192k over ethernet

[Chester]

Hi

I have been renovating our home the last couple of years and one of the things I did was run ethernet through the walls and under the floor to the living room, so I can hardwire TV streamers etc. it’s generally fine over wifi but occasionally has trouble. To be honest, I mainly just got carried away with the opportunities a renovation offers, to do things you won’t be able to when it’s all put back together.

Anyway, one thing I wanted to do was have my music streamer (Wiim pro plus usually) in a different room, to minimise the number of boxes and increase the wife’s happiness in how the living room looks. I bought a small pair of boxes from Lindy in a sale, that supposedly took usb input, sent it through a connected ethernet cable and then at the other end, offered up a USB output. It worked but I didn’t realise the box was quite old and is limited bandwidth, meaning it only does 44/48khz. Does anyone know of a box that cost less than a 100 quid that can do 192khz?

Cheers

Chester

 

[Berwhale]

Hi

I have been renovating our home the last couple of years and one of the things I did was run ethernet through the walls and under the floor to the living room, so I can hardwire TV streamers etc. it’s generally fine over wifi but occasionally has trouble. To be honest, I mainly just got carried away with the opportunities a renovation offers, to do things you won’t be able to when it’s all put back together.

Anyway, one thing I wanted to do was have my music streamer (Wiim pro plus usually) in a different room, to minimise the number of boxes and increase the wife’s happiness in how the living room looks. I bought a small pair of boxes from Lindy in a sale, that supposedly took usb input, sent it through a connected ethernet cable and then at the other end, offered up a USB output. It worked but I didn’t realise the box was quite old and is limited bandwidth, meaning it only does 44/48khz. Does anyone know of a box that cost less than a 100 quid that can do 192khz?

Cheers

Chester

A music streamer will have an Ethernet input (if it doesn't have Ethernet or Wi-Fi then it would be a DAC), why are you not using that? What you trying to connect the streamer to via USB?

 

[Chester]

Re-read my post. I’m trying to get a usb digital stream out of a streamer, then into Ethernet, back into USB at the DAC.

 

[Kal Rubinson]

Must you use USB? For USB, I know there are many offerings but few cater directly to audio.

I am running 24/192 AES/EBU over a dedicated but ordinary Cat6 with passive adapters. Analog, bal or unbal, works as well. Look up AES72.

 

[audio_tony]

This unit claims to support full USB2 speed (480Mbps) over 60 metres of cable. £52.99

This should be fast enough to support 192k audio.

EDIT: although it doesn't look to be compatible with a switch, so requires a point to point connection. (I had this previously with an HDMI over Ethernet adaptor - I found that whilst it would work through a switch, performance was impacted).

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AV-Access-Extender-Supports-Operating/dp/B01EV33R8S

 

[Kal Rubinson]

EDIT: although it doesn't look to be compatible with a switch, so requires a point to point connection.

This is common but not often emphasized in the ads.

 

[Berwhale]

Re-read my post. I’m trying to get a usb digital stream out of a streamer, then into Ethernet, back into USB at the DAC.

Your post makes no mention of a DAC, only a streamer. I really don't get why you want to put the streamer in a separate room from the DAC. The Wiim Pro Plus has a decent DAC in it, why not just use that on it's own?

 

[Chester]

Your post makes no mention of a DAC, only a streamer. I really don't get why you want to put the streamer in a separate room from the DAC. The Wiim Pro Plus has a decent DAC in it, why not just use that on it's own?

Don’t feel the need to contribute to this thread further if you strongly feel that I’m misguided.

 

[Berwhale]

Don’t feel the need to contribute to this thread further if you strongly feel that I’m misguided.

Do you need the USB data to pass through a switch or have you run UTP directly between the streamer and DAC locations? (and if the latter, how long is the run?)

 

[elvis_skywalker]

Can you clarify if you're looking to extend this signal over a cable or over a network? If just over a point to point cable, something like this is probably your best bet. I haven't seen anything like this that can utilize USB, but it seems like optical/coax would be ok as long as your DAC has that input available.

If you're looking for something to run over a network, I don't think it exists. You'd essentially be creating a new server, and you'd need another streamer on the other side to receive it.

 

[voodooless]

Just get another streamer near the DAC. Costs the same and is probably more convenient.

 

[Berwhale]

Can you clarify if you're looking to extend this signal over a cable or over a network? If just over a point to point cable, something like this is probably your best bet. I haven't seen anything like this that can utilize USB, but it seems like optical/coax would be ok as long as your DAC has that input available.

If you're looking for something to run over a network, I don't think it exists. You'd essentially be creating a new server, and you'd need another streamer on the other side to receive it.

You can run USB signalling over UTP cable using cheap adapters like these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ethernet-Cat5e-Extension-Extender-Adapter/dp/B01HXSGV86

Someone in the comments for this item claims to be running a printer over 30m of UTP. This seems like a lot because you would normally need an active (i.e. powered) USB cable for that. For example, I have an 10m active USB cable which I use to drive both a DAC and UMIK-1 measurement mic in my lounge from the PC running REW in my study. I bought mine from Amazon UK, but the item and it's details are not available on the website any more (the details, but not the item, are still visible on Amazon.com)

There are also powered versions of the USB to UTP adapters which claim to work up to 50m... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Extender-USB2-0-Ethernet-Printer-Keyboard/dp/B0B28Q6P4G

 

[audio_tony]

There are also powered versions of the USB to UTP adapters which claim to work up to 50m... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Extender-USB2-0-Ethernet-Printer-Keyboard/dp/B0B28Q6P4G

In the past, I've used something similar for HDMI, and it managed full 1080p over about 25M so USB over 50M should work just fine.

 

[Berwhale]

In the past, I've used something similar for HDMI, and it managed full 1080p over about 25M so USB over 50M should work just fine.

Yeah, they some company sell a version with both USB and HDMI and still claim 50m range: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08HVFMC3K

And there's a more expensive version that claims 4K@60Hz over 60m: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0C48YPCT4

Of course, this is all point to point over UTP. No Ethernet switching allowed.