I think Head-Fi staff were phased not the existing customers.
A lot of ASR people jumped in their threads that caused mods to get "phased" - it was entertaining while it lasted !
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Chord DAVE Review (DAC & HP Amp)
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A lot of ASR people jumped in their threads that caused mods to get "phased" - it was entertaining while it lasted !
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I don't know how you would have that kind of insight. A number of posts put Rob on spot to explain. This has rarely if ever happened there regarding site sponsors.
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Oh really? I'm going to have to go look for the thread. Although I'm pretty sure my account is still banned
Well yeah, it's obviously not good for marketing?
My comment was about customers that are loyal to Chord marketing and yours was about management.
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I misread. Thought you were saying they might have sold 150k Dave!
I agree, nothing said here will deter many from looking at Chord products.
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Did you cross reference the users asking those questions? They didn’t seem to be from regular HeadFi posters. Just saying…
There were ASR people jumping in there. No question about that.
Some were cross posting here in this thread too with same username !
Maybe mods deleted some posts before this:
Jimster480
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100,000 mojos is still a ton of money. It is amazing the amount of money some people have made essentially deceiving others.
Don't ever look up politicians
With this product you are buying "prestige". Does it perform the best? No. Does the slightly worse than the very best performance impact on music? Doesn't really seem to. Does it cost a bundle? Yes, it does.
This product is a statement, it says (if only to oneself) that "I have arrived". Perhaps in a similar way a superyacht is the mark of someone who is not just wealthy, but very wealthy, stratospherically wealthy even.
The product is only flawed if you look for the best measurements, but they aren't the be all and end all, at least beyond this place. Tube amps are a good example!
This is not apologetics, I'm just saying that luxury products are a world unto themselves. Look at all the, to my mind largely ugly, watches that wealthy people spend tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on. Do they perform any better than a Casio, are they really more aesthetically pleasing than something 100th the cost?
They are statement pieces, to others and to yourself. Why? Because they can.
This product is a statement, it says (if only to oneself) that "I have arrived". Perhaps in a similar way a superyacht is the mark of someone who is not just wealthy, but very wealthy, stratospherically wealthy even.
The product is only flawed if you look for the best measurements, but they aren't the be all and end all, at least beyond this place. Tube amps are a good example!
This is not apologetics, I'm just saying that luxury products are a world unto themselves. Look at all the, to my mind largely ugly, watches that wealthy people spend tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on. Do they perform any better than a Casio, are they really more aesthetically pleasing than something 100th the cost?
They are statement pieces, to others and to yourself. Why? Because they can.
Jimster480
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Oh yeah this guy is one of the most pathetic losers I ever met on the internet. I remember all of his ridiculous posts always to cover up whatever is going on against any manufacturer.
Anything to keep the scam alive.
Jimster480
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I'm well aware about those LOL
If Rob got $50 per Mojo sold (his name is on every one sold) do the math, on just Mojos sold.
Why would he/Chord need to change their ways. Only if sales get hit.
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This is not the same thing like a super yacht or a supercar. This is just overpriced audio equipment that is basically used to take advantage of people by dealers. Telling them that they need to spend a certain amount of money on their DAC because the rest of their equipment is also expensive.
You don't show these things off to other people usually because the reality is that no one cares. This is especially true in this Hobby today. Where most people listen to Bluetooth headphones and don't really care about your Hi-Fi stuff at all
Jimster480
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Of course they don't need to change their ways. And of course they don't care.
Hopefully enough of the waves go out that do cause sales to be hit and we see them go back to the drawing board just like what happened with schiit.
I was squelched on head by years ago over the same type of thing. The administrators came and locked the threads and deleted people's posts and even edited the contents of people's posts in order for them to keep up the narrative.
When I posted screenshots of them editing posts they just deleted the screenshots and warned my account and sent me private messages. This is how it goes over there
In the field of sound, we have progressed to a stage where the teamwork of multiple knowledge engineers and a real design shift of the DAC chip is needed. The companies ESS and AKM are advancing it professionally, not on the basis of some dubious solutions. Using chip companies has always proven to be the best solution. I am personally looking forward to the ESS 9039PRO and its counterpart AK4499EX. Surely the TOPPING is already being prepared. Amir too....AP ready....
I dunno, isn't a superyacht just an overpriced yacht, it is all relative isn't it. If your only concern is measurements (at least the measurements Amir does), there is better, but rarely is that the only concern, even for people here.
Products like this are not just a show of wealth, but as affirmation of confidence in yourself. They are saying I can afford (and will always be able to afford) said luxury product, the value/cost ratio is relatively immaterial.
Never underestimate human psychology. I doubt many that buy these products will be particularly phased by this review.
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Super Yachts are larger yachts. They have more features and are able to accommodate more people. If you want to have giant parties on Yachts then you must have a super yacht. A DAC is one of the only things where you just spend more money only to spend more money because you get absolutely nothing for it.
If wasting $14,000 to get sub $100 performance just is for you to have confidence in yourself then I really feel bad for you. I believe that most of the people who bought these products will probably be upset when they find out that it performs worse than a $100 product.
Part of this is all about how it sounds and the amazing engineering that goes into it. They are being sold a luxury item that is supposed to be better than everybody else's stuff which is indeed a nice special item to have.
But when instead of the item being better it is actually worse than what everyone else has... you actually just look like a fool.
It would be as if a Lamborghini comes with 120 horsepower. Because people told you that it was fast and these Engineers built it by hand. They told you it has 800 horsepower and that nothing will touch it. But then you got passed by a Corolla on the street and no matter what you did he would just pull away from you. You would undoubtedly feel like a fool
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this is capatalism, people make money over and above what it costs them to make
they add some bling and people choose it
I am not sure what the problem is
many many manufacturers overhype their equipment , and people buy it on that basis , there is a legal right to recourse should there be true misrepresentation and malicious intent
at the end of the day Rob Watts is a consultant to chord, not the manufacturer , how he is paid by them I don’t know, do you ?
whether it’s per unit fee, a retainer or a flat fee I have no idea do you ?
he designed a product, they made it, it sold , end of story
whether ASR says it measures well or not is actually irrelevant in commercial enterprise and ah 7 years too late as it was released way back when , this ship has long long sailed , Ferrari 308 are imho a heap of junk, people still bought them because of the name and the looks it is a commercial enterprise and people are still re-buying them go figure ?
I wish people would stop claiming that people buy these crazy money DACs for status.
I know a fair few people who own them. To a man they bought them solely because they genuinely believe they deliver better sound quality.
If you point to the measurements and blind testing they will just say that measurements don't show everything and that blind testing is flawed.
Like the bloke in the video linked to above where he interviews Rob Watts; when it comes to Hi-Fi for some reason they have a blind spot. They do not seem able to distinguish between an independent expert and a salesman.
I know a fair few people who own them. To a man they bought them solely because they genuinely believe they deliver better sound quality.
If you point to the measurements and blind testing they will just say that measurements don't show everything and that blind testing is flawed.
Like the bloke in the video linked to above where he interviews Rob Watts; when it comes to Hi-Fi for some reason they have a blind spot. They do not seem able to distinguish between an independent expert and a salesman.
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