$20-25k budget. Currently eyeing Genelec 8361A, KEF Blade One Meta, and the B&W 801D4.

[Oddball]

Oh, forgot to mention these in my previous post. Probably no need for subs if music only system.

RBH Sound SVTR Tower Reference Speaker Review

RBH's SVTR Tower combines the SV-831R reference grade monitor and SV-1212NR subwoofer to produce the ultimate tower speaker with mind-blowing performance. Could this be RBH's best tower yet? Read on.

www.audioholics.com

 

[Old_School_Brad]

The first Google Stereophile/Magico hit.
Keith

They do have quite a few models.
I think it is the Magico M2.

Magico M2 loudspeaker Measurements

Sidebar 3: Measurements

www.stereophile.com

 

[genesisaudiorack]

Yeah Magicos don't appear to be awful speakers (although I dunno why they seem to consistently have that massive roll off above 10kHz), but at the prices those sell for there are a lot of options that seem pretty objectively superior... like the KEF Blade, Genelecs, or Revel.

i switched to them for a reason. wana buy my revels cheap? great opportunity.

out of all the speakers posted and in that range below the high end costing magicos, the a5 is a little better then the revels, but the revels will get a teeny bit louder but the highs will just slightly merge but that could be hearing styles.

were those brand new shop demo magicos measured, or were they broken in set. i wonder how much of these tests are on relaxed gear....or just new gear.

 

[Matias]

Since Magico got their NFS I bet the latest models are all good measuring. And drivers and cabinets are second to none. But the price....

Magico A5 spinorama (CEA2034)

This is the first time I remember seeing a spin from any Magico speaker in Klippel NFS. I am glad the company is providing it to reviews, but I wish they uploaded them to their website for all models as well. Behold the flagship floorstanding speaker from their entry level A series published by...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[genesisaudiorack]

Since Magico got their NFS I bet the latest models are all good measuring. And drivers and cabinets are second to none. But the price....

Magico A5 spinorama (CEA2034)

This is the first time I remember seeing a spin from any Magico speaker in Klippel NFS. I am glad the company is providing it to reviews, but I wish they uploaded them to their website for all models as well. Behold the flagship floorstanding speaker from their entry level A series published by...

www.audiosciencereview.com

you often times get what you pay for. have you ever seen their operation?

@Mathias also something to consider, magico measures the drivers more honestly.
the revel 328be is a great cab but the drivers they claim are 8" are really really closer to 6 inch.
if you are gonna spend money and want to be close to measurement size and pay for your woofer arrangements, its hard to beat companies like magico.

 

[JustJones]

revel 328be is a great cab but the drivers they claim are 8" are really really closer to 6 inch.

The bass drivers aren't 200mm?

 

[genesisaudiorack]

Since Magico got their NFS I bet the latest models are all good measuring. And drivers and cabinets are second to none. But the price....

Magico A5 spinorama (CEA2034)

This is the first time I remember seeing a spin from any Magico speaker in Klippel NFS. I am glad the company is providing it to reviews, but I wish they uploaded them to their website for all models as well. Behold the flagship floorstanding speaker from their entry level A series published by...

www.audiosciencereview.com

no edge to edge on the drivers they are 6"

 

[Heinrich]

you often times get what you pay for. have you ever seen their operation?

@Mathias also something to consider, magico measures the drivers more honestly.
the revel 328be is a great cab but the drivers they claim are 8" are really really closer to 6 inch.

On Magico's honesty in the greater scheme of things I cannot comment. But 6 versus 8 is a bit of a difference, maybe 3dB spot-on by the intended design of the size metrics (double the number of drivers to get 6dB, or skip one size tag for same effect, 6 versus 8 is just a half-step), but then again, where's the beef? Three dB on to top of which for the purpose of what in that quality we never had the nerve to define. I think a bit of (friendly, really) sarcasm is in order, regardless of the price limitations that excludes those as an alternative option in the first place.

I think in case we honestly want to help some audio-fellow with this, forgiving though, challenge, we better stick to the pre-selection. Which, except for the B&W is spot on to my taste.

 

[Matias]

Here is S5 2024.

Measurements for speaker Magico S5 2024

www.spinorama.org

 

[Marc v E]

This thread reads like: "Imagine you won 25,000. Now find a way to spend it. "

My 2 cents: forget about the second hand. Go to a dealer who stocks Kef Blade, d&d c8 and one that stocks genelec. Book a home demo and you'll know what you need to know.

 

[genesisaudiorack]

On Magico's honesty in the greater scheme of things I cannot comment. But 6 versus 8 is a bit of a difference, maybe 3dB spot-on by the intended design of the size metrics (double the number of drivers to get 6dB, or skip one size tag for same effect, 6 versus 8 is just a half-step), but then again, where's the beef? Three dB on to top of which for the purpose of what in that quality we never had the nerve to define. I think a bit of (friendly, really) sarcasm is in order, regardless of the price limitations that excludes those as an alternative option in the first place.

I think in case we honestly want to help some audio-fellow with this, forgiving though, challenge, we better stick to the pre-selection. Which, except for the B&W is spot on to my taste.

i have a paid of 328be, and i love them they are absolutely amazing speakers.

the on paper spec is 328be has 3x8" woofers.
on paper magico is claimed to be 3x9" woofers. i think its like closer to 8 in reality as ive seen them but ive never actually measured them and they look larger.

 

[MKR]

i switched to them for a reason. wana buy my revels cheap? great opportunity.

out of all the speakers posted and in that range below the high end costing magicos, the a5 is a little better then the revels, but the revels will get a teeny bit louder but the highs will just slightly merge but that could be hearing styles.

were those brand new shop demo magicos measured, or were they broken in set. i wonder how much of these tests are on relaxed gear....or just new gear.

Broken in? You might be in the wrong forum

 

[genesisaudiorack]

Broken in? You might be in the wrong forum

you think a speaker sounds best brand new vs having numerous hours worked into it?
take your semantics and unprofessional conduct elsewhere.

 

[kyuu]

i have a paid of 328be, and i love them they are absolutely amazing speakers.

the on paper spec is 328be has 3x8" woofers.
on paper magico is claimed to be 3x9" woofers. i think its like closer to 8 in reality as ive seen them but ive never actually measured them and they look larger.

How are you measuring the woofer diameter, exactly? My understanding is that the quoted diameter is typically of the outside basket diameter, not the visible part of the driver.

 

[kyuu]

you think a speaker sounds best brand new vs having numerous hours worked into it?
take your semantics and unprofessional conduct elsewhere.

It's not semantics. It's a fact that speakers do not change their response much, if at all, due to "break-in". It's an audiophile myth. And even if were a thing, that would be something the manufacturer should do if their speaker needs it to sound how it's supposed to.

 

[genesisaudiorack]

How are you measuring the woofer diameter, exactly? My understanding is that the quoted diameter is typically of the outside basket diameter, not the visible part of the driver.

i mean even edge to edge outside rubber maybe 8" or right under it

 

[genesisaudiorack]

It's not semantics. It's a fact that speakers do not change their response much, if at all, due to "break-in". It's an audiophile myth. And even if were a thing, that would be something the manufacturer should do if their speaker needs it to sound how it's supposed to.

i would disagree with you, there are moving components, basket suspensions, all materials will relax further after considerable use.

 

[caught gesture]

i would disagree with you, there are moving components, basket suspensions, all materials will relax further after considerable use.

So at what point will my speakers sound their best? At the point of fully being relaxed, ie, close to disintegration, or earlier?

 

[Geert]

i would disagree with you, there are moving components, basket suspensions, all materials will relax further after considerable use.

Do Audio Speakers Break-in?

There are a lot of "everybody knows" type of rules in audio with one of them being that audio gear in general, and speakers in the specific, benefit from "break-in." That is, their performance improves after some time. This is mostly touted by audiophiles but manufacturers also fuel this...

www.audiosciencereview.com

Only 85 pages to get up to date on the topic

 

[MAB]

i would disagree with you, there are moving components, basket suspensions, all materials will relax further after considerable use.

Actually no.

Start with Toole:

Also, specific measurements.

Speaker Break-In and Environmental Measurements

The subject of speaker break-in comes up often. It's also called run-in. It's different than aging, or wear-out. I see people posting YouTube videos of woofers being deformed into the shape of a potato-chip, while the 'tuber yells at me to make sure and break in my drivers before ever...

www.audiosciencereview.com

and

Do Audio Speakers Break-in?

I have a brand new woofer that I got as a replacement, the original was defective. The replacement driver has been sitting around un-played. Seems like it is time to see how it changes with 'break-in'. I got a DATS recently, so I'll use that. I did check it against an HP LCR with a bias...

www.audiosciencereview.com

Small room temperature changes are much larger than any break-in phenomenon.
Voice coil temperature from operation is an order of magnitude larger impact.

Also, Andrew Jones explains:

Do Audio Speakers Break-in?

I got a pair of Revel M106s first thing this morning. After I got them set up I listened to a few things and noticed the top end seemed a bit tinny. Odd, I thought. So I looked up 'Revel speaker break-in' and came across this thread, pretty much dismissing the idea. My speakers are probably...

www.audiosciencereview.com

I have many more measurements of the so-called speaker break-in phenomenon. Appeals to reason don't work. It does actually happen, it happens in the first few moments of operation, and it is so small and inaudible it shouldn't be seriously considered as a sonic impact. If so, we must also consider the much larger effect of room temperature.