which, if I'm not mistaken, will complete the D3 with the addition of a PFFB implementation and a new integrated DAC chip and obviously a remote control. I think he's going to be really great !
 
You are right daniboun ;):

- remote control
- display with leds (like D3)
- PFFB
- AK4493ES
- XU316
- QCC3084
- HDMI ARC
and still others in 'surprises' :cool:

And above all, cheaper than the 3eAudio models :p
 
You are right about the PSU MEANWELL HRP-600N3-48.

The RIPPLE is only 2mV, which is very low compared to the commonly used power supplies usually.

3E Audio modules have a good PSRR = no need to get such a low ripple.
Spending €130 for this PSU will not change the situation and will not impact performance.
 
When you can afford such a price for a simple amplifier then you are no longer close to that for a power supply... :rolleyes:
 
What is a shame is that the O-NOORUS D3 PRO will not have a review here as the other models sent do not seem to have 'caught the attention' :confused:
 
3E Audio modules have a good PSRR = no need to get such a low ripple.
Spending €130 for this PSU will not change the situation and will not impact performance.

@ Roland88:

You are right about the PSU MEANWELL HRP-600N3-48.

The RIPPLE is only 2mV, which is very low compared to the commonly used power supplies usually.

In addition, it can be set to 51V with a current of almost 12A, which is totally impossible to obtain even with a Gan 48V-10A power supply that is much less 'good' in terms of general characteristics, especially during large load fluctuations.

As a reminder, TEXAS INSTRUMENTS used the MEANWELL HEP-600-48 for the writing of the DATASHEET of the TPA3255, they certainly have a reason otherwise they would have used the 48V-10A Gan (LOL) :D

Now you think it's a coincidence that I used a 51V - 23A power supply for my DIY amp with two chips TPA3255 ?.... :rolleyes:
Are those 2 mV measured?

I just found all the data sheets for the HRP-600, HRP-600N, HRP-600N3. All of them are rated at 200 mV pk-pk at 36 V and 250 mV at 48 V.

The difference seems to be in the overload capability.

The the N and N3 have successively higher overload rating. Interestingly, digikey states that they will not deliver the N to end customers, only OEMs.

The N3 is specified at > 380 % overcurrent for 5 s, but only vaguely at > 105% rated power for 5s

The N (discontinued) is specivied at 105% - 200% rated power and > 280% overcurrent for 5s

The non-N is specified at 105-135% rated power and no mention of where the short term current limit is.
 
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I don't have any worries about this MEANWELL power supply which will undoubtedly be much better than the Gan power supplies anyway... :)
 
Get the A7se instead,
For 10€ more than the A5 you will have more than 50% of power under 4R and 8R
Good point and thank you for the response! Yes the F208s are 8 ohm nominal and 88.5dB sensitivity so the 7se should be fine. Would you concur that the fact that the 7se uses BTL vs PBTL is OK since the Parallel BTL is simply to support lower impedance speaker loads such as 2 and 4 ohm?
 
Ordering from Audiophonics can have its benefits, particularly when it comes to time.

My A5 just arrived from Ali, but it took nearly a month to get here :)
 

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I really wonder what the point of potting modules or subcircuits is. Dedicated hobbyists have reverse engineered the potted module of the original PA5 (@gamerpaddy) or even routinely fix the things (@Roland68), presumably by depotting them. A potential competitor can probably afford to buy several units, reverse engineer the circuit and analyze any semiconductors that have their markings ground off.

Who is really the target here? And it comes with a cost, of grinding, potting, additional failure modes and added difficulty to service and fix.
It's just silly and counterproductive , you buy yourself two weeks before the competition reverse engineers, but an eternity of support issues instead ...
 
What is a shame is that the O-NOORUS D3 PRO will not have a review here as the other models sent do not seem to have 'caught the attention' :confused:
It doesn’t have to be the case, no harm in requesting Amir with a PM.
 
Two quick things @amirm

when you get something sent from the manufacturer, don't you run the risk of the product being cherry picked for performance? If so, what kind of variance could you expect from the same product picked from their stock at random (what are typical variances?)

is there any concern with the brick PSUs on these products, regarding safety - is there any way to incorporate safety into the tests or is this completely outside the scope of ASR?
 
So those measurements might not be of help to the masses... @3eaudio could you send to Amir the correct power brick?
it is not 56V but 52V which i asked Amir to run 1 channel to cover the A7Mono config performance.
 
it is not 56V but 52V which i asked Amir to run 1 channel to cover the A7Mono config performance.
But in general, isn't a 48v PSU should have better measured performance except maximum power output than 52v!
 
Two quick things @amirm

when you get something sent from the manufacturer, don't you run the risk of the product being cherry picked for performance? If so, what kind of variance could you expect from the same product picked from their stock at random (what are typical variances?)

is there any concern with the brick PSUs on these products, regarding safety - is there any way to incorporate safety into the tests or is this completely outside the scope of ASR?
In my experience, that is very unlikely.
We have tested hundreds of photo products, mostly lenses and camera bodies, and there was nothing that was specially built or selected. Quite the opposite, which is why in certain cases we even requested or obtained a second test object because the test result was too bad for us.

The effort would be extremely high and what would it achieve?
We have many users here who do or check their own tests. If the test result is too good, it would immediately attract some attention.
If such fraud is discovered, it would be a major blow to the manufacturer's image and many customers would no longer trust the products, and perhaps products from this company would no longer be tested in the future.

The products are not tested here for audibility, but for measurements.
What should be achieved with today's products, which are already at the limits of feasibility? 1-2% SINAD or THD?

And now the most important question: if you can do that, why not implement it in series production? The components for this cost just a few cents.
Or have you noticed a product here that you suspect has been manipulated?

A lot has already been said about power supplies and there is over 20 years of experience with power supplies for workstations and gaming notebooks and other devices in this performance class; these are not new products.
In any case, these power supplies are much cooler when in use; I know of products that you could hardly touch when in use. And we are talking about power supplies that ran at least 5-7 days a week for 8-10 hours and that for 7-10 years.

The test setup (laboratory) for switching power supplies would be too expensive and too time-consuming (extraction, extinguishing system, test equipment, etc.).
 
But in general, isn't a 48v PSU should have better measured performance except maximum power output than 52v!
the amp can output higher power with higher supply voltage,but if test in 2ohm condition 48V will give more stable as the OCP is higher a little bit, the power supply share the same design 48Vx10A=480W, 480W/52V=9.1A
archimigo's review had perform that already,but let's confirm again here later.
 
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