Sennheiser went on to develop the horrible sounding HD800.
Only without EQ. With EQ, there's not really anything that's directly comparable.
Even without EQ the soundstage is enough to overcome the tonality issues for quite a few people.
Sennheiser went on to develop the horrible sounding HD800.
Finish of the headband and metal instead of plastic grilles for the 600 should be the only differences. An identical sound wouldn't surprise me here.I really like to know how the HD600 differs from the HD580 precision. I bought the latter in 1994 and when I once listened to a HD600 (not in a direct comparison though) I couldn't find a difference, at least not that big that an update made any sense.
This brings nostalgic memories. Twenty years ago difference between hd580 and hd600 was a passionately debated topic. Deja-vu.Finish of the headband and metal instead of plastic grilles for the 600 should be the only differences. An identical sound wouldn't surprise me here.
If Amir walked into a store having HD600 and HD650 ready to audition he would have most likely agreed with the rest of the folks here. There is an audible difference between these headphones. Just not much with the versions he had on hand and measured.
What really shocked me is that after the great sounding HD600 and HD650, Sennheiser went on to develop the horrible sounding HD800.
You can't have tried them with EQ or modded. I can tell you that @solderdude's adapter+ SDR makes it a worthwhile HP (if u like its pluses and just dislike the most common minus - treble).
See my post above.Only without EQ. With EQ, there's not really anything that's directly comparable.
Even without EQ the soundstage is enough to overcome the tonality issues for quite a few people.
One thing to consider about the HD600:
How much is one really losing out on the sub bass response? As I understand it’s considerably rolled-off.
What really shocked me is that after the great sounding HD600 and HD650, Sennheiser went on to develop the horrible sounding HD800.
One thing to consider about the HD600:
How much is one really losing out on the sub bass response? As I understand it’s considerably rolled-off.
Is the HD560S the better purchase as a result of having better subbass and (as I understand it) a more present treble response and wider soundstage?
Say both are the same price. What is the better option in that scenario (objective and subjective impressions welcome).
Haven’t heard the HD800S. Tyll’s article you linked above pretty much nails what is wrong with the HD800, shortcomings that render it unlistenable to me:Sennheiser fixed some of the issues with the HD800 when they came out with the HD800S, as documented here:
https://www.stereophile.com/content...tweaked-and-delightfuland-french-diy-response
For years, people were telling me that HD 650 was for rock music and HD 600 for classical… or perhaps it was the other way round?Thank you for destroying another audio myth . I hope the PROVEN similarity of HD 600 and 650 will make all the subjectivist owners think about the perceived differences, which they wrote about in forums for years.....
He has a headache due to the Death Grip clamping force of the Sennheisers…Where's the panther?
At least nobody has mentioned the “Sennheiser Veil” which was endlessly promoted by subjectivists…HD650 is generally touted as being a slightly warmer headphone than the HD600, which is backed up by some measurements out there, but they are undeniably very similar. I've got the HD600 (bought new last year) and for me it's the only headphone I truly enjoy without any equalisation applied (and you likewise thought it was good at stock), however it's my least favourite headphone once equalisation is applied due the inherent small soundstage of the HD600/650. Vocals are a real joy with the HD600 even at stock and were the standout quality for me. Re distortion, the HD600 is generally shown in most measurements to have slightly more distortion in the bass and slightly less distortion in the mids & treble when compared to the HD650, but there's not much in it. The HD600 is a really solid headphone if you're not bothered by the small soundstage but enjoy some beautiful vocals/mids.
Haven’t heard the HD800S. Tyll’s article you linked above pretty much nails what is wrong with the HD800, shortcomings that render it unlistenable to me:
“But the HD 800 is also quite problematic. It has a sharp sounding peak at around 6kHz that will, at times and with problematic recordings, drill a bleeding hole in your eardrums. Adding to this problem is an overall cool response, lacking the bass extension that, say, an Audeze LCD planar magnetic can has.”
If they are reading this forum, they better find a way to EQ their headphones.The largest audio consumer demographic is portable listeners with no choice but to listen at stock.
Most consumers don't read your posts.The EQ crowd here are outliers since most consumers don't listen that way.
And leave a lot of quality on the table.The advantage of the "purist" approach is that you have a headphone that will sound good whether it is plugged into EQ or not.
My first post. I have been reading this forum for a while but had to join up when I saw this review.To be honest, this review kinda questioning the credibility of the the site, because basically anyone can tell that there is a clear difference between the 650 and 600's sound. Would be really good to measure a new pair of HD600, because this review are kinda useless in this form. 20year headphone with ancient, flattened pads..
This could become a meme/ laughing stock. Every subjectivist a**hole would mention that this is the joke site where people think that the 600 and 650 are the same, while every random people in the street could tell the clear difference.
I think the HD6XX is similar to the HD650. I listened to the HD6xx vs the HD600 and the differences were pretty obvious. (But it wasn't a blind test of course).This thread is full of more robust measurements that show there are consistent audible differences between the two throughout two decades of manufacture.
This thread has shown many too eager to jump on the "myth busted" wagon.
This mindset works on paper but it's generally impractical for many.
I for one listen to music through my phone. I don't have space on my workdesk for an amp (which is needed to EQ certain frequencies without distortion on a 600/650), and I can't exactly bring one from workdesk to couch to Train to coffee shop.
This is why Amir's subjective impressions are mostly lackluster, since they commonly result in "recommended with EQ".
The largest audio consumer demographic is portable listeners with no choice but to listen at stock.
This is why for some of us, how the 600/650 sounds at stock matters quite a bit. The difference in warmth is negligible for someone who EQs , but noticeable in everyday listening.
The EQ crowd here are outliers since most consumers don't listen that way.
The advantage of the "purist" approach is that you have a headphone that will sound good whether it is plugged into EQ or not.