If the filters change with the FIR button on the remote, I can not see any difference.Is it just me or is there zero audible differences between the filters?
If the filters change with the FIR button on the remote, I can not see any difference.Is it just me or is there zero audible differences between the filters?
As far as I can tell, the filters have different degrees of filtration of out of band frequencies, that is to say, frequencies out of our range of hearing. Although the differences can be measured, I doubt they can be heard.If the filters change with the FIR button on the remote, I can not see any difference.
Topping engineer was kind enough to provide this chart in one of my threads:Is it just me or is there zero audible differences between the filters?
Is there zero difference between 1 and 3? Even in Amir's graph they seem to overlapTopping engineer was kind enough to provide this chart in one of my threads:
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Looks like no difference to me. Anyone else could explain the difference?Is there zero difference between 1 and 3? Even in Amir's graph they seem to overlap
If the filters change with the FIR button on the remote, I can not see any difference.
The effects of the filters extend past the frequencies shown in that diagram; all filters differ at higher frequencies.Looks like no difference to me. Anyone else could explain the difference?
I've seen people say filter 1 is ideal. Why is this?I generated a 20kHz tone using REW and played it very loud and I could hear it, and I could hear how the filters sounded different. So they're doing something! I understand that I should not be able to hear 20kHz at all, so i'm probably hearing something else; harmonics or noise; dunno. Certainly I cannot hear that high when doing normal frequency tests, nor does the filter in normal use have any noticeable effect.
The effects of the filters extend past the frequencies shown in that diagram; all filters differ at higher frequencies.
Is it just me or is there zero audible differences between the filters?
When I use filter 1, I notice the whole tempo of the music literally sounds slightly faster... not sure if that’s normal or not.
I respectfully disagree. Filter 1 for sure is the loudest filter setting with the largest emphasis on the midrange that’s for sure. To sharp/fast and has little to no meat on the bones so to speak. However it does have the largest bones out of all the filters, if that analogy makes sense (it does to me, but I could be out there). I feel filter 3 is better than filter 1 in terms of listening for enjoyment (not for testing or measuring) in all cases, my opinion of course. I always find myself switching between filter 4, 5, and 6. I notice some songs I can definitely tell that filter 5 helps it sound more musical due to the more linear timing/transient response but some other songs would sound almost “too slow” or something and then it takes away from the experience because it sounds as if things are taking just a hair too long, but this could be because I’ve always heard the song through other DACs which I believe predominantly use a faster/sharper filter. I find filter 6 to be a compromise between filter 5 (super slow) and filter 3 (fast).I've seen people say filter 1 is ideal. Why is this?
I’ve done blind tests and can easily choose filter 5 versus filter 1 or 3 every time. That’s because to me and my system the difference between the super slow and the fast filters are night and day, at least when listening to the song I mentioned aboveIt doesn't sound normal. At best the filters are making small changes to frequencies most people can't hear; to make the music sound faster they would additionally have to increase the speed the audio was being played back. Normally I'd suggest you do a blind test but on this occasion all you need is a stopwatch.
Interesting, I'll try filter 5 for some time. Thanks!I’ve done blind tests and can easily choose filter 5 versus filter 1 or 3 every time. That’s because to me and my system the difference between the super slow and the fast filters are night and day, at least when listening to the song I mentioned above
yeah there's next to no chance i can tell these apart in a blind test.
I just stuck with sharp 1 because it's supposedly the bestfilter 3 just adds a thickening type effect to the bass. Hence the term “short delay.” The best way i can describe it is it adds a short delay of reverb/echo/thickening of I believe all the frequencies. However I can only truly consistently identify and notice it with mid to low bass type beats and sounds. Filter 4 does the same thing but it’s based off the slower filter 2. Filter 5 does not have this effect, which also if you look at the name of the filter, it doesn’t have “short delay” written in its title.
I've been trying Filter 5 and it seems to lessen bass "boominess" to some extent. I am running a SONY amp that has bass enhancement, which I like to keep turned on but with some music it does overcompensate. Filter 5 appears to help with that but I need to do more testing.I just stuck with sharp 1 because it's supposedly the best
got everything running now, my Braun turntable is working well after some compatibility issues & running it through the Puffin to E30 via Toslink sounds sweet, L30 goes straight into the Quad 450 and I'm happy out....until I have the cash for RME ADI DAC but that'll take a while