I have one. And how dare I because it doesn’t measure perfectly, but I have a Ares 2 arriving Monday, hence my inquiry.Looking forward to hearing it when it ever gets released!
Who knows maybe 2023?
I have one. And how dare I because it doesn’t measure perfectly, but I have a Ares 2 arriving Monday, hence my inquiry.Looking forward to hearing it when it ever gets released!
Who knows maybe 2023?
Looking forward to hearing it when it ever gets released!
Who knows maybe 2023?
I mean the Anthem AVM90!The AVM 70 has been released, tparm already has one afaik.. As I mentioned before, Anthem's documentation is not very good, the owner's manual don't seem to have enough details for some users. The analog path information is a good example, it should be in the manual.
Confirmed (response from Anthem in an hour and four minutes) the AVM 70 has a pure analog path:
If you set convert analog to no you are activating analog passthrough. This means the signal is not being converted to digital and therefore there isn't and digital processing being applied. This means there won't be any bass management, ARC will not be applied, and you will not have any listening modes. Essentially you will have a 2 channel analog signal with volume control only.
Jamie Z.
Technical Advisor
Paradigm / Anthem AV
Because there are some people that still care about 2CH music reproduction. I use all the modern gadgets for Spatial music, in native Atmos and not upmixed with something like Auro, and movies in Atmos and DTS where the AVM performs extremely well. What’s the harm in a product having an analog path? Does it take away from your experience? No. Does it add to mine? Yes.I guess there are tin-eared 2 channel fundies that will scream like an anti-vaxxer if modern audio equipment can’t operate with a proverbial hand tied behind its back, but I find it unfortunate that there are enough of them to compel a fine company like Anthem to offer this kind of limp-mode. Better to go in the opposite direction and offer Auro upmixing!
Why would anyone want to kill their bass fidelity by gimping an AVP with good room correction and bass management?
Because there are some people that still care about 2CH music reproduction.
So we are back to promoting a 2 channel dac over a good AVR as superior sounding? On what basis? Sighted listening?Regardless of measurements the Ares II is spectacular. I’ll spare you the gushing details unless you asked me specifically, but the Anthem has an analog heart after all. A dedicated 2CH rig probably would and should outperform my multi-use system, but I am not sure my current system could sound better.
So we are back to promoting a 2 channel dac over a good AVR as superior sounding? On what basis? Sighted listening?
Should outperform a good AVR sonically? On what basis should it? Purist rhetoric?
Overstepped what mark?Don't be so bitter @tparm : you overstepped the mark, and got called on it, and now you call people arrogant and hypocrites.
OTOH if you have substantiation, other than sighted listening, that analog path=purer and better sounding, 2-channel DACs sound better than AVR because they are purely about audio, and your primary reason is because they should, then I'm all ears.
Until then, I call. And I'm not being personal about it, so would appreciate you returning the favour for a change.
cheers
Many of you remind me of certain political party who’s philosophy is people, in general, have no ability to think for themselves.
You guys all bitch because AV processors aren’t as good as cheap dongle and then rip someone who supports your notion.
I have a better than average amp too! No use in continuing this exchange. Ignored.I agree that there's a side here that's acting more elephant than donkey: a similar anti-science and anti-reason bent, and afflicted with the habit of lobbing personal insults to avoid engaging in substantive discussion. As your fellow-traveler would have tweeted back when he was allowed to do so - Sad!
The point I'm making that you're missing is, small rooms (using the acoustics term of art) just plain suck for bass fidelity.
If one cares about fidelity, we have a few tools available to mitigate the problem. The first tool, and possibly only one needed if just one seat is involved, is EQ, be it automated or manual. Whether subwoofer(s) are used or not is more a matter of extension and headroom demands than anything else. If you want several people to have a good experience, you need to consider not only good steady-state bass response for one listener but also seat-to-seat variance. That means multiple distributed subwoofers thoughtfully calibrated to work together and integrate with the mains.
All of these tools have the common trait of being much easier to implement in the digital domain. Anthem has a very good tool for doing so, ARC Genesis. (It would be even better if it provided more advanced multisub calibration, sure.) ARC is the main thing distinguishing Anthem's AVR/P's from other companies' products. But "pure direct" takes ARC about of the picture. Which makes "pure direct" a euphemism for "lower fidelity."
Sure, you can like or even prefer inferior bass fidelity. Bully for you. Preference is what it is. But there's no magic about "pure direct," and in fact it prevents you from doing the things that smart people do to improve fidelity. And if you imagine pure direct is better than just turning all the fidelity-improving processing off because then you get to add a bunch of superfluous extra boxes and feel like a real audiophile...may as well get in line for horse dewormer because reality is just not your jam.
Who the hell are you talking about here? Perhaps you should read this post.
Furthermore, I'm pretty sure Amir stuck with the "headless panther" he gave the processor I currently have installed, regardless of additional data that came to light. Maybe it measures worse in this basic dimensions than a dongle. You know what? DGAF. It sounds better than legacy stereo components not because of how it ranks in electrical measurements with all of the sonically relevant stuff zeroed out, but because it has very good automated multisub calibration and integration along with a very well executed loudness compensation program.
PS: No offense, but since you brag about your gear at the bottom of every damn post it's fair game: someone advertising use of mediocre speakers and superfluous voodoo crap alongside a perfectly fine and fairly expensive AVP really shouldn't be casting aspersions on other people's systems!
Agreed... But what are the AVM70's real competitors at or near this price point?1st can the political innuendoes please stop.
Back to the processor.
It's unfortunate this doesn't have the ability to eq 4 seperate subs. That's a deal breaker for some including me. The dlbc on some other processors is more enticing.
No Anthem are available to buy unfortunatelyThis would be the main competitor list prices vary a few
Marantz AV7706/AV8805
Rotel RSP-1576MKII
Yamaha CX-A5200
JBL Synthesis SDP-55
Monoprice Monolith HTP-1
Emotiva RMC1/XMC2
McIntosh MX-100
LEXICON MC-10
NAD MASTER SERIES M17v2i
ARCAM AV40
Audio Control X9/X7
Lyngdorf MP-40/50
I believe channels on the Arcam AV40 can be reassigned to 4 subwoofers, and the Anthem AVM90 otherwise you could get away with adding a miniDSP
Thanks! Considering the specs required, it looks like only the Marantz AV7706 or the Monoprice HTP-1 are comparatively priced.This would be the main competitor list prices vary a few
Marantz AV7706/AV8805
Rotel RSP-1576MKII
Yamaha CX-A5200
JBL Synthesis SDP-55
Monoprice Monolith HTP-1
Emotiva RMC1/XMC2
McIntosh MX-100
LEXICON MC-10
NAD MASTER SERIES M17v2i
ARCAM AV40
Audio Control X9/X7
Lyngdorf MP-40/50
I believe channels on the Arcam AV40 can be reassigned to 4 subwoofers, and the Anthem AVM90 otherwise you could get away with adding a miniDSP