Best to go with digital usb to DAC. If DAC has volume control then to pure power. You should be able to find a good used power amp at a reasonable price.
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Also look at Dada in Holland - they specialise in Quad restorations and upgrades...
Here's another argument in favour of a European Purify build. You will never need a better amp. You will never need to sell it.
Resale value becomes irrelevant.
Resale value becomes irrelevant.
A counter argument:
An amp like the classic Quad's 405/606/707/909 - can easily and simply be repaired, restored, refurbished - relatively inexpensively - a Purify/Hypex/ICE based amp, is realistically non-repairable, repairs are acheived by replacing the entire amp module! - that makes the repair almost the same cost as a new amp - they are effectively a throw-away item - I am not convinced of their long term credibility...
Having said that, my Crown class-D's have been running for circa 15 years now.... but once something fails on these, I know they will be boat anchors, destined for landfill.
My 35 year old Quad 606's, one of them needed a refurb.... which it received around 15 years ago ( a couple of years before I bought the Crowns) for a couple of hundred $ ...
Some amps exist within an environment of maintainability and repairability, with keen specialists all over the world happy to refurb them when needed. Others require specialist restorers to keep them going longer term, and those restorations cost more than a new current technology replacement... labors of love, with little financial logic to them.
The Class-D amps are in the latter category, the Quad amps are in the former category (along with a handful of other brands).
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Is for 2000 euro budget still the best option i can get with good resale value denon again 3700h or ?
Since i am struggling with availability and shipping for it...
Does something else comes to your mind?
Since i am struggling with availability and shipping for it...
Does something else comes to your mind?
Stock of 3700H has become scarce as they have already announced the new X3800 - what is out there in the shops is the last of the 3700's - the new 3800's should be arriving in the next 2 to 3 months I expect...
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So what i can do wait 3 months without music on my speakers?
what more things will 3800 series will have any idea? will it be same price? where i can check specs for 3800 series? Also if i go with analog amp will i receive/get better sound quality from my speakers or?
are you sure usb dac will be able to power up 180w per channel speakers stereo?
any sugguestion models etcs
For around 2000$ -2100$ i can get used marantz latest model model 30 here are the specs
is this junk any good? or something else may be you can tell me
| Power Output (8 / 4 Ohm RMS) | 100 W / 200 W |
| Frequency Response | 5 Hz
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| Total Harmonic Distortion | 0.005% |
| Damping Factor | 500 |
| Input Sensitivity: MM | 2.3 mV / 39 kohm |
| Input Sensitivity: MC | 250 |
| Signal to Noise Ratio: MM / MC | 88 / 75 dB |
| Input Sensitivity: High level | 220 mV / 13 kohm |
| Input Sensitivity: Balanced High level |
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| Signal to Noise Ratio: High level | 107 dB(2V input/Rated output) |
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Don't know what is available in your region.
The new Denon's will have the option of installing Dirac (at additional cost), the specifications for both the new Denon's and the new Marantz models have both been published now.
Based on measurements - the Denons / Marantz and the Onkyo's / Integra / Pioneer are all pretty decent in terms of preamp, DAC, DSP - their amps are OK running easy to run efficient speakers - but not so great if the speakers are low efficiency, and more importantly, low impedance, requiring a lot of current.
Best alternative (and what a lot of people do), is to us the AVR to run surround and height speakers, but use it as a prepro with external power amps on the Front L/R, and possibly the C too. (I run an Integra DRX 3.4, with external amps powering L/C/R)
You would not be running pure analogue - one of the advantages of using an AVR for stereo music, is that the Room/Speaker EQ allows you to resolve some issues that are otherwise very difficult to overcome (without custom building the entire listening room!)
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The Ruby integratedJunk , i have enough junk i need high end now reference class
to be honest with you all
i really like moranz reference class, forgot the model number, but i think its a little bit out of my budget
do they have some cheaper model closer to my budget,PM-10 Amplifier - Finely-Tuned with 100W per Ch. | Marantz™
The Marantz™ PM-10 integrated amplifier provides 100W of power per channel and is extensively tuned by our engineers to drive exceptional performance.www.marantz.com
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I personally Doesnt care if its avr i will preffer dedicated speaker stereo 2 channel amp for my set up less space and less options to brake
i will sale my naim muso 2 today wish me luck and i need to buy something with good resale value i can increase my budget up to 2000 euro usd what i should buy good resale value new or used. How about usb dac can this power on my speakers ? at 180w and 8 ohm
Depending on the USB DAC and its output -and level controls
Many DAC's effectively have a built in preamp - and can drive power amps directly - for a very simple and "pure" stereo setup!
Combine such a USB DAC with a refurbished Quad 606 (around 135W@8ohm) - or other similar power amp, and you have a very nice minimalist system
Make sure you match the power amp input to your DAC's output... 1st gen Quad 606 were 500mV for full rated power out, 606mkII were 700mV, standard for consumer components is usually 1V, and for professional amps 1.4V - but some power amps require 2V or even up to 4V for full rated power out...
So this should be checked! - I never had an issue with the 500mV 606, but when it went in for refurbish, I had it upgraded to mkII status, and dropped the sensitivity to 700mV - my pre/AVR can drive up to 3.5V out cleanly... so raising the input sensitivity on the power amp made no discernible difference - but it may have reduced the noise floor marginally....
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The buyer of my muso today
denied to buy it, for 1000$
so i am very sad today..
so i am still waiting for some models of amps etcs. so i can get the best for my high end new kef r3
5 years warranty
I think krell and mark levinson and accuphase already lost their value and even if they are old
their value wont go further down what do you think or something else which can hold value used?
i have found 3 new places where i can find denon if they agree to ship to me so i emailed them today.
I will update everyone if the deal happens, what cables i should get. is the bi amp gimmick or worth it should i buy separate amp?
denied to buy it, for 1000$
so i am very sad today..
so i am still waiting for some models of amps etcs. so i can get the best for my high end new kef r3
5 years warranty
I think krell and mark levinson and accuphase already lost their value and even if they are old
their value wont go further down what do you think or something else which can hold value used?
i have found 3 new places where i can find denon if they agree to ship to me so i emailed them today.
I will update everyone if the deal happens, what cables i should get. is the bi amp gimmick or worth it should i buy separate amp?
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I have found these new amps, are they any good ?
should i consider them cheaper than denon 2 times,
www.cyrusaudio.com
www.cyrusaudio.com
are these reliable with good resale value etcs?
Any suggestions are welcomed. they also have streaming option for one hd at least i see
Cyrus ONE Cyrus 3rd generation Hybrid Class D amplifier – outputs 2 x 100W (into 8 Ω at 0.1% THD+N)
Cyrus ONE HD Cyrus 4th generation Hybrid Class D amplifier – outputs 2 x 100W (into 8 Ω at 0.1% THD+N)
should i consider them cheaper than denon 2 times,
The Cyrus ONE is a versatile Powerful amplifier Hi-Fi system
Award-winning 100wpc Integrated powerful amplifier with bluetooth, aptX and a built-in phono stage and dedicated headphone amplifier.
www.cyrusaudio.com
Cyrus ONE HD - High Resolution integrated amplifier
The Cyrus ONE HD is a High-resolution stereo integrated amplifier ideal for use with your TV, Games console, laptop or desktop PCs
www.cyrusaudio.com
are these reliable with good resale value etcs?
Any suggestions are welcomed. they also have streaming option for one hd at least i see
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How much worse is their sinad compared to my favourite Denon?
I have not seen independent testing.
Manufacturer specs are 0.1% thd at rated 100w power... that is Sinad = 60
But it might do better at 5W ...
The brand is reputable, and a number of very well regarded amps have similar thd specs... so it is hard to tell.
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Denon is sinad is 101w, and due tho the fact that i want to play my speakers as loud as possible i think denon is better option
denon also have thd
THD: 0.08%, 2 ch. driven which is better, i will use it in 2 channels, so i will spend more to get the denon for now.
i already have junk receiver/amplifier which i can use always my old 90s rca victor jvc. it have 70w rms to power speakers.
yes they doesnt write number and specs if they are junk.
This review doesn't seem optimistic - those are quite high THD figures, and well above manufacturer specs:
alpha-audio.net
Multitest - The best amplifier for 1000 Euro - 2022 edition
What a test. Eight integrated amplifiers in the price range around 1000 euros. We are not going to explain again what they do. You can read that.
alpha-audio.net
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So they lie to people and provide bogus fake specs,This review doesn't seem optimistic - those are quite high THD figures, and well above manufacturer specs:
Multitest - The best amplifier for 1000 Euro - 2022 edition
What a test. Eight integrated amplifiers in the price range around 1000 euros. We are not going to explain again what they do. You can read that.
Is denon reliable, with real specs of they are with bogus specs as well regarding 2 channels? Denon is class d junky class
Amir has tested some of the AVR's - and the Denon's do rate very well - don't know how well the measurements compare to the claimed specs ... look in the Review index.
The Denon's were on my short list, but the Integra was about 30% cheaper here in Australia, and I wanted to try Dirac rather than give Audyssey another go after 15 years of disappointment with it. (and I have been very happy with Dirac!)
