Breathing

[YesChickenNuggets]

I've noticed wearing iems or most any earbuds that I can hear myself breath pretty loudly. I can also hear the slightest rubbing of the chord against clothing. Is there a quantification for what these types of noises would represent in THDN? Would it be over 100% since depending on the product, the ruffling chord noise can be as loud as the music playing when it happens, even breathing is pretty loud.

 

[amirm]

No, they don't show up in measurements. I do comment if a cord is "microphonic" or not but that is a subjective assessment.

 

[YesChickenNuggets]

Right Amir, I'm not asking if that's part of your current measurements, my question is IF THEY WERE, what would be the % quantification of THDN, because I noticed these "microphonics" get as loud/louder than the music itself, if I get a particularly strong rub of the chord on my shoulder, or if I take a loud deep breath. Even normal breaths are quite loud depending on the fixture/device, especially with in ear.

 

[majingotan]

Right Amir, I'm not asking if that's part of your current measurements, my question is IF THEY WERE, what would be the % quantification of THDN, because I noticed these "microphonics" get as loud/louder than the music itself, if I get a particularly strong rub of the chord on my shoulder, or if I take a loud deep breath. Even normal breaths are quite loud depending on the fixture/device, especially with in ear.

They DO NOT show up on measurements because the perception you get is through a phenomenon called "bone conduction" when you perceive cable microphonics

 

[sam_adams]

The solution is simple, stop breathing and don't move.

 

[TimF]

One of the solutions pretty much solves the other.

 

[MayaTlab]

I've noticed wearing iems or most any earbuds that I can hear myself breath pretty loudly. I can also hear the slightest rubbing of the chord against clothing. Is there a quantification for what these types of noises would represent

It is probably measurable one way or another. You can easily see how talking or physically interfering with headphones (cable for example) results in an altered noise floor when measuring them, particularly for headphones with a stronger occlusion effect.

Most active headphones with a feedback ANC mechanism will be able to reduce that effect (one of their most significant advantages over passive closed headphones or IEMs IMO).

 

[YesChickenNuggets]

The solution is simple, stop breathing and don't move.

I can't, I have adhd, and a mild will to live.

They DO NOT show up on measurements because the perception you get is through a phenomenon called "bone conduction" when you perceive cable microphonics

Does that mean, we should actually be developing a new head measurement to take bone conduction into account.
In Amir's reviews, he says things like noise dominant and distortion dominant when reporting sinad. This bone conduction issue is a very loud category of noise. It should be taken into account no? Since it's omnipresent in all headphones/iems to a great extent.

Does Amir review wireless earbuds ?

Most active headphones with a feedback ANC mechanism will be able to reduce that effect (one of their most significant advantages over passive closed headphones or IEMs IMO).

Does the anc solve the bone conduction issue raised by majingotan?

 

[Purité Audio]

If you send your skull to Amir…
Keith

 

[threni]

I can't, I have adhd, and a mild will to live.


Does that mean, we should actually be developing a new head measurement to take bone conduction into account.
In Amir's reviews, he says things like noise dominant and distortion dominant when reporting sinad. This bone conduction issue is a very loud category of noise. It should be taken into account no? Since it's omnipresent in all headphones/iems to a great extent.

Does Amir review wireless earbuds ?


Does the anc solve the bone conduction issue raised by majingotan?

Maybe Amir could construct fake anlmatronic hands which could perform repeatable, deterministic levels of fiddling with the cables during testing to get another metric, maybe in different sizes.

 

[lashto]

I've noticed wearing iems or most any earbuds that I can hear myself breath pretty loudly. I can also hear the slightest rubbing of the chord against clothing. Is there a quantification for what these types of noises would represent in THDN? Would it be over 100% since depending on the product, the ruffling chord noise can be as loud as the music playing when it happens, even breathing is pretty loud.

don't think there is anything to measure here.
The "loud breathing" is a normal effect of earbuds, particularly if they go deep into your ears and isolate very well. And it's not only breathing that gets 'amplified' but all your body noises: heart/pulse/swallow/stomach/etc.. Some people even pretend that they can hear their blood flow. Anyway, not much you can do about that, either get used to it or buy earbuds with less isolation.

And the "chord rubbing" means that you need a cable with better isolation. The braided ones are usually good.

 

[Godataloss]

I get that bad if I can't equalize the pressure in my ears.

 

[fpitas]

The trick is to quit breathing...

 

[Leiker535]

If testing goes all right with neuralink, soon enough you'll be able to insert a chip and play music directly to your brain, distortionless, don't fret.

 

[MayaTlab]

Does the anc solve the bone conduction issue raised by majingotan?

I don't know whether bone conduction is significantly involved or not, but ANC headphones with a feedback mechanism are indeed quite effective to reduce that phenomenon.

 

[phoenixdogfan]

If an audiophile is breathing, he's dissatisfied. Seems to be a pattern.

 

[phoenixdogfan]

If testing goes all right with neuralink, soon enough you'll be able to insert a chip and play music directly to your brain, distortionless, don't fret.

You have the word of the future Emperor of Mars on that!

 

[phoenixdogfan]

I can't, I have adhd, and a mild will to live.


Does that mean, we should actually be developing a new head measurement to take bone conduction into account.
In Amir's reviews, he says things like noise dominant and distortion dominant when reporting sinad. This bone conduction issue is a very loud category of noise. It should be taken into account no? Since it's omnipresent in all headphones/iems to a great extent.

Does Amir review wireless earbuds ?


Does the anc solve the bone conduction issue raised by majingotan?

Simpler to just line the inside with Sorbothane.

 

[YesChickenNuggets]

Simpler to just line the inside with Sorbothane.

Sorbothane has to deform to absorb energy. Does that work here ?

 

[NiagaraPete]

The braided ones are usually good

I've just ordered another. I found my first one really reduced noise.