Do you mean with digital out, or analogue out of the streamer?Can anyone explain this logically? I am talking about streamer only....
Thank you for your time and comments.
Can anyone explain this logically? I am talking about streamer only....
Thank you for your time and comments.
When those reviews include controlled listening tests, or measurements that show significant differences at a DAC output you can take them seriously, if they don't include those things ignore them, they are the ravings of deluded minds.digital or coax, I keep seeing reviews that streamers sound better than others SQ wise, than lower priced/tier units ...this makes no sense to me.
digital or coax, I keep seeing reviews that streamers sound better than others SQ wise, than lower priced/tier units ...this makes no sense to me.
bluetooth excluded, Ethernet/wifi only
Sadly they may not all be competently designed. Your average cheap android-based streamer will resample everything, and won't be using the best available settings to do it, because that's what stock android audio does.Any competently designed streamer will be totally transparent, you just have to pick your preferred UI/features.
Do you have references that expand on and document these two concerns? Are you saying that the streamers from McIntosh, Denon, Sonos etc are sending formats of different quality to the DAC even when they are all streaming from the same source, Tidal for example?Sadly they may not all be competently designed. Your average cheap android-based streamer will resample everything, and won't be using the best available settings to do it, because that's what stock android audio does.
The other major assumption is that they'll all be streaming the same source data, which isn't a given. Various contractual and technical reasons may mean one streamer may have access to higher quality source formats than others. Don't have the right level of DRM approval? You get a lower quality format in your stream.
As long as the input is the same as the compared streamer and both are bit-perfect.No difference whatsoever if the output is digital
Typically not because few, if any, Internet music streaming sources provide multichannel source material. I can stream the few (~2 dozen) multichannel albums offered by Qobuz. Mostly, I stream my own multichannel files.Is multichannel audio supported, and if so, are both lossy (DD, DTS) and lossless (PCM) audio data supported?
Explain to me like I'm five, please. With streaming, the streamer is connected to some audio source, and the audio signal is send over the user's home network, and finally input to the AVR via either its built-in Wifi receiver or Ethernet port, yes?
Check the android audio subsystem docs to see how it works. A limited number of apps like USB Audio Player Pro use more direct access to usb audio devices to avoid the usual resampling issues. That page also talks about the Tidal app doing sample rate conversion on Android. You'll find similar discussions about the various audio subsystems on Windows, PulseAudio on linux etc.Do you have references that expand on and document these two concerns? Are you saying that the streamers from McIntosh, Denon, Sonos etc are sending formats of different quality to the DAC even when they are all streaming from the same source, Tidal for example?
Check the android audio subsystem docs to see how it works. A limited number of apps like USB Audio Player Pro use more direct access to usb audio devices to avoid the usual resampling issues. That page also talks about the Tidal app doing sample rate conversion on Android. You'll find similar discussions about the various audio subsystems on Windows, PulseAudio on linux etc.
For the different streamed formats see the threads here about Amazon Music HD, or the post at AS covering experience with different sample rates and bit depths on different platforms, including audio devices. I've seen similar discussions about Tidal but didn't take so much notice as it's not a platform I was considering. Widevine security levels are commonly used in deciding quality of video stream, and I've seen speculation that it might be behind some of the variation in audio streams too.
On this basis it's not safe to assume different devices will be receiving the same data, or passing it on to the DAC unaltered, without testing.
Amazon Music uses Widevine, so it's quite possible other services do too.Widevine security levels are commonly used in deciding quality of video stream, and I've seen speculation that it might be behind some of the variation in audio streams too.
A streamer in this scenario is what connects to the user's home network and outputs a digital signal containing audio. In your example the streamer is built into the AVR.
As long as the input is the same as the compared streamer and both are bit-perfect.
Typically not because few, if any, Internet music streaming sources provide multichannel source material. I can stream the few (~2 dozen) multichannel albums offered by Qobuz. Mostly, I stream my own multichannel files.
I don't understand why android has this problem. I guess Google can't afford to design audio on their os correctly?Check the android audio subsystem docs to see how it works. A limited number of apps like USB Audio Player Pro use more direct access to usb audio devices to avoid the usual resampling issues. That page also talks about the Tidal app doing sample rate conversion on Android. You'll find similar discussions about the various audio subsystems on Windows, PulseAudio on linux etc.
For the different streamed formats see the threads here about Amazon Music HD, or the post at AS covering experience with different sample rates and bit depths on different platforms, including audio devices. I've seen similar discussions about Tidal but didn't take so much notice as it's not a platform I was considering. Widevine security levels are commonly used in deciding quality of video stream, and I've seen speculation that it might be behind some of the variation in audio streams too.
On this basis it's not safe to assume different devices will be receiving the same data, or passing it on to the DAC unaltered, without testing.