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3-way vs 2-way speakers. Can 2-way speakers sound just as good as or better than 3-way speakers?

There are too many variables and trade-offs make generalizations. Cost is usually a factor so you'd have to compare 2-ways and 3-ways that cost the same. The midrange adds cost that you'd have to cut-out cost somewhere else.

The "best" speakers & monitors are usually 2-way plus a subwoofer (essentially 3-way) or 3-way with or without a subwoofer.

One "trick" is to use multiple small woofers which can go higher than a single larger woofer. That means you can use a higher crossover and get into the tweeter range without a midrange in-between.
For me, I expect the extra cost due to the extra components & expertise involved in dividing the sound 3 ways & getting the directivity correct for 3 drivers, etc.
I feel that, just by being a quality 3-way, it should and would cost more. Also, due to the less economies of scale of production.
It will probably cost more by a substantial amount for similar qualities.
But, when done right...
The question should be reversed: what great-excellent 2-ways are similar to great-excellent 3-ways (and at what cost).
Personally, I own excellent (to me) 2-ways with my pair of DIY floor firing subs (20 Hz-80 Hz) as their stands, effectively making each 2-way (even though they are a very clean +-2 DB 26Hz-20 KHz) a 3-way (which, to me, is better).
 
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Triaxial on top 15 on bottom both BMS drivers with a sub the white one in the corner total way 3+1 sub
 

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If you're not worried about bass performance, a 2-way may sound as good as a compact 3-way that features relatively small bass drivers.

If you want anything like a full-range response with effective bass, then a 3-way is needed, but not any 3-way. It needs decent size bass drivers - 10" minimum, or maybe twin 8".

Although I'm not a bass junkie and have some respect for my neighbours, my last several speakers have featured twin 10" drivers (KEF Reference 107), Martin Logan 13A, Avantgarde Duo, etc and my current speakers have twin 12" ones.

If you go for speakers unable to deliver good distortionless and unstrained bass, you will be disappointed - you won't be happy and will start looking towards adding subs. This adds complications and is a fudge best avoided by getting the right speakers for your room (that's the No 1 consideration) and ones able to deliver satisfactory sound without the need for subs or "room correction" DSP - these signal processors can never correct the room, of course!

Others (those with subs in particular) may disagree! ;)
I agree. In my experience if you want really solid bass you need 10" at the minimum. My personal preference is 3-way + 2 subwoofers though :)
 
For me, I expect the extra cost due to the extra components & expertise involved in dividing the sound 3 ways & getting the directivity correct for 3 drivers, etc.
I feel that, just by being a quality 3-way, it should and would cost more. Also, due to the less economies of scale of production.
It will probably cost more buy a substantial amount for similar qualities.
Today the most important criteria when evaluating speakers is, according to Toole, the on-axis amplitude response. Second comes bass extension, and third, maybe, directivity once not too bad (otherwise it could be second).

On bass extension, is 30 better than 40, and by how much, etc. There is no unified, or agreed on metric. Of course there is the Olive ranking, but that‘s taken after the fact. The speaker has to be ready to be evaluated as a whole. Conversely it won‘t help with the design of it. It renders speaker design an iterative process.

Cost would suggest to start with a 2-way. Optimize as such, easy. Then extend the bass, or likewise ask for more output. A more capable bass/mid driver is needed. Get away with same size but more costly motor/surround, triple the cost of the most expensive component in an instant. Or go for two sizes bigger (+6dB) to make a real differences, the enclosure size increases a bit. A matching tweeter would become a challenge, horn? Conflict!

Where‘s the problem? We face unavoidable limits in cone etxcursion especially if the mids are to be played by that same cone. It is halfway mitigated by a more sophisticated driver design or, raising new probs, solved by more cone area.

But there‘s a third alternative, the third way. It would relax the demand on the bass‘es capabilities by a fair bit. You could accept HD, intermodulation in the low mids, if it wouldn’t affect the higher mids also— at least some gets distributed to lower effect on the listening experience. That would allow for the increased excursion needed for bass.

I tested the latter approach.to some success. Expensive, sophisticated bass/mid plus likewise expensive tweeter versus cheap high x-max bass, mid-driver, also cheap, and again a cheap tweeter. The subjective evaluation resulted ‚tie’ as the English may put it. No clear preference for one of them, while the 3-way in total is more practical, easier to live with on a daily basis, more consistent one might say. More undue excitement with the expensive 2-way, when played loud(er). Not too bad, even more hifi-ish, loudspeaker-like, but …

Sidenote: the digi x/over for the 3 was readily at hand, the analog mid/tweet was a breeze to do, extra amplification (Fosi 3) is cost effective. The wide dispersion is inherent to the design, and it came out to be homogeneous except for sharp, hence less disturbing (!!) interference from the enclosure‘s edges.
 
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The fundamental reason is cost. For a 2-way speaker, you can get a very good one for around 10K. The price of a 3-way speaker usually needs to be several times higher. Of course, there are also some high-value-for-money products, with the price only doubling or tripling. Some high-end products even have 4-way or 5-way designs.
 
The fundamental reason is cost. For a 2-way speaker, you can get a very good one for around 10K. The price of a 3-way speaker usually needs to be several times higher. Of course, there are also some high-value-for-money products, with the price only doubling or tripling. Some high-end products even have 4-way or 5-way designs.
I don‘t think so, as I explicated just the post above. Maybe I‘m coming from too far as a DIYer. Actually there‘s no reason for a three-way to be as expensive as you may conclude from the market place. Prices are made up to match narratives (in this case for real). Example given, a two-way asking for 10k is simply hilarious. Where does the notion come from, that a three-way would cost more, or even several times more. I really don‘t get it. Reiterated, the pricing often doesn‘t follow a reasonable rationale except a plain rip-off plan.

Look, the KEF R3 is a three with some quite impressive extras, top notch spin and all. No caveats to speak of. It is like 2,3k a pair.
 
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The fundamental reason is cost. For a 2-way speaker, you can get a very good one for around 10K. The price of a 3-way speaker usually needs to be several times higher. Of course, there are also some high-value-for-money products, with the price only doubling or tripling. Some high-end products even have 4-way or 5-way designs.
I wanted to mention 4-way & more-way designs but they are not what the OP asked about. And, while can be awesome, are deep into the territory of diminishing returns.
Also, pretty good (to me, anyway) sounding 3 ways, were once relatively common, if you stayed away from the mass marketers (as were a plethora of not so good ones [but that was also true of all types of speakers]).
 
Triaxial on top 15 on bottom both BMS drivers with a sub the white one in the corner total way 3+1 sub
It better sound good, as for both my wife & myself: It sure is hard on the eyes.
And that is the other factor:
design acceptance within the décor.
 
I don‘t think so, as I explicated just the post above. Maybe I‘m coming from too far as a DIYer. Actually there‘s no reason for a three-way to be as expensive as you may conclude from the market place. Prices are made up to match narratives (in this case for real). Example given, a two-way asking for 10k is simply hilarious. Where does the notion come from, that a three-way would cost more, or even several times more. I really don‘t get it. Reiterated, the pricing often doesn‘t follow a reasonable rationale except a plain rip-off plan.

Look, the KEF R3 is a three with some quite impressive extras, top notch spin and all. No caveats to speak of. It is like 2,3k a pair.
What I mean is that you can get very good two-way speakers, not just the measurement data, but also the listening experience and design, etc. You can also spend 10K on a three-way speaker, and it will definitely not be much better than a two-way speaker at the same price.

Of course, 1K can also buy good two-way speakers, and the same goes for three-way speakers - the effect of buying a 1K three-way speaker will definitely not be much better.
 
What I mean is that you can get very good two-way speakers, not just the measurement data, but also the listening experience and design, etc. You can also spend 10K on a three-way speaker, and it will definitely not be much better than a two-way speaker at the same price.

Of course, 1K can also buy good two-way speakers, and the same goes for three-way speakers - the effect of buying a 1K three-way speaker will definitely not be much better.
This is somewhat similar to the story of "Tian Ji's Horse Racing", which is an ancient Chinese anecdote.
If your budget is between 5K and 10K, the probability of buying a two-way frequency division speaker that is incorrect is almost zero. A pair of two-way frequency division speakers priced at several thousand would have been eliminated as junk long ago.

But if you buy a three-way frequency division speaker for 5K, you have a high chance of getting a junk product. You might need to do some careful research. The price range of three-way frequency division speakers can be from 1K to 100k, and there are even no suitable reference opinions within this range.
 
What I mean is that you can get very good two-way speakers, not just the measurement data, but also the listening experience and design, etc. You can also spend 10K on a three-way speaker, and it will definitely not be much better than a two-way speaker at the same price.

Of course, 1K can also buy good two-way speakers, and the same goes for three-way speakers - the effect of buying a 1K three-way speaker will definitely not be much better.
I‘m afraid I can‘t get around to attribute your view to a distorted price management that has established itself for too long now. It’s not just your posts. Someone else says, 5k for a three-way was guaranteed to fail and so forth, while we have the Neumann 410, some as good as it gets specimen. Again, narratives from a strange culture (where this term makes sense, eventually).

Go ahead, I don‘t get it anyway
 
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... Neumann 410 ...
Neumann KH420 (5,2k each)

[see review index]

or its way smaller, and less capable sibling

Neumann KH310A (2,2k each)

[see review index again]

Now some may say, their fridge looks nicer. Well, speaking of appreciation, an icon doesn't have to please the eye, but the soul ;-)
 
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;) The matrix enclosure and the stiffness of the B&W drivers can take 1000 watts of peak power compared to the paper dual 15 inch massive JBL bass drivers use. So, The JBL can produce more bass true but B&W can do much more controlled bass. This is why simply no new designs use 15 inch woofers any more and not paper anymore.

The JBL will excel in being very musical. Male vocal will sound nice.

I don't follow your logic here. There's nothing wrong with a paper driver, and a large driver isn't inherently "more difficult to control" than a smaller driver.

The bolded statement above is not true either.
 
3-way with subwoofers :)

I have KRK Rokit 10-3 3-way powered monitors which have 10" woofers. I'm absolutely in love with them. The bass is great and I thought they didn't need a subwoofer. But then I tried adding a 15" subwoofer to them and realized I'd had been wrong. Now I got myself two 18" subwoofers and I regret not getting subwoofers 10 years ago together with the speakers.
This is my DIY speakers. 3 / 4 way they sounds OK.
 

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I don't follow your logic here. There's nothing wrong with a paper driver, and a large driver isn't inherently "more difficult to control" than a smaller driver.

The bolded statement above is not true either.
I respect your openion as I suggest you explore further speaker drivers size and material design for batter durability and control. This is why today best reference speakers use more rigid material that is way more durable and smaller sizes offering suppoerior control and efficiency.

So using more drivers of smaller size is just more advantages but the catch is you need more drivers. It is about the surface area of the driver. Two 8 inch drivers are equivalent to a single 12 inch drivers. To match 1 15 inch driver you need 4 8 inch drivers. Companies today do not go bigger for best performance. They usse 6 to 10 inches. Check the image.
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A designer can do anything as far as we know the design objectives. A large driver has its advantages as if you want to experience good enough bass without being able to put 4 drivers of smaller sizes then it can be the way to go. A dual 15 inch speaker will rock your room in a way that is hard to be matched but when it comes to accuracy and speed you will have compromises here. So buy what you enjoy and like. Nothing is wrong here.
 
I respect your openion as I suggest you explore further speaker drivers size and material design for batter durability and control. This is why today best reference speakers use more rigid material that is way more durable and smaller sizes offering suppoerior control and efficiency.

So using more drivers of smaller size is just more advantages but the catch is you need more drivers. It is about the surface area of the driver. Two 8 inch drivers are equivalent to a single 12 inch drivers. To match 1 15 inch driver you need 4 8 inch drivers. Companies today do not go bigger for best performance. They usse 6 to 10 inches. Check the image. View attachment 476345
And why a lot of women I have asked (personal experience, YMMV) don't like them, their height dominates the room.
 
I respect your openion as I suggest you explore further speaker drivers size and material design for batter durability and control. This is why today best reference speakers use more rigid material that is way more durable and smaller sizes offering suppoerior control and efficiency.

You present this as fact, while it is only your opinion. I have actually spent quite some time the last few years to explore driver sizes and materials. There's no blanket "better", it all depends on the use case. One of our systems that I absolutely consider to be reference use as 12" paper driver. It doesn't lack anything in control or efficiency, quite the contrary.

So using more drivers of smaller size is just more advantages but the catch is you need more drivers. It is about the surface area of the driver. Two 8 inch drivers are equivalent to a single 12 inch drivers. To match 1 15 inch driver you need 4 8 inch drivers. Companies today do not go bigger for best performance. They usse 6 to 10 inches. Check the image.

I suggest the reason is not because multiple small drivers is inherently better, but rather because narrow baffles are preferred by many customers.
 
... speaker drivers size and material design for ... control. This is why today best reference speakers use more rigid material that is way more durable and smaller sizes offering suppoerior control and efficiency.
Presumably you are not so much into speaker design. Actually, what I missed to do forever is to compare a soft cone (unfilled poly) with a hard cone (metal, hexa, etc) in terms of compression, intermodulation. But would it have been worthwhile? In case I didn't find a significant difference, would the myth fade into oblivion?

How would you measure or otherwise identify 'control'? Of course I've got a vague idea what you mean, but could we 'operationalize' the term, so that we confirm a common understanding, if only to assure that we are not talking past each other?

Not the least, the topic was on 3- versus 2-way, like "Can 2-way speakers have amazing and reference sound and make me feel they don't need a 3rd driver?"

I answered the question above above *g*. Yes they can. It demands you to sit in a certain position and stay there, and cost (not speaking of 10k, but more in the 100s) and size shouldn't be of deeper concern. Otherwise, when asking for more output and a certain (wide) directivity a third driver will be unavoidable.
 
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