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Hifiman Ananda Review (headphone)

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I watched a few youtube reviews and did not get impression of unanimous praise. Most of what they said seemed random to me :) But didn't end with glowing review.
 

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I think what many people forget is how hard it is to nail down planar magnetic headphones that don’t have distortion and behave decently. Look at fostex t50rp for case study, they’re lauded by many but they have many deficiencies that the modding community fixes. Gist of it for me is planar technology is hard to refine even if they were to try.
 

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Amir vs Oratory1990:
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Amir vs Jaakkopasanen (measured by Oratory1990):
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Oratory1990 vs Jaakkopasanen (measured by Oratory1990):
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PEQ profile by Amir (from my post #2 above):
Preamp: -7.4 db
Filter 1: ON LS Fc 20 Hz Gain 4.0 dB Q 1.0
Filter 2: ON LS Fc 40 Hz Gain 3.0 dB Q 1.0
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 90 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 1.0
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 930 Hz Gain -2.0 dB Q 2.0
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 1850 Hz Gain 5.0 dB Q 2.5
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 8100 Hz Gain -4.0 dB Q 3.0
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 12000 Hz Gain -6.0 dB Q 3.0

PEQ profile by Oratory1990:
Preamp: -5.5 db
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 1750 Hz Gain 5.6 dB Q 1.1
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 3000 Hz Gain -3.1 dB Q 2.0
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 980 Hz Gain -3.0 dB Q 3.0
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 570 Hz Gain -2.3 dB Q 3.0
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 220 Hz Gain -1.9 dB Q 2.0
Filter 6: ON LS Fc 75 Hz Gain 5.5 dB Q 0.65
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 1200 Hz Gain 1.1 dB Q 2.0
PEQ profile by Jaakkopasanen (measured by Oratory1990):
Preamp: -6.2 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 18 Hz Gain 3.3 dB Q 0.41
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 209 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1.06
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 568 Hz Gain -2.7 dB Q 2.99
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 1617 Hz Gain 5.5 dB Q 2.30
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 10293 Hz Gain 2.4 dB Q 3.71
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 975 Hz Gain -2.6 dB Q 7.04
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 2200 Hz Gain 1.1 dB Q 0.57
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 3216 Hz Gain -3.4 dB Q 2.32
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 12466 Hz Gain 1.6 dB Q 1.65
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 19743 Hz Gain -6.7 dB Q 0.46
 

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I saw those too. As I noted in the review, no amount of pushing against the pads generated the sub-bass results they show. In addition, in listening tests the sub-bass is just not there. So I have good confidence in my measurements.

In addition I see a lot of smoothing in other measurements posted which get rid of a lot of the fine variations I show.
I hear ya, but I can't see how smoothing would eliminate/minimize this dip because the slopes are the opposite. Maybe they are able to achieve tighter seals for measurements that are not indicative of real-world use?
Also thanks for weighing the headphones :)
 

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I was going to order a pair of Fostex T50rp or Sundaras but have completely looked the other way after seeing data of how much distortion is prevalent with planars. Sticking with getting dynamic drivers for now.
 

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This is a review and detailed measurements of the Hifiman Ananda open-back, planar magnetic headphone. It was kindly sent to me by a member and costs US $700 on Amazon including Prime shipping (retail $999).

This is one massive headphone!

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As you see, it dwarfs the panther next to it. For both testing and listening tests I had it in its lowest setting. It fit me but if you have less tall head, then it may not on you. Good news is that the Ananda is extremely light for its size, coming at 410 grams. As you see, the cup is oval so while the height is 88mm, I can't give you an exact width of the inside of the cup. I measured it more or less at 57mm. Depth to the dust cover is 17 mm.

Comfort was excellent despite the large size. I quickly forgot about them after a few minutes.

Note: The measurements you are about to see are preformed using standardized GRAS 45CA headphone measurement fixture. Headphone measurements require more interpretation than speaker tests and have more of a requirement for subjective testing as a result. In addition, comparison of measurements between different people performing it using different configurations requires fair bit of skill. So don't look for matching results. Focus on high level picture. Listening tests are performed using RME ADI-2 DAC and its headphone output.

Mounting the headphone on the text fixture was easy requiring almost no manipulation to get proper measurements. However, I noticed a gap on both cups facing forward. There is a depression there. Pushing the cups closer to the side of the rig pushed up the level of the bass resonance you see below but kept the bass roll off essentially the same. So I did not deem it significant.

Hifiman Andanda Measurements
As usual, we start with our stereo frequency response measurements:
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Staying at high level first, we see the aforementioned sudden drop in sub-bass starting at 40 Hz and going down. Otherwise we have more or less our preference curve until we get to 1 kHz where we see the all too common shortfall. This continues to 3 kHz then we are OK until we notice the peaks exceeding our preference curve starting at 8 kHz or so.

At more focused level there are a ton of variations and kinks in the response. It seems the headphone/driver are going through many distortion mechanisms due to resonances, reflections and general driver issues. We can see the chaotic aspect in group delay graph:

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I think this is the worst I have seen it here. Speaking of distortion, we have a lot of it was well:


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Sure, at lower levels it is not extreme but still, this is not competitive as high-end headphones go. These distortion mechanisms needed to have been found and resolved. Here is the same in absolute at lowest measured level of 94 dBSPL:

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I like to see a clear gap above a few hundred hertz and peak distortion and we don't have it here. Around 7 kHz we actually exceed our target fair bit.

Back to frequency response, here is our deviation from target:

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Impedance is flat as is typical in planar magnetic headphones since we basically have traces of wire:
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You are in luck as you can use my 33 ohm headphone amp measurements and directly figure out how loud these play. And loud they do given the good sensitivity:

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Hifiman Ananda Headphone Listening Tests
Before talking about music listening, let me comment on how loud and piercing the frequency response sweeps were. I almost felt like hearing protection! Not only these thing spit out the sound but do so at elevated levels in highs. So best to not wear them around other people.

Overall experience with music as far as tonality was "eh." :) There is little sub-bass to make me happy and a bit of brightness because or independent of it. You do get nice sensation of "speakers away from your ear" though which is very pleasing. It nicely pushes the sound out some and leaves room for instruments to image between it and the ear. All of this was not enough to get me to ignore the tonality problems though so the parametric equalization tool came out:

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Yes, there is a ton in there. I first pulled up the deficiency in 1 to 3 kHz which as I would have predicted, jazzed up the spatial qualities of this headphone even more. Sound was bright and at first I tried a shelving filter for highs. That didn't do the trick as well as two parametric filters to pull down those peaks in the frequency response. We were close but not quite there. Boosting the sub-bass region first with one shelving filter and then two did the trick to give balance to overall tonality and shave off the remaining brightness.

The sound was good now but still I felt some bass was missing so dialed in the 1.5 dB broad boost centered around 90 Hz. That warmed things up a bit more which was nice. I still had some grunginess I did not like so put in the dip 930 Hz and that helped.

Once there, the transformation was dramatic. The headphone tonality was very nice now and sound super open and pleasing. Alas, after a few minutes of listening, I lost interest in wearing these headphones and focused once more on some grunginess. Mind you, it could just be imagined problem but the final outcome was unlike other headphones that I listen to that are nice. I usually won't stop until I have to do the review. Didn't happen here.

Conclusions
The focus with Hifiman Ananda seems to be "big is good." I agree with that especially when combined with low weight. There is something really nice about wearing two 6 inch speakers suspended on each side of your ear. Alas, many compromises were made in execution of this headphone causing roughness in frequency response in addition to macro tonality issues. Fortunately correcting the tonality also helped with distortion factors but in my opinion, not fully.

If you have this headphone, then I suggest trying the EQ as I have proposed and tune to it taste. The result should be quite satisfying and unique. If you don't have it, I can't recommend that you buy the Hifiman Anandna. It just has too many flaws which I feel the company could have dealt with prior to releasing it.

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I remember having heard from a Sennheiser official "no planar may survive longer than 3-4 years with no signs of deterioration" (he was referring to the technology Vs dynamic drivers) ..... was this Ananda an older one?
 

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You can EQ old model headphones and get way better performance than this.
 
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I do agree with Amir, bright tonal balance, not much low bass, and some roughness in treble. Good headphone, huge soundstage, but not refined..
He1000 v2 covers all these issues but still has an 8kHz peak :S
@amirm you should give it a try!
The Arya seems to have the same driver..
 

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I was going to order a pair of Fostex T50rp or Sundaras but have completely looked the other way after seeing data of how much distortion is prevalent with planars. Sticking with getting dynamic drivers for now.
I have both AKG K712 and Sundara HPs...Sundara cans edge out K712 just a bit in terms of overall sound quality. I don't think you can go wrong with the Sundara headphones. No such thing as the perfect headphones, not at any price, so it's all about what compromises you're willing to live with.
 

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I was going to order a pair of Fostex T50rp or Sundaras but have completely looked the other way after seeing data of how much distortion is prevalent with planars. Sticking with getting dynamic drivers for now.
But yeah, all the reliable sources I found showed that the Sundara HPs were either a little better or almost as good as the Ananda cans at half the price. It was apparent that the Sundara cans were a good value proposition, while the Ananda HPs were not. YMMV.
 

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I remember having heard from a Sennheiser official "no planar may survive longer than 3-4 years with no signs of deterioration" (he was referring to the technology Vs dynamic drivers) ..... was this Ananda an older one?

These were purchased new from Hifiman on Dec. 2019. So not even two years old.
 

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I was going to order a pair of Fostex T50rp or Sundaras but have completely looked the other way after seeing data of how much distortion is prevalent with planars. Sticking with getting dynamic drivers for now.
I'm not sure it's a planar /dynamic split. Some of the lowest distortion headphones measured here have been planar.
 

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I was considering buying this as a wild swing at the end of the year. Not so sure anymore. I don't think there's anything I get from this that I can't get from EQing my 4XX.
 
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