Yeah it's in the specsHave you seen that specified somewhere or you see something my old eyes can’t see as clearly as you? I am also a bit surprised by that from Genelec speakers.
The S360 and 8361A are roughly the same size externally. The 8351B is a smaller speaker.The review compares to the 8361a, but isn’t the 8351b the better comparison at the same price point? Which is the better speaker then?
I was thinking more along the lines of durability. These also seem to lack any protective grills, which seems odd for a product intended for studio monitoring and such, but maybe they are trying to make some more inroads into the audiophile market where there isn't much of a need for the speaker to endure insults and aesthetics matter more.IMV metal housings only make sense if they have no flat parts (side/front/back/top/bottom walls). Metal is prone to ringing and I think the 8xxx style housing is designed specifically to reduce ringing and having no flat parts helps a lot.
Christ that thing makes the piano look like a toy. Pair of them probably weighs as much as a piano as well. As far as moving and mounting them goes, if whatever you are using doesn't have a back-up beeper than you are probably out of luck.A demo pair of 1236A can (could) be yours for $42000/pair plus shipping: see here.
Its' weight is 182 kg/each.
Have you ever seen such a speaker as a stand speaker?
Now you have:
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A concert grand weights approximately 500kgs, I believe the size difference relates to perspectiveChrist that thing makes the piano look like a toy. Pair of them probably weighs as much as a piano as well. As far as moving and mounting them goes, if whatever you are using doesn't have a back-up beeper than you are probably out of luck.
I said earlier (#107) Genelec seems to be good at matching the appropriate amp power to their drivers. That in and of itself I still believe BUT 100 amp W to the tweeter, when it's a compression driver.?! A driver that maybe has 109 dB sensitivity? Isn't that overkill?
Well obviously it would I have no doubt that it was intentional on their part when they set up the shot. Still, a pair of these checks in close to 400 kg. Its not that far off.A concert grand weights approximately 500kgs, I believe the size difference relates to perspective
A concert grand piano weighs up to 1,200 lbs. (544 kg), while an average (upright and vertical) piano weighs between 200 lbs. (91 kg) and 1,000 lbs. (545 kg). An average professional grand piano weighs about 700 lbs. (317 kg), and an average baby grand piano weighs between 500 lbs. (227 kg) and 600 lbs. (272 kg)
They seem to be smiling so I think they "approve."I waS wanting to know @Amir what the doll, and teddy thought of the off axis response , and if they didn’t like it do you think they have “cloth” ears ?
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S360s have like x4/x8 times higher max SPL output than LS60 if not more. They have different use cases. There are only 2 choices in the market right now for those who are looking for speakers with good directivity and 110db+(also in upper treble) output: JBL M2 and Genelec S360. Imagine how rare high SPL, smooth directivity speakers are.For that price , I’d cast my eye toward a KEF LS60.
Thanks.
It is odd that only the S360A and the gigantic 1236A use the compression tweeter
Maybe in the future all Genelecs would use them
The efficiency of a dome tweeter with 90db~ sensitivity is about %1. That means whatever power is fed into that tweeter, it can only utilize %1 of it and the rest is converted to heat. Heat buildup is a serious problem in dome tweeters hence ''1 tweeters can't go beyond 95-99db~ max SPL. Compression drivers can have up to %35 efficiency(pro audio models especially) and naturally +100db upper treble is a compression driver territory.It is odd that only the S360A and the gigantic 1236A use the compression tweeter
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Not the bottleneck on what metric? And how do you judge that there is no need for it? Is it not true that you could get more output and more throw from a compression driver? Not fully sure, I am genuinely asking but it's what stated as the design goal.1235A has too. But why would you want to use a compression driver if there is no need for it? Tweeter is not the bottleneck for smaller models.
Is it? Specs say a 50mm driver in 25mm throat. The TAD is a 3 inch driver. Something does not add up here. And why would they use such a driver anyway? Crossover is beyond 2 KHz. Why use a driver capable of playing down to below 1 KHz?The driver inside Genelec 1236a is a TAD 4001.
Don't forget my favorite contender, the GGNTKT M1 which is capable of outputting 115dB/119dB peak...S360s have like x4/x8 times higher max SPL output than LS60 if not more. They have different use cases. There are only 2 choices in the market right now for those who are looking for speakers with good directivity and 110db+(also in upper treble) output: JBL M2 and Genelec S360. Imagine how rare high SPL, smooth directivity speakers are.