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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    As an aside, I just pre-ordered the 4th Edition today, expanded content on Studios by @Floyd Toole and, as I understand it, a chapter related to headphones by @Sean Olive. https://www.amazon.com/Sound-Reproduction-Psychoacoustics-Loudspeakers-Engineering/dp/1032761938
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    Dr. Toole covered this standard in his book, and said it’s outdated and wrong in some respects. Post in thread 'Which speakers are the Classical Music Pros using?' https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/which-speakers-are-the-classical-music-pros-using.12225/post-863551
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    The ear training wasn’t to train people to identify preference or describe sound quality. The purpose of the training was “merely to teach listeners to recognize and describe resonances.” Thank you for reminding me about Dr. Kim’s more recent study with individualized training to identity...
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    Found it: Edit: From Dr. Toole: I guess you just have to read the 3rd edition of my book, because the answers to your important questions are lengthy. First, the Harman (with an "a") training program merely teaches listeners to recognize and describe resonances - the major cause of colorations...
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    I’m paraphrasing a recent post of his about what the purpose of Olive’s critical listening program was. Get information to designers and engineers about their speakers. I will link the post when I have time to find it.
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    Solar panels

    If you are going to do it, do it quick, has to be installed before 12//31/25 or no tax credit. Without the 30% credit it will never pencil out regardless of what happens on tarrifs.
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    So I was going to start with assessing near field monitor neutrality on Dr. Corey’s technical ear training (I ripped that off from Dr. Olive’s paper, but better to stand on the shoulders of giants). Then try to move to assessing spectral balance results from neutral vs. non-neutral. I wouldn’t...
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    @Sean Olive Dr. Olive has already done a paper on quality of headphones impact on listening training, so I would think it wouldn’t be too difficult to move on from there.
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    Thank you so much. @dfuller who participates in this thread is also an educator at a top tier institution that has audio engineering/production degree and was interested in doing the same. Wouldn’t be me leading the project, need someone like Dr. Corey to lead the project.
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    Hi there Dr. Olive, nice to see you. That option, knowing “which produces the best results when the mix is evaluated over a neutral calibrated system” is where I’m trying to land in this thread. Top tier mixers can command “points” on the revenue of a project just like producers do. Dr...
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    Dr. Jason Corey who wrote the book about improving critical TECHNICAL listening skills for audio engineering students. He was the Chair of the Education Committee of AES for about a decade. This video is a presentation he did at Shure Microphone Company about his program/class to improve...
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    Dr. Olive mentioned in his blog that you designed and built those monitors Dr. Toole. Were these mid-field, baffle mounted in the overhead soffit (or wall mounts to left and right of console) like you frequently see.
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    I’m going to build on this, do you mind saying where. I have emails out to Dr. Olive and Dr. Corey on whether they have taken a stab at this, informally or formally. I just got Dr. Corey’s book and hope to start trying some of the tests this weekend.
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    Thank you so much, really appreciate that because there were some excellent posts, by many, on the issue of monitors, whether they be Brand A or Brand B as they pertain to being able to hear the attributes that real world audio/mixing engineers are listening for.
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    @dfuller and @goat76 Im going to try and continue the discussion here from ATC thread, waiting to see if Rick thinks a good spot to move the ATC Posts here, I plan on doing name mentions of those involved in the discussion about monitors in general and how it relates/doesnt relate to Circle of...
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    This should be an easy discussion to me it boils down to the premise that An unbalanced speaker is going to result in an unbalanced recording/mix. (Putting aside the counter-argument that audio engineers don’t rely only one set of monitors to do their job, or they listen for different things...
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    Your post from Genelec is out of context, that example is related to room placement of their speakers can result in bloated bass. Says bloated bass “may” result in mixes bass shy. It then goes on to discuss how to measure a room curve. Won’t go into all of what Dr. Toole discusses about the...
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    There isn’t any research, that I can find, one way or the other. Dr. Toole has suggested/hypothesized there is a connection and forms the basis for the Circle of Confusion concept. Most of his critical listening test tracks he used at the NRC were McGill university recordings where he knew who...
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    Studio Monitors & The Circle of Confusion- What We Know/Don’t Know

    Moderator note: this thread was created from existing content from another thread. The following text was copied from the original OP here and is now later in this thread... I searched high and low for an existing thread on studio monitors and how it relates to COC, came up empty. Saw a few...
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    Understanding Audio Measurements

    4 instruments playing the same note in the 4 spectrograms below using Audicity. Anyone can see the difference. The question quoted seems to ask what measurements would produce a graph showing different instruments playing the same note. The same can be done with different brands of strings for...
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