(No Debate) [Extreme Political] What you need to know about Hong Kong's new National Security Law

[Blumlein 88]

Mao and his inheritors are uniquely brutal, not that Dueterte, Erdogan, MBS, Orban, Kim Jong Il, Putin, Bolsanaro, or Trump are any prize either.

Pathetic listing Trump with the others. Grasping at reality and coming up short it seems.

 

[whazzup]

Objective facts when a country is weak:
Western Imperialism in China

 

[amirm]

Watch it folks when it comes to political talk.

 

[andymok]

Right now, the law is very vague even in Chinese, many different interpretations among officials over time, so God knows what it looks like in English.

And no, the law has no geographic limitations, on paper it applies to every corner on earth.

Effectively it changes the way public figures and analysts talk, overnight.

Some young political leaders have left HK right on 30 June.

 

[Willem]

Jeffrey Wasserstrom, the perhaps most important expert in the US, has a recent book on Hong Kong: https://globalreports.columbia.edu/...il&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_todayworld

 

[Willem]

All governments can be brutal. Communist governments like the Chinese seem to do it best, and with greater frequency.

I am not so sure there is anything communist about modern China. I would classify it as an autocratic plutocracy, and sadly the number of such countries is on the rise. If one looks at data on social inequality, China is in the top league.

 

[oldsysop]

At the danger of polluting the thread where we all agree things in Hong Kong are bad, and anti-freedom, care to name one brutal capitalist government?

Do you really need to mention them?
We better continue talking about Audio.

 

[SIY]

I first visited HK in '85 as a stopping point before entering China. I immediately fell in love- physically beautiful, fantastic and diverse food, great people, and a pervasive spirit of entrepreneurship. Went back several more times before the '97 disaster.

I do mourn what once was and what could have been.

 

[bennetng]

English sections from local HK and Taiwan media for those who need more info:
https://hk.appledaily.com/engnews/
http://www.taipeitimes.com/

 

[Blumlein 88]

Do you really need to mention them?
We better continue talking about Audio.

Yes I think you should mention them.

 

[A.West]

HK was for many years a place where people seeking freedom and opportunity could find it. I hope that HK people who now seek the same elsewhere can find it.

 

[andymok]

Should you have friends who're tad bit famous/high profile/has a sort of identity, who works/do business in China/HK

This was put onto YouTube on 1st July 2020

 

[Wes]

You know you have REALLY effed up as a government, when your people want to go back to British colonialism.

 

[Dialectic]

I'm more optimistic than most who have posted on this thread, mainly because I don't think President Xi is as competent as the bien pensants in the West believe him to be. He is proving extraordinarily effective at surrounding the PRC, and himself, with enemies.

 

[Vini darko]

I'm more optimistic than most who have posted on this thread, mainly because I don't think President Xi is as competent as the bien pensants in the West believe him to be. He is proving extraordinarily effective at surrounding the PRC, and himself, with enemies.

Keep your enemies close and mortal foes closer.

 

[Deleted member 65]

I am not so sure there is anything communist about modern China. I would classify it as an autocratic plutocracy, and sadly the number of such countries is on the rise. If one looks at data on social inequality, China is in the top league.

There’s no communist country in the world and never has been.
Having read and studied the originals from Marx & Engels (The communist manifesto & Das Capital) some 40 years ago as a young politically involved I can assure you that their thoughts have never materialized anywhere in the world.

 

[bobbooo]

Yes I think you should mention them.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/slavery-capitalism.html

 

[Deleted member 65]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/slavery-capitalism.html

That’s some reading ...

 

[Blumlein 88]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/slavery-capitalism.html

While there are of course things that could be done better in a capitalist America, it reminds me of Winston Churchill saying democracy was the worst kind of gov't..................except for all the other kinds. Considering the good results of capitalism I say the same thing about it as a form of economic activity and development.

I'll repeat it, and it can be removed or me banned. If you believe the garbage that America is inherently racist, founded upon racism and oppression and that the Declaration of Independence is propaganda to cover for a pro-slavery country. You are a special kind of idiot. Even though there appear to be many such idiots it is a peculiarly inane type of idiot. I'm familiar with the thinking behind these ideas and it is an insult to the people of America past and present.

Slavery was a terrible stain upon the early United States, but a war was fought to end it. More white people were killed in that war than the number of slaves brought into the 13 colonies from Africa.

 

[Blumlein 88]

That’s some reading ...

Don't pollute your mind with that crap. Here are a couple articles about what is wrong with it.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/06/1619-project-new-york-times-mistake-122248

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-1619-project-gets-schooled-11576540494