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3 way active with real punch.. which way would you go.? Pro driver or .?

I'm very impressed by Audiohorn's approach to horn design, though I'm still plowing through this. https://audiohorn.net/sciences/critical-distance/

Meanwhile, what are the criteria for choosing between the X-40 horn and the biradial horn?

Audiohorn recommends specific drivers to use with these horns. For Biradial: 18Sound ND3T-16, Faital HF144, (JBL 2450SL (virtual uobtainium)
For X-40: 18Sound ND3N, FaitalPRO HF1440/1460, 18Sound 4015, (JBL 2450SL (virtual uobtainium)

But might either of these drivers work well with one or both of those horns? https://www.usspeaker.com/radian 745neoBepb-1.htm
https://www.usspeaker.com/radian 760neoBepb-1.htm

Any issues with their phase plug or diaphragm design or crossover frequencies?

My midwoofers are these which Troy Crowe tested.

 
I'm very impressed by Audiohorn's approach to horn design, though I'm still plowing through this. https://audiohorn.net/sciences/critical-distance/

Meanwhile, what are the criteria for choosing between the X-40 horn and the biradial horn?

Audiohorn recommends specific drivers to use with these horns. For Biradial: 18Sound ND3T-16, Faital HF144, (JBL 2450SL (virtual uobtainium)
For X-40: 18Sound ND3N, FaitalPRO HF1440/1460, 18Sound 4015, (JBL 2450SL (virtual uobtainium)

But might either of these drivers work well with one or both of those horns? https://www.usspeaker.com/radian 745neoBepb-1.htm
https://www.usspeaker.com/radian 760neoBepb-1.htm

Any issues with their phase plug or diaphragm design or crossover frequencies?

My midwoofers are these which Troy Crowe tested.

Can't resist; the driver shows the typical problem with the surround at about 600Hz:

On the horn drivers i would suggest that all modern-ish types will provide a plane wavefront, which is what AudioHorns wants.
 
Can't resist; the driver shows the typical problem with the surround at about 600Hz:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0..._95dB_50Hz_and_above_480x480.png?v=1695411148 [/QUOTE]

How audible might the IM distortion be at 600Hz at ~ 75 to 80db from 11 ft?

On the horn drivers i would suggest that all modern-ish types will provide a plane wavefront, which is what AudioHorns wants.
My knowledge is limited which is why Troy Crowe is using some of the parts I have to build speakers, though I am open to using other parts. But what do you mean by a "plane wavefront"?

Why do Audiohorns require this? And why wouldn't the Radian 745neoBe driver be unable to provide it?
 
How audible might the IM distortion be at 600Hz at ~ 75 to 80db from 11 ft?
Not much, don't worry. It was that it just reminded me that the surround is a forgotten problem, that Purify solved with a presumably ugly shape ;-)

On plane wavefront, that is simply how horns work. It is the expected interconnect between horn designers and driver designers. Most probably the Radians do the best they can to some success, as said. A test will tell.
 
Thanks, as I was worried because if I don't used these midwoofers with one of those two Audiohorns I will be using it with this combo:
https://josephcrowe.com/products/3d-cad-files-horn-no-1994-es450-biradial-for-jbl-2446-2-throat
16 ohm version of this midrange https://bcspeakers.com/en/products/hf-driver/archive/2/8/DCM50
which was tested here. https://josephcrowe.com/blogs/news/es-450-biradial-no-2143?_pos=6&_sid=f5deb566e&_ss=r
And this tweeter. https://josephcrowe.com/products/3d...-for-fostex-t925a?_pos=3&_sid=adb9fa53f&_ss=r

Actually, during our diyAudio.com chats, Nicolas pointed out the Altec 416-8B's distortion, though I think it was 3rd harmonic not the IM.

He said this active filter would fix it. https://audiohorn.net/sciences/speaker-break-up/
It's a combo passive + active, from that article. The breakup generates H3 distortion (1800/3 ->600hz in your case). It solves with back electromotive force.

But the above Joseph Crowe horn combo and my midwoofers would be used with the passive crossovers he builds for them, at least for several months.

This week was my first attempt at learning DSP software to design crossovers for biamping speakers using either of these horns. https://audiohorn.net/x-shape-horn/
https://audiohorn.net/next-gen-bi-radial-horn/

I got through these two sessions with understanding at least 80% of what was discussed.


What's also cool is that since all of my audio sources are outputted via USB I can learn how to use Audio Weaver to improve performance of the passive crossovers of my existing speakers.

So for biamping my main speakers and for integrating my four subs https://www.rythmikaudio.com/F12.html I've narrowed the processor down to the DSP-Nexus or the Merging HAPI. The former is likely way more home user friendly; no wonder it was a hit at the Axpona show.

But my chief concern is sound quality, or perhaps more precisely sound signature. The DSP-Nexus uses the AKM 4495 DAC. Danville's Al Clark said "If we thought there were better DACs, we would use them instead." https://danvillesignal.com/dspnexus-dsp-audio-processor , assuming Burr-Brown (TI) or other Analog Devices DAC chips were considered.

But what of AKM "Velvet Sound" DACs”? https://velvetsound.akm.com/us/en/ compare to standalone DACs you may have heard? Might it be akin to the sound of the Tripathi Class-T amp? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class-T_amplifier

I remember Pano saying that he used to sell those chip amps at audio shows and where people hearing them would end up loving them as much or more than their 300B SET amps. https://www.diyaudio.com/community/t...1#post-7666758

While impressive, wouldn't a more "neutral" sounding DAC be preferable for a DSP processor?

My only experience with AKM DACs is the AK4490EQ in my Pioneer LX500 BD player. And perhaps like a 300B tube amp I think it sort of does have a kind of relaxed sound compared to the more neutral sounding ESS SABRE32 ES9018 DAC in my Oppo BDP95 BD player.

Another great thread. https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/dsp-active-crossover I see Danville’s Dan Clark and lewinskiho1 from
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...eh-synergy-project.409866/page-7#post-7663781

ricevs mentions that some miniDSP models have digital outputs so you could use your own DAC. But if one has an expensive DAC (e.g. Halo May DAC) you would need to buy a second one for speaker biamping. And even then they would have to be super accurately clocked together. Doesn’t seem like an attractive solution.

Otherwise, perhaps the best alternative might be the Merging HAPI using Audio Weaver for all DSP solutions for speakers and subwoofers?
 
... Nicolas pointed out the Altec 416-8B's distortion, though I think it was 3rd harmonic not the IM.
All your future plans are obviously beyond my paygrade, so I'm going to comment on only a few points.

It is the IM, that doesn't have to do with cone breakup at 1.8k which latter gives rise to 3rd harmonic.

He said this active filter would fix it. https://audiohorn.net/sciences/speaker-break-up/
Nope.

It's a combo passive + active, from that article. The breakup generates H3 distortion (1800/3 ->600hz in your case). It solves with back electromotive force.
His explanations are a bit misleading. He conveys, that the cone's movement would generate a back e/m force etc. That is not the point. Purify issued a little paper on the topic also. Still the cone breakup amplifies the radiation of distortion components generated in the motor. That makes it stand out in the plots. But the e/m force is generated when playing the 600Hz. Necessarily the 1.8kHz component has to run a current through the motor to drive the cone at that frequency. Prevent the current, blocked by the air coil, and the drive is gone, and so the distortion.

But the above Joseph Crowe horn combo ...
As said, that's all well above my budget, hence I cannot comment due to lacking experience.
 
AudioHorn doesn't require specific drivers, but recommends a few that have been thoroughly tested and are top-tier performers.

All compression drivers, without exception, provide a plane wavefront—except, of course, in their breakup region. Without plane wavefront the horn' profile is not respected/followed.

Back EMF has been well understood for quite some time. Your woofer doesn't need to "pass" through the breakup range for it to become relevant. For example, a 500 Hz third harmonic distortion (H3) creates a mechanical component at 1500 Hz—even if you're filtering at 600 Hz. That's why increasing the impedance at 1500 Hz to block this unwanted energy works so effectively.

So yes, in active filtering setups, using an air-core inductor or a notch filter for breackup back EMF traitement —as described in the article—can be very effective.
 
B&C 12NBX100, Eminence 3012LF. The latter has a 3" voice (instead of 4") and no shorting rings, but the designer (Jerry McNutt of Eminence) did a superb job with the motor geometry, and imo this very reasonably-priced woofer punches well above its weight class.
Appreciated, sir. The 3012LF looks pretty perfect in a ~1ft^3 sealed box. The idea is to use a pair crossed (actively) between a single *sub* woofer (<80Hz) and the mains (>300Hz). Thinking of placing one below each main.
Thanks again for the 3012LF recommendation, Duke. I wound up doing exactly this under my Revel M106 and am happy with the way they're performing.

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Thanks again for the 3012LF recommendation, Duke. I wound up doing exactly this under my Revel M106 and am happy with the way they're performing.

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Very nice! Thanks for letting me know. I've used the Eminence 3012LF in multiple home audio speakers as well as multiple bass guitar speakers.

What is the finish on the enclosure for the 3012LF, if you don't mind?

If you want to hide the bright unfinished metal around the perimeter of the 3012LF's frame, two coats with a black Sharpie works great. Might have to remove the woofers to do so.
 
Very nice! Thanks for letting me know. I've used the Eminence 3012LF in multiple home audio speakers as well as multiple bass guitar speakers.

What is the finish on the enclosure for the 3012LF, if you don't mind?

If you want to hide the bright unfinished metal around the perimeter of the 3012LF's frame, two coats with a black Sharpie works great. Might have to remove the woofers to do so.
Thanks, and I appreciate the Sharpie tip!

The finish is DuraTex roller grade applied with their 3" textured roller. First time I've used it but won't be the last - very easy to apply and clean up. The color/texture match with the 3012LF front gasket is purely coincidental. :)
 
I advise against a two-way, especially against a rebuild of the 'legacy oriented' M2. An additional cross over point somewhere around 200..300Hz will allow for a 12" bass driver, especially when considering the moderate listening distance. The midrange could be a 6" to 8" Celestion. I've seen quite promising data. On top I suggest a waveguided hifi-tweeter or a coaxial, e/g Kartesian (https://www.kartesian-acoustic.com/product/cox165_vpa, I had it and it was quite good for the job). All that could be packed into 100cm x 35cm x 35cm, port tuned not higher than 35Hz with at least 10cm port diameter. Consider to cross over the easier parts passive cap/coil, e/g the coax, or mid/waveguide to spare otherwise wasted power.
Ever get the chance to hear those M2 speakers? If yes, please describe all the subjective aspects of the sound, especially of the highs and midrange.

The M2 waveguide https://reconingspeakers.com/product/jbl-m2-horn-lens-5025594/, was recommended as having good vertical and horizontal coverage, presumably better than the JBL 2384. https://www.whatsbestforum.com/thre...ons-for-main-horn-speakers.39247/post-1073838

Plus, the M2 has those anti-diffraction "beaks" at the center.

But how would you rate the X & Y directivity of the M2 above 500Hz from the polar plots shown here?
https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/jbl_m2/


John van Ommen uses the same D2 driver. My budget is healthy, and this driver is quite affordable.
https://reconingspeakers.com/product/jbl-5020810x-d2415k-high-frequency-driver-d2/

But might there be better HF and MF performance from this beryllium driver?

It would be crossed to my midwoofers, but hopefully low enough to get them out of their higher IM distortion range; please see measurements.

Or would the two diaphragm D2 driver have far better midrange performance?

Either way, Robh3606 low diffraction cabinets for the M2 mirror those for my midwoofers; clones of Gary Dahl's.
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/first-trials-of-active-horn-speaker.28267/post-644964

Why exactly do you advise building a three way when the original M2 speaker that Erin reviewed is a two-way?

But if a three way is best, I thought of this driver.
https://bcspeakers.com/en/products/hf-driver/archive/2/8/DCM50

The DCM50 is an often praised 2" midrange driver and crossing it low enough should keep my midwoofers out of their higher IM distortion range.
https://josephcrowe.com/blogs/news/altec-416-8b-in-100l-sealed

But what horn for that midrange driver? Klipsch K510? If yes, would it's vertical and horizontal coverage patterns closely match those of the JBL M2?

I would appreciate your thoughts on this plan.
 
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Ever get the chance to hear those M2 speakers?
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I would appreciate your thoughts on this plan.
Tl;dR - sorry. From my experience with a 'might-be-alike' M2 clone was that a three-way felt better. Exactly like that, it was more a feel than a conclusion. The true M2, objectively, shows a flaw in the mids, originating in the bass driver, accompanied by the typical crossover issues. My sample of a bass/mid + horn wasn't affected by those problems, but still, going three-way made me feel like the (overly?) transparent mid/treble was extended down to the lower mids.

Not to forget, the tight radiation pattern you get w/ horns always (mind the vertical) might be an issue in small rooms when listening from greater distance, darkening the sound a bit. Sounds odd, but so it goes.
 
Ever get the chance to hear those M2 speakers? If yes, please describe all the subjective aspects of the sound, especially of the highs and midrange.

The M2 waveguide https://reconingspeakers.com/product/jbl-m2-horn-lens-5025594/, was recommended as having good vertical and horizontal coverage, presumably better than the JBL 2384. https://www.whatsbestforum.com/thre...ons-for-main-horn-speakers.39247/post-1073838

Plus, the M2 has those anti-diffraction "beaks" at the center.

But how would you rate the X & Y directivity of the M2 above 500Hz from the polar plots shown here?
https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/jbl_m2/


John van Ommen uses the same D2 driver. My budget is healthy, and this driver is quite affordable.
https://reconingspeakers.com/product/jbl-5020810x-d2415k-high-frequency-driver-d2/

But might there be better HF and MF performance from this beryllium driver?

It would be crossed to my midwoofers, but hopefully low enough to get them out of their higher IM distortion range; please see measurements.

Or would the two diaphragm D2 driver have far better midrange performance?

Either way, Robh3606 low diffraction cabinets for the M2 mirror those for my midwoofers; clones of Gary Dahl's.
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/first-trials-of-active-horn-speaker.28267/post-644964

Why exactly do you advise building a three way when the original M2 speaker that Erin reviewed is a two-way?

But if a three way is best, I thought of this driver.
https://bcspeakers.com/en/products/hf-driver/archive/2/8/DCM50

The DCM50 is an often praised 2" midrange driver and crossing it low enough should keep my midwoofers out of their higher IM distortion range.
https://josephcrowe.com/blogs/news/altec-416-8b-in-100l-sealed

But what horn for that midrange driver? Klipsch K510? If yes, would it's vertical and horizontal coverage patterns closely match those of the JBL M2?

I would appreciate your thoughts on this plan.

Don’t read too much into what people say about the M2 horn on forums. It’s not an anti-diffraction “beak.” John is nice in his investigations, but he previously described it as a diagonal pinch, etc...
No offense, but that’s not how an average horn profile works. If JBL designed the M2 throat that way, it’s just to make molding it in one piece easier, it's an industrialization process. It introduces some behavior in the horn’s high-frequency response, the M2’s high-frequency polar patterns aren’t great IMHO on top of the range (and have mid-range narrowing in mid-range so...). Compare it with an X-Shape X40 for reference.

These types of horns (and pinch btw) are greatly misunderstood. It’s essential to understand and experiment with wavefront propagation (and loading) in physics, math (if used) is a tool on the way of the process, not an end in itself, physics is.

There is also a common misuse of the term diffraction. Scientifically, diffraction refers to the bending or spreading of a wave around obstacles or through openings. What we often mean in horn design is the ability of the wavefront to follow the horn profile without excessive beaming. When the wavefront is no longer properly guided, the sound starts to beam. People sometimes misuse the term by “inverting” its meaning, but it’s not a serious problem.

In a word, all horns utilize diffraction in its proper physical sense, not in the sense implied by the common misuse of the term.

The point of these horns family is to be full-range and load in a rectangular shape (there is a reasons why it's not very adapted to round horn).

Ideally, use a 1.4" compression driver with a professional 15" woofer (e.g., 18Sound 15NTLW3500), and cross over at the frequency where the directivity matches, around 750 Hz, as JBL does in modern designs, not a problem even for old ones as JBL 2226H.

Good capacities mid-range for compression driver is not so hard nowadays but if you want a not to expensive and very-good components, it's the 18Sound 1460 (no need of "N" diapragm). You can also use a Faital HF1440 and his annular diaphragm but not in night club with high SPL, annular diaphragm have less radiating surface, it's one of the reasons there is two of them in the D2, annular diaphragms have H2 rising faster in the low end because H2 is mainly related to excursion (and also compliance geometry).
But annular diaphragms have very low H3, due to the “donut” diaphragm shape and the effect of this shape on breakup.

The best 3 way speaker I ear in NY by far : X-Shape X40 + 18Sound 1460 + 18Sound15NTLW3500 + 18NLS4000 with NCore 500 and miniDSP FlexHTx --- 750hz and 80hz crossover, the S4000 can go upper, if close to the speaker as in a 3way, 150/200hz is possible, it have been measured.
 
Not personally but a friend yes :
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Temporal problem below 10khz and H3 (yellow) rise bellow 1khz, it's not very good, avoid this compression (1.5 or 2" version, it's the same), same for DE250 and other "forum" compression, best one are in fact:

- 1": BMS 5530 (annular dia, careful of H2 in low end for very high SPL, H3 perfect) and 18Sound 1090/1095, the more interesting is the 1090

- 1.4": 18Sound 1460/1480 (no N) and Faital 1440 (not the Faital 1460, Carbon is for now not very interesting, it block the dia to goes low as the surround is also in carbon, bad idea)

- 1.5" : JBL 2450SL (or just remove the build in adapter of regular 2450) with aquaplas dia (dark colored one, it damp the breakup) , 18Sound 4015TI2 for not used option

- 2": forget it, throat resonances and harder to push the HF control high comparing to 1.4", it's an historical choice made because we wasn't able to simulate impedance in phase plug before ~2007/2010, now, thanks to FEA, we can have a way bigger compression ration (size of the dia comparing to the exit one), it have change everything.

B&C is generally not the best in compression, Beyma not very better, BMS and 18Sound are the leader by far.

In 1.5 if you want to reach 420/450hz take a 2450SL as described (but the horn... ^^), other wise a 18S 1460 at 750hz, and for 1" an 18S 1090 that is good everywhere (tests on my website for these ones).

I haven't tested the RCF ND950: 1.4" exit with 4" diaphragm, it's interesting, RCF usually are good for the price (ND350) even is BMS and 18S still beat them.
 
BMS and 18Sound are the leader by far.
I'm a bit surprised about this statement, because BMS has some patents on the ring technology in compression drivers and I understood you to say that you don't prefer the ring design.

18sound now belongs to B&C, is there no technology transfer?
The new B&C designs look very competently made to me.
 
The ring diaphragm design offers an advantage in reducing H3, but it has a smaller radiating surface compared to a plain diaphragm. This means it must move more for the same SPL, which adds more H2. It’s not a big issue, but at very high SPL it becomes something to consider, the Honey Bar in Brooklyn first use HF1440, they burn it (well there was a mistake in power compressor too ^^). This isn’t about patents, it’s simply physics.

There’s no technology transfer between B&C and 18Sound (I know 18S very well); they actually have opposite design philosophies. This was clear in their joint interview on YouTube: B&C accepts the breakup behavior, believing that many listeners actually want that character (they literally said so in the interview). Meanwhile, 18Sound aims for technically perfect compression drivers.

This different of philosophy is very important to note, you can see it here :

I’m not against annular diaphragms. For polar response, they are the best, since they exhibit almost no breakup and produce a near-perfect plane wave at high frequencies, they match FEA simulation almost perfectly (especially the 5530). My own drivers are:
  • BMS 5530 / 18Sound 1090
  • JBL 2450SL / 18Sound 1460/80 / HF1440
I just recognize when one type is better suited than another. “High-end” doesn’t mean buying the most expensive driver, it means choosing the one best adapted to the application and the need, not following hype or fashion.

Moreover, psychoacoustics shows that aiming for perfectly constant directivity at very high frequencies isn’t very useful, since in most drivers the wavefront is already strongly disturbed by diaphragm breakup. Directing too much energy into that very high frequency will also even reduce the on-axis HF response, as some of the energy is redistributed off-axis. In practice, this is why plain diaphragms are often prioritized over annular designs.

B&C are good in 8" for ex, the new compression driver, not so much.

I can give you another example: the phase plug of the ND3 is more modern than that of the 1460/80 in the 18S lineup, but in practice it doesn’t make a huge difference. Since the ND3 is smaller than the 1460/80 (designed to be stacked in groups of three in line array lenses), its rear chamber and overall design are different. As a result, the “older” 1460/80 extends lower with less distortion. For our applications, we therefore choose the 1460, whereas in line arrays—where it is crossed higher—the ND3 is preferred. I know both professionals and DIYers who have switched from the newer ND3 to the 1460/80 for this reason.

Forget the hype and take what is the more adapted to your needs, generally it also help to save money.

Edit: About patents: 90% of them are almost meaningless. They mainly exist to communication, marketing, inflate shareholder value, facilitate resale, or give lawyers grounds to attack other companies. Of course, there’s still that remaining 10% that truly matter.

For B&C I think you speak about the HEX Phase Plug :

BC-PP.jpg

It's a way to facilitate impedance match between path, it's very related to facilitate conception but a complex or helical phase plug could make the sound travel a longer path, causing slight viscous and thermal losses.

I made it for tweeter with the same result of a regular phase plug, it's interesting yes, but don't really change something for the end user.

For JBL it's the last ring phase plug iteration, that BMS doesn't have:
JBL-2408H2-2.jpg
JBL-2408H2.jpg

In practice the diaphragm remaining the same, the H2 problem remains due to ring diaphragm lack of surface, but it's a good evolution too.

For Celestion you can look the Corrugation, it aims to create a cylinder wavefront (so not for our use case) in line array, in a way it's a derivative of HEX :
 
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The ring diaphragm design offers an advantage in reducing H3, but it has a smaller radiating surface compared to a plain diaphragm. This means it must move more for the same SPL, which adds more H2. It’s not a big issue, but at very high SPL it becomes something to consider, the Honey Bar in Brooklyn first use HF1440, they burn it (well there was a mistake in power compressor too ^^). This isn’t about patents, it’s simply physics.

There’s no technology transfer between B&C and 18Sound (I know 18S very well); they actually have opposite design philosophies. This was clear in their joint interview on YouTube: B&C accepts the breakup behavior, believing that many listeners actually want that character (they literally said so in the interview). Meanwhile, 18Sound aims for technically perfect compression drivers.

This different of philosophy is very important to note, you can see it here :

I’m not against annular diaphragms. For polar response, they are the best, since they exhibit almost no breakup and produce a near-perfect plane wave at high frequencies, they match FEA simulation almost perfectly (especially the 5530). My own drivers are:
  • BMS 5530 / 18Sound 1090
  • JBL 2450SL / 18Sound 1460/80 / HF1440
I just recognize when one type is better suited than another. “High-end” doesn’t mean buying the most expensive driver, it means choosing the one best adapted to the application and the need, not following hype or fashion.

Moreover, psychoacoustics shows that aiming for perfectly constant directivity at very high frequencies isn’t very useful, since in most drivers the wavefront is already strongly disturbed by diaphragm breakup. Directing too much energy into that very high frequency will also even reduce the on-axis HF response, as some of the energy is redistributed off-axis. In practice, this is why plain diaphragms are often prioritized over annular designs.

B&C are good in 8" for ex, the new compression driver, not so much.

I can give you another example: the phase plug of the ND3 is more modern than that of the 1460/80 in the 18S lineup, but in practice it doesn’t make a huge difference. Since the ND3 is smaller than the 1460/80 (designed to be stacked in groups of three in line array lenses), its rear chamber and overall design are different. As a result, the “older” 1460/80 extends lower with less distortion. For our applications, we therefore choose the 1460, whereas in line arrays—where it is crossed higher—the ND3 is preferred. I know both professionals and DIYers who have switched from the newer ND3 to the 1460/80 for this reason.

Forget the hype and take what is the more adapted to your needs, generally it also help to save money.

Edit: About patents: 90% of them are almost meaningless. They mainly exist to communication, marketing, inflate shareholder value, facilitate resale, or give lawyers grounds to attack other companies. Of course, there’s still that remaining 10% that truly matter.

For B&C I think you speak about the HEX Phase Plug :

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It's a way to facilitate impedance match between path, it's very related to facilitate conception but a complex or helical phase plug could make the sound travel a longer path, causing slight viscous and thermal losses.

I made it for tweeter with the same result of a regular phase plug, it's interesting yes, but don't really change something for the end user.

For JBL it's the last ring phase plug iteration, that BMS doesn't have:
View attachment 475052View attachment 475053
In practice the diaphragm remaining the same, the H2 problem remains due to ring diaphragm lack of surface, but it's a good evolution too.

For Celestion you can look the Corrugation, it aims to create a cylinder wavefront (so not for our use case) in line array, in a way it's a derivative of HEX :
What do you think about the Celestion Axi2050 compression driver to push crossover down toward 250 Hz and keep phase issues simple? Do you know of a horn that works well with this driver?
 
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