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$20-25k budget. Currently eyeing Genelec 8361A, KEF Blade One Meta, and the B&W 801D4.

Oh, forgot to mention these in my previous post. Probably no need for subs if music only system.

 
The first Google Stereophile/Magico hit.
Keith
They do have quite a few models.
I think it is the Magico M2.

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Yeah Magicos don't appear to be awful speakers (although I dunno why they seem to consistently have that massive roll off above 10kHz), but at the prices those sell for there are a lot of options that seem pretty objectively superior... like the KEF Blade, Genelecs, or Revel.
i switched to them for a reason. wana buy my revels cheap? great opportunity.

out of all the speakers posted and in that range below the high end costing magicos, the a5 is a little better then the revels, but the revels will get a teeny bit louder but the highs will just slightly merge but that could be hearing styles.

were those brand new shop demo magicos measured, or were they broken in set. i wonder how much of these tests are on relaxed gear....or just new gear.
 
Since Magico got their NFS I bet the latest models are all good measuring. And drivers and cabinets are second to none. But the price....

 
Since Magico got their NFS I bet the latest models are all good measuring. And drivers and cabinets are second to none. But the price....

you often times get what you pay for. have you ever seen their operation?

@Mathias also something to consider, magico measures the drivers more honestly.
the revel 328be is a great cab but the drivers they claim are 8" are really really closer to 6 inch.
if you are gonna spend money and want to be close to measurement size and pay for your woofer arrangements, its hard to beat companies like magico.
 
Since Magico got their NFS I bet the latest models are all good measuring. And drivers and cabinets are second to none. But the price....

no edge to edge on the drivers they are 6"
 
you often times get what you pay for. have you ever seen their operation?

@Mathias also something to consider, magico measures the drivers more honestly.
the revel 328be is a great cab but the drivers they claim are 8" are really really closer to 6 inch.
On Magico's honesty in the greater scheme of things I cannot comment. But 6 versus 8 is a bit of a difference, maybe 3dB spot-on by the intended design of the size metrics (double the number of drivers to get 6dB, or skip one size tag for same effect, 6 versus 8 is just a half-step), but then again, where's the beef? Three dB on to top of which for the purpose of what in that quality we never had the nerve to define. I think a bit of (friendly, really) sarcasm is in order, regardless of the price limitations that excludes those as an alternative option in the first place.

I think in case we honestly want to help some audio-fellow with this, forgiving though, challenge, we better stick to the pre-selection. Which, except for the B&W is spot on to my taste.
 
On Magico's honesty in the greater scheme of things I cannot comment. But 6 versus 8 is a bit of a difference, maybe 3dB spot-on by the intended design of the size metrics (double the number of drivers to get 6dB, or skip one size tag for same effect, 6 versus 8 is just a half-step), but then again, where's the beef? Three dB on to top of which for the purpose of what in that quality we never had the nerve to define. I think a bit of (friendly, really) sarcasm is in order, regardless of the price limitations that excludes those as an alternative option in the first place.

I think in case we honestly want to help some audio-fellow with this, forgiving though, challenge, we better stick to the pre-selection. Which, except for the B&W is spot on to my taste.
i have a paid of 328be, and i love them they are absolutely amazing speakers.

the on paper spec is 328be has 3x8" woofers.
on paper magico is claimed to be 3x9" woofers. i think its like closer to 8 in reality as ive seen them but ive never actually measured them and they look larger.
 
i switched to them for a reason. wana buy my revels cheap? great opportunity.

out of all the speakers posted and in that range below the high end costing magicos, the a5 is a little better then the revels, but the revels will get a teeny bit louder but the highs will just slightly merge but that could be hearing styles.

were those brand new shop demo magicos measured, or were they broken in set. i wonder how much of these tests are on relaxed gear....or just new gear.
Broken in? You might be in the wrong forum :facepalm:
 
Broken in? You might be in the wrong forum :facepalm:
you think a speaker sounds best brand new vs having numerous hours worked into it?
take your semantics and unprofessional conduct elsewhere.
 
i have a paid of 328be, and i love them they are absolutely amazing speakers.

the on paper spec is 328be has 3x8" woofers.
on paper magico is claimed to be 3x9" woofers. i think its like closer to 8 in reality as ive seen them but ive never actually measured them and they look larger.
How are you measuring the woofer diameter, exactly? My understanding is that the quoted diameter is typically of the outside basket diameter, not the visible part of the driver.
 
you think a speaker sounds best brand new vs having numerous hours worked into it?
take your semantics and unprofessional conduct elsewhere.
It's not semantics. It's a fact that speakers do not change their response much, if at all, due to "break-in". It's an audiophile myth. And even if were a thing, that would be something the manufacturer should do if their speaker needs it to sound how it's supposed to.
 
How are you measuring the woofer diameter, exactly? My understanding is that the quoted diameter is typically of the outside basket diameter, not the visible part of the driver.
i mean even edge to edge outside rubber maybe 8" or right under it
 
It's not semantics. It's a fact that speakers do not change their response much, if at all, due to "break-in". It's an audiophile myth. And even if were a thing, that would be something the manufacturer should do if their speaker needs it to sound how it's supposed to.
i would disagree with you, there are moving components, basket suspensions, all materials will relax further after considerable use.
 
i would disagree with you, there are moving components, basket suspensions, all materials will relax further after considerable use.
So at what point will my speakers sound their best? At the point of fully being relaxed, ie, close to disintegration, or earlier?
 
i would disagree with you, there are moving components, basket suspensions, all materials will relax further after considerable use.


Only 85 pages to get up to date on the topic ;)
 
i would disagree with you, there are moving components, basket suspensions, all materials will relax further after considerable use.
Actually no.

Start with Toole:
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Also, specific measurements.
and
Small room temperature changes are much larger than any break-in phenomenon. :cool:
Voice coil temperature from operation is an order of magnitude larger impact.

Also, Andrew Jones explains:

I have many more measurements of the so-called speaker break-in phenomenon. Appeals to reason don't work. It does actually happen, it happens in the first few moments of operation, and it is so small and inaudible it shouldn't be seriously considered as a sonic impact. If so, we must also consider the much larger effect of room temperature.
 
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